Rate my build.
The Titan
I'm sure there are a lot of threads about this here and where, but let's make a new one.
My build as a A/N
Consists of.
Unsuspecting Strike
Wild Strike
Death Blossom
Twisting fangs
Locust's fury
Critical Agility
Shadow Refuge
Critical Eye.
Now, My question really is to rate it, I'm using Everthorn's Chaks.
I've been blitzing through everything, I'm normally only taken 2-3 healers with me (2 Hero 1 Hench) and done every mission.
As I go into a battle I activate Locust's fury Critical agility and Critical eye, Energy is never a problem, but I'm relying heavily on these enchantment for this build.
The damage output is supreme, and can output over 200 damage in under 2-3 seconds.(Edit: This is from just attacking, not using any attack skills).
God damm, these late nights, I'm actually a A/N But I only use my secondary skills for pvp, this build is focused for PVE.
My build as a A/N
Consists of.
Unsuspecting Strike
Wild Strike
Death Blossom
Twisting fangs
Locust's fury
Critical Agility
Shadow Refuge
Critical Eye.
Now, My question really is to rate it, I'm using Everthorn's Chaks.
I've been blitzing through everything, I'm normally only taken 2-3 healers with me (2 Hero 1 Hench) and done every mission.
As I go into a battle I activate Locust's fury Critical agility and Critical eye, Energy is never a problem, but I'm relying heavily on these enchantment for this build.
The damage output is supreme, and can output over 200 damage in under 2-3 seconds.(Edit: This is from just attacking, not using any attack skills).
God damm, these late nights, I'm actually a A/N But I only use my secondary skills for pvp, this build is focused for PVE.
Shogunshen
Locust's Fury only works on auto-attacks, so to be spamming your combo is to waste its function entirely. Other than that, Golden Fang Strike is better than Wild Strike and Shadow Refuge looks thrown in there; what are your atts? They probably disallow much milking of SR, so to speak. Overall a poor build that could be significantly optimized.
Coloneh
i give it a 2
sorry
unsuspecting sucks
2 dual attacks?
and no rez
meh
sorry
unsuspecting sucks
2 dual attacks?
and no rez
meh
The Titan
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Originally Posted by Shogunshen
Shadow refuge is thrown in there as I've not had much time as of late to stick a better one in.
I'm not a fan of Golden fang and have used it before, I'm much more of a fan of Wild strike as it cannot be blocked and removes any stance.
Locust's fury combined with Critical agility and Critical eye is very fast at gaining my energy back.
I attack 1-2 every second without Locust's fury, With it I'm also getting a 60% chance to attack 3-4 times every second if none of these are a crit I get 4 energy back, if one of them crits I get 5, now on average each of these hits is about 15-20, depending on the crit/Armor type of the target, I feel this is a very good idea combining all 3 skills into 1 single energy feedback.
So when I do actually use my combo's to attack, I'll open up with unsuspecting strike, wait about 1-2 seconds get some energy back get in with a Wild strike then depending on the amount of targets around, and what target type, I'll use death blossom, or again wait 1-2 seconds and use Twisting fangs.
12 Dagger, 9 Shadow arts, 13 Critical strikes.
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
i give it a 2
sorry unsuspecting sucks 2 dual attacks? and no rez meh Read my post again, I've made a slight error there. Unsuspecting is actually amazing when I open up on a target, having 3 monks behind me just healing me won't get to attack much so It's a great opener, although I have thought about changing it to Golden fox strike. 2 Dual attacks is ideal, Death blossom for larger groups so I can hit multiple foes at a time, and Twisting fangs for a bleed and a deep wound, ideal for bosses or when I'm in a hurry. And I'm in no need for a rez with 3 monks. __________________________________ I'm heading to bed now, If anyone actually does actually get a chance, I'd really suggest giving this build a go and then rate it, rather then look at it and think It's rubbish. mrmango
Monks shouldn't bring res, people should bring res signets.
Locust's fury isn't useful here, use something better. Deep wound wins, that's why the fang strike owns. And still have 2 dual attacks. Cherng Butter
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Originally Posted by The Titan
The damage output is supreme, and can output over 200 damage in under 2-3 seconds.(Edit: This is from just attacking, not using any attack skills).
What? How do you get 200 damage from autoattacking?
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by Cherng Butter
What? How do you get 200 damage from autoattacking?
you just haveto make up numbers, its pretty easy. like this:
"mending gives me almost 742 health every 4 seconds" now you try Bobby2
40AL monsters?
The Titan
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Originally Posted by mrmango
Locust's fury isn't useful here, use something better. Deep wound wins, that's why the fang strike owns. And still have 2 dual attacks. |
Quote: Originally Posted by Cherng Butter What? How do you get 200 damage from autoattacking? Imagine this, I could attack let's say, a level 20 monks of any race, I crit him for let's say about 30, and then again for another 30, and then with my offhand the same, that's already 120 in about 1 second, I don't make these numbers up.
And if you aren't sure about how that could actually work, Just try making one with that build and see what happens.
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Thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE Criticism, I'll have a go at changing my Lead attack and locusts fury to Moebius and see how it goes, and I'll get back to you.
Originally Posted by Coloneh
you just haveto make up numbers, its pretty easy. like this:
"mending gives me almost 742 health every 4 seconds" now you try All I've seen you do this thread is troll like you have no purpose in this world, so I've gone ahead and just reported you as all you are doing is just trolling a thread. Cebe
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Originally Posted by Shogunshen
Locust's Fury only works on auto-attacks, so to be spamming your combo is to waste its function entirely.
Yea, only use I've found for Locust's Fury is on heroes, since heroes hate using attack skills. I'd definitely drop that in favour of another elite.
BlackSephir
Rating, as usual, Moebius Spammer is still better.
Ares Ainia
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Originally Posted by The Titan
Imagine this, I could attack let's say, a level 20 monks of any race, I crit him for let's say about 30, and then again for another 30, and then with my offhand the same, that's already 120 in about 1 second, I don't make these numbers up.
Thought you said auto-attack?
And report him?! He's merely putting it in clearer words for other people, I really doubt you can rack up 200dmg just by auto attacking, unless you are against like AL40 The Titan
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Originally Posted by Ares Ainia
Thought you said auto-attack?
And report him?! He's merely putting it in clearer words for other people, I really doubt you can rack up 200dmg just by auto attacking, unless you are against like AL40 I ment offhand auto attack. And no he's just sarcasticly trolling, I'd really like more people to try this build then rate it. The numbers I'm saying aren't just made up. Ares Ainia
Nvm, i get you i think
The Titan
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Originally Posted by Ares Ainia
Nvm, i get you i think
Go get a pair of daggers with -1 Energy regen +1 On hit. Import that build and give it a go. Activate Agillity, Eye, and locust, then attack something. Ares Ainia
Wll do, but still don't see me getting 200dmg in 2-3 seconds just from auto attack mode.
Also, NEVER ask people to rate your build without expecting some flame, it never happens, if you can't deal with some peoples way of critising your build, don't post it The Titan
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Originally Posted by Ares Ainia
Wll do, but still don't see me getting 200dmg in 2-3 seconds just from auto attack mode.
Also, NEVER ask people to rate your build without expecting some flame, it never happens, if you can't deal with some peoples way of critising your build, don't post it I can deal with it I'm just not a fan of people who put in Sarcastic comments and not really help at all, and I'll also explain my build more promptly from now on. Yoroi Toshi S2
I tried the build and did the math just to make sure, and Titan is not too far off on the 200dmg in 2-3 seconds. On a 60 armor level target the most I was getting was 150 +-5 just from auto attacking, this is if every attack is a critical and you get dual attacks every time. This is with Locust's Fury, Critical Eye and Critical Agility. Add in a Vampiric Weapon and you get another 13 total damage, 173 total. So if you manage to get more than that then I am wondering how. I did the testing in the training area at the temple of balthazar. Were there any other buffs that you were using to increase damage?
The Titan
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Originally Posted by Yoroi Toshi S2
I tried the build and did the math just to make sure, and Titan is not too far off on the 200dmg in 2-3 seconds. On a 60 armor level target the most I was getting was 150 +-5 just from auto attacking, this is if every attack is a critical and you get dual attacks every time. This is with Locust's Fury, Critical Eye and Critical Agility. Add in a Vampiric Weapon and you get another 13 total damage, 173 total. So if you manage to get more than that then I am wondering how. I did the testing in the training area at the temple of balthazar. Were there any other buffs that you were using to increase damage?
Customized weps.
I think one of my heroes has cracked armor so that might help as well. Yoroi Toshi S2
That would do it, I don't customise my weapons. I will go home and do that and add in cracked armor, but just doing rough calculations in my head I know it will push it over the 200dmg mark. Thanks for the clerification.
Turtle222
i wonder if conjure x works well with this build due to the extremely high attack speed
The Titan
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Originally Posted by Yoroi Toshi S2
That would do it, I don't customise my weapons. I will go home and do that and add in cracked armor, but just doing rough calculations in my head I know it will push it over the 200dmg mark. Thanks for the clerification.
It's also good when using high energy skills as you get a lot of energy back fast
Gambit Shinobi
I use Locust for just messing around or when fighting lower AL mobs. It is great fun when you boost your Crit. and use Agility. Even more fun with a vamp. weapon (just remember to switch out when not in battle).
However, I almost never use Locust when I'm doing harder missions and dungeons. Moebius spam is much better for killing large groups (even bosses) quickly and efficiently. Oh... but I do use Locust to solo Shiro in Factions though, both in NM and HM. I don't really like Unsuspecting Strike. Sure, it was nice as a newbie Sin, but it's recast time is too high for my liking. I know you say you use it to kill bosses and what not, but still, it's not as effective as say Jagged Strike. Oh, and don't mind idiot trolls like Coloneh... people like him are only here to try and piss others off and to derail threads, offering nothing to discussions. So just ignore him and others like him. Alex the Great
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Originally Posted by The Titan
The damage output is supreme, and can output over 200 damage in under 2-3 seconds.(Edit: This is from just attacking, not using any attack skills).
under 2-3 seconds!!!! thats a lie, becuase with locusts fury and crit agility, in 2 seconds ou could hit max 4 times.......50 damage a shot with daggers?
3 seconds and 6 shots, 33.333333 damage per shot, plausible if you crit every time i guess...... these both are with double striking every time. autoing can't do that much unless you are buffed a lot, which your build soen't do. daggers are 7-17 damage, then you factor in AL and weapon mastery. o, and you have locusts fury with no on-hit damage buffs, not good 3/10 score Alex the Great
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Originally Posted by Yoroi Toshi S2
I tried the build and did the math just to make sure, and Titan is not too far off on the 200dmg in 2-3 seconds. On a 60 armor level target the most I was getting was 150 +-5 just from auto attacking, this is if every attack is a critical and you get dual attacks every time. This is with Locust's Fury, Critical Eye and Critical Agility. Add in a Vampiric Weapon and you get another 13 total damage, 173 total. So if you manage to get
double post sorry, but i just saw this and i had to say something.
sure, if you use vampric on a 60 Al target, there is a CHANCE you might get CLOSE to 200 damage, but in guild wars, the only areas that matter have mobs of over lvl 20, with between 60- 120 armour against physical. lets say you are fighting lvl 24 afflicted, if you hit for 200 damage on the 60Al target in 3 seconds, you would hit for around 109 damage, which in optimal conditions could kill the afflicted in about 13.5 seconds.....to slow. so maybe your build works up to the lvl 20 areas, but anything works there so don't feel special, DB spam murders all in sin-pve. calculations done assuming that..... -you hit 200 damage to the 60AL target in 3 seconds -lvl 24 afflicted warrior has 110 AL against physical (out of factions guide), and 500 health. ofc, you couldn't quite get up to 200 damage on the 60AL, and you have no armour ignoring damage from attacks. Great e-managment though!!! The Titan
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Originally Posted by Gambit Shinobi
However, I almost never use Locust when I'm doing harder missions and dungeons. Moebius spam is much better for killing large groups (even bosses) quickly and efficiently. Oh... but I do use Locust to solo Shiro in Factions though, both in NM and HM. I don't really like Unsuspecting Strike. Sure, it was nice as a newbie Sin, but it's recast time is too high for my liking. I know you say you use it to kill bosses and what not, but still, it's not as effective as say Jagged Strike. Oh, and don't mind idiot trolls like Coloneh... people like him are only here to try and piss others off and to derail threads, offering nothing to discussions. So just ignore him and others like him. |
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3 seconds and 6 shots, 33.333333 damage per shot, plausible if you crit every time i guess......
these both are with double striking every time.
autoing can't do that much unless you are buffed a lot, which your build soen't do. daggers are 7-17 damage, then you factor in AL and weapon mastery.
o, and you have locusts fury with no on-hit damage buffs, not good
3/10 score Un-constructive criticism and I'm not going to give you much of my time, On hit damage buffs? Oh yes they would last long if I'm attack 4 times in 2 seconds, didn't really think that through did you?
Maybe 2-3 seconds was a tiny bit inaccurate but not by far, Have you ever used Cracked armor with Customized weps? Oh and, I also had soul barbs on the Target, I forgot my necro had them aswell.
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Originally Posted by Alex the Great
double post sorry, but i just saw this and i had to say something.
sure, if you use vampric on a 60 Al target, there is a CHANCE you might get CLOSE to 200 damage, but in guild wars, the only areas that matter have mobs of over lvl 20, with between 60- 120 armour against physical. lets say you are fighting lvl 24 afflicted, if you hit for 200 damage on the 60Al target in 3 seconds, you would hit for around 109 damage, which in optimal conditions could kill the afflicted in about 13.5 seconds.....to slow. so maybe your build works up to the lvl 20 areas, but anything works there so don't feel special, DB spam murders all in sin-pve. calculations done assuming that..... -you hit 200 damage to the 60AL target in 3 seconds -lvl 24 afflicted warrior has 110 AL against physical (out of factions guide), and 500 health. ofc, you couldn't quite get up to 200 damage on the 60AL, and you have no armour ignoring damage from attacks. Great e-managment though!!! Hopefully one day people will actually go and try out this build, then rate it. Rather then read guides and just think they are right. fireflyry
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Originally Posted by mrmango
Monks shouldn't bring res, people should bring res signets.
lol
As for the build Unsuspecting Strike is FTL in PvE. 2-3/10. Mickey
Death Blossom and Moebius still own a little more than this.
Depending on the amount of enemies nearby, you can deal well over 200 with one DB, it's like, 90 per enemy, so if it's more than 2 enemies, Moebius is better than this build. Coloneh
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Originally Posted by The Titan
All I've seen you do this thread is troll like you have no purpose in this world, so I've gone ahead and just reported you as all you are doing is just trolling a thread.
good luck with that.
your build stills sucks. your still wrong. im still right. fireflyry
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
good luck with that.
your build stills sucks. your still wrong. im still right. QFT Soz but he/she speaks the truth. Ares Ainia
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Originally Posted by The Titan
Maybe 2-3 seconds was a tiny bit inaccurate but not by far, Have you ever used Cracked armor with Customized weps? Oh and, I also had soul barbs on the Target, I forgot my necro had them aswell.
Rather then read guides and just think they are right. Nice of you to "accidentally" forget it in the original post then rage when people questioned it. From the OP it sounded like you were talking about by yourself.. So imo they were right to point out the faults, because you never fully told us the buffs/debuffs on you and your target.. (N) The Titan
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Originally Posted by fireflyry
As for the build Unsuspecting Strike is FTL in PvE. 2-3/10. |
And the suggestion for a replacement move is?
I replaced it with Jagged at the second.
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Depending on the amount of enemies nearby, you can deal well over 200 with one DB, it's like, 90 per enemy, so if it's more than 2 enemies, Moebius is better than this build.
I'm now using Moebius and It's working really well, Having a few energy problems every now and then but It's a fairly nice damage output
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good luck with that.
your build stills sucks.
your still wrong.
im still right. Wow, some ego you have there, I'm going to take a few seconds to think about you're opinion then totally disregard it and just report you again.
You've yet to provide 1 bit of helpful information in this entire thread.
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No matter. GFS will still hit normally if you are bereft of enchants, with normal bonus damage -----> viable lead attack.
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your build stills sucks.
your still wrong.
im still right. Wow, some ego you have there, I'm going to take a few seconds to think about you're opinion then totally disregard it and just report you again.
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You aren't cristicsing, you are just posting random crap, and just cause harassment.
Originally Posted by Ares Ainia
Nice of you to "accidentally" forget it in the original post then rage when people questioned it. From the OP it sounded like you were talking about by yourself..
So imo they were right to point out the faults, because you never fully told us the buffs/debuffs on you and your target.. (N) Yes, I'll admit my faults, here we go, I'm sorry I would have thought that most people on this board would have wanted to get the most out of there weapons, I used my own personal view to affect my OP, so now I'm admitting my faults and saying I should of said I use Customized weps + Cracked armor. Also, I'm hardly raging at people that gave Constructive cristism, I'm raging at people that gave none at all and just trolled on my thread. And no, they aren't pointing out faults, they are just trolling and saying "UNSEPECTING SUXXXXX" While giving me no advice on what to change it to. So now, really, who's in the wrong here? Coloneh
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Originally Posted by The Titan
Wow, some ego you have there, I'm going to take a few seconds to think about you're opinion then totally disregard it and just report you again.
abusing the report feature is a good way to get banned yourself. the reasons that your build is not good have been explained to you. if you cant take criticism and improve you build, good luck. you fail.
DDL
I don't really see the problem with unsuspecting: the recharge on that is tiny. It's the e-usage that's a problem, and that's only a problem when you're actually regularly doing the whole L-O-D spam.
If you're using it with moebius-assisted dual-attack spam, it's a great opener, since it helps get your target down below 50% slightly quicker. And in this case, with locust's and zealous daggers, e-management probably isn't a problem, so the e-usage is ok. However, bear in mind it IS only a one-trick pony: if you're using it on the same target more than once, you're doing it wrong: the 'non-super healthy target' bonus damage is nowhere near worth 10 energy. Also, bear in mind that it's easy to get away with almost anything when you have 3 healers on the team: sins have a tendency to tax healers a LOT if they're not careful, so you might want to put critical defenses in there. It really helps if you're doing the PvE pseudo-tanking sin playstyle. Turtle222
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Originally Posted by Gambit Shinobi
I don't really like Unsuspecting Strike. Sure, it was nice as a newbie Sin, but it's recast time is too high for my liking. I know you say you use it to kill bosses and what not, but still, it's not as effective as say Jagged Strike.
unsuspecting strike has a recharge of 2 seconds...what are you on about? i think you mean it has a high energy cost
The Titan
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
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You've yet to provide 1 bit of helpful information in this entire thread.
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Originally Posted by DDL
I don't really see the problem with unsuspecting: the recharge on that is tiny. It's the e-usage that's a problem, and that's only a problem when you're actually regularly doing the whole L-O-D spam.
If you're using it with moebius-assisted dual-attack spam, it's a great opener, since it helps get your target down below 50% slightly quicker. And in this case, with locust's and zealous daggers, e-management probably isn't a problem, so the e-usage is ok. However, bear in mind it IS only a one-trick pony: if you're using it on the same target more than once, you're doing it wrong: the 'non-super healthy target' bonus damage is nowhere near worth 10 energy. Also, bear in mind that it's easy to get away with almost anything when you have 3 healers on the team: sins have a tendency to tax healers a LOT if they're not careful, so you might want to put critical defenses in there. It really helps if you're doing the PvE pseudo-tanking sin playstyle. Make more posts like this then I'll stop reporting you. Bobby2
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Originally Posted by The Titan
I replaced it with Jagged at the second.
/snip So now, really, who's in the wrong here? @ Jagged Answer: you Try Golden Fox Strike. If you're hell-bent on using LF you might as well take advantage of it as much as possible. The Titan
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Originally Posted by Bobby2
@ Jagged
Answer: you Try Golden Fox Strike. If you're hell-bent on using LF you might as well take advantage of it as much as possible. I'm using Moebius now and since I've moved into EOTN my 3 priests aren't focusing on me anymore, so I can't be 100% sure I'll have an enchantment up at all times (Aware critical agility is an Enchantment but it might not be up at all times.) Another question: How am I in the wrong? (Thanks for Constructive criticisms) Bobby2
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Originally Posted by The Titan
Another question: How am I in the wrong? (Thanks for Constructive criticisms)
b/o Jagged Strike. Bleeding (crap degen) + no bonus damage = Teh Fail.
Oh and on Moebius-Blossom being energy intensive: [skill]critical strike[/skill] Tyla
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Quote: My build as a A/N
Consists of.
Unsuspecting Strike
Wild Strike
Death Blossom
Twisting fangs
Locust's fury
Critical Agility
Shadow Refuge
Critical Eye.
Wild strike is ftw.
Death Blossom is ftw.
TF is ftw.
Locust's Fury sucks.
Critical Agility is ftw.
Shadow Refuge is meh.
Critical Eye is meh.
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I've been blitzing through everything, I'm normally only taken 2-3 healers with me (2 Hero 1 Hench) and done every mission. It's PvE...not much of an accomplishment, and 3 healers = wtf?
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As I go into a battle I activate Locust's fury Critical agility and Critical eye, Energy is never a problem, but I'm relying heavily on these enchantment for this build.
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