Im still learning Paragon..
What would be some good skills to assist a team of Casters, im thinking mabe a Para/rit.
Any insight would be most greatly aperciated.
Thnx in Advance.
Battery Paragon for Casters
Wrath of m0o
Kahmal
if your looking for a pure battery - then you could prolly use the anthems that give energy back. Im not sure on the names lol.
there is also the elite skill that gives energy for people within earshot but you have -energy regen or something of that nature. IDK how that would work.
Im assuming this is for pve?
those skills could be used if you are meaning you want to assist the team via energy.
Paragons are generally better at buffing a team with +def and some party healing.
there is also the elite skill that gives energy for people within earshot but you have -energy regen or something of that nature. IDK how that would work.
Im assuming this is for pve?
those skills could be used if you are meaning you want to assist the team via energy.
Paragons are generally better at buffing a team with +def and some party healing.
Jaceb
Well we have some energy skills
[wiki]Energizing Finale[/wiki] - not worth it for 1 energy..
[wiki]"The Power is Yours!"[/wiki] - big drawback.
[wiki]Aria of Zeal[/wiki] - long cast, easily interrupted.
[wiki]Lyric of Zeal[/wiki] - might help smiting monks the most.
[wiki]Song of Power[/wiki] - long recharge but should be combined with
[wiki]Energizing Chorus[/wiki] to lower the cost (imo).
Providing health, defenses and damage is easier
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[wiki]Energizing Finale[/wiki] - not worth it for 1 energy..
[wiki]"The Power is Yours!"[/wiki] - big drawback.
[wiki]Aria of Zeal[/wiki] - long cast, easily interrupted.
[wiki]Lyric of Zeal[/wiki] - might help smiting monks the most.
[wiki]Song of Power[/wiki] - long recharge but should be combined with
[wiki]Energizing Chorus[/wiki] to lower the cost (imo).
Providing health, defenses and damage is easier
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Wrath of m0o
Yeah, your right..Para isnt the best class for a battery. I was thinking the shouts ending would give the casters energy, but thats only if i make my casters Paragon primarys.
Racthoh
The Power Is Yours!, Aria of Zeal, and Lyric of Zeal are going to be your best battery options. But really if your team needs more than the first two I'd be finding other people to play with.
Terraban
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Yeah, your right..Para isnt the best class for a battery. I was thinking the shouts ending would give the casters energy, but thats only if i make my casters Paragon primarys.
Um...think ya might need to reread something.
kaldak
I wouldnt totally discard energizing finale...with several paras spamming shouts it can be like an extra two pips of energy regen on whoever you put it on.
MercenaryKnight
P/r might be better imo. Serpent's quickness can help reduce recharge times. Song of power I found out, can be really good after a battle to get ele heroes or whoever to full energy.
NecroticChanter
I don't think paragons make good batteries as well. A 1hp BiP can do 1000 times better than a paragon. But if u wanna try...I would suggest putting lots of shouts in ur build that end quickly(ie Watch yourself!) and slap on Energizing Finale on the person you are "batterying". It's not that good but it is a battery.
Off topic: Since you are P/Rt, Death pact sig won't hurt . Its the fastest rezz in the game!
Off topic: Since you are P/Rt, Death pact sig won't hurt . Its the fastest rezz in the game!
Racthoh
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A 1hp BiP can do 1000 times better than a paragon.
A 1 health BiP necromancer has to be the worst possible build in the entire game. It basically teaches you to avoid combat entirely, your casters to mash their spells mindlessly because they have 10 pips of regen, and waste the rest of the slots on your skillbar. Just as bad as an obsflesh tank.
A battery paragon actually has the benefit of staying in combat and dealing damage making it not a waste of space. The Power Is Yours! may drain all of your energy but you still have a strong auto-attack and adrenaline skills you can pump out. The BiP guy, BiPs. Awesome.
A battery paragon actually has the benefit of staying in combat and dealing damage making it not a waste of space. The Power Is Yours! may drain all of your energy but you still have a strong auto-attack and adrenaline skills you can pump out. The BiP guy, BiPs. Awesome.
NecroticChanter
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A 1 health BiP necromancer has to be the worst possible build in the entire game.
Ya well, just saying it is more effective than a paragon. Besides if a paragon is being a battery, I don't think it would have time to attack or pressure the enemy. If you think BiPs suck so much, why are they need on elite missions such as The Deep and Urgoz?
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Ya well, just saying it is more effective than a paragon. Besides if a paragon is being a battery, I don't think it would have time to attack or pressure the enemy. If you think BiPs suck so much, why are they need on elite missions such as The Deep and Urgoz?
They aren't needed on elite missions. People just suck.
Arkantos
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Ya well, just saying it is more effective than a paragon. Besides if a paragon is being a battery, I don't think it would have time to attack or pressure the enemy. If you think BiPs suck so much, why are they need on elite missions such as The Deep and Urgoz?
BiPs are just like tanks, they're only needed in bad teams.
Racthoh
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I've used BiP before, on my warrior. Despite how terrible I was then I still knew to wait until the casters were low enough on energy to receive the full benefit of the spell. If I played a 1 health BiP I would bind "next party member" to one of my mouse buttons and BiP to the other alternating pushes until I hit party member 8 or 12. The hardest part of it would be counting to 12 (assuming enchanting mod on the BiPer), and starting again.
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If you think BiPs suck so much, why are they need on elite missions such as The Deep and Urgoz?
Because apparently SF eles can't kill anything before running out of energy and three monk backlines have a hard time keeping one warrior alive with a bar full of healing prayers. The last time I used any sort of battery in an elite mission it was a motivation paragon with Aria of Zeal and Lyric of Zeal. Our necromancers used Barbs and Enfeebling Blood, useful skills. xDusT II
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Ya well, just saying it is more effective than a paragon. Besides if a paragon is being a battery, I don't think it would have time to attack or pressure the enemy. If you think BiPs suck so much, why are they need on elite missions such as The Deep and Urgoz?
What kind of battery paragon are you running? The only "battery" chant I've even considered on my paragon has been Aria of Zeal and on very rare occassions "You have the Power!". I can think of much better ways to reduce energy strain on monks with a paragon.
Regardless of whether or not your Paragon is doing a decent amount of damage (Which he should be doing anyway), he's still doing more than the 1HP bip just sitting there mashing the same skill over and over so other casters can mash the same skill over and over. The only reason people take BiP's is because they want to mash the same keys over and over and no other role supports such a stupid playstyle better than the BiP does. arsie
A regular Motivation paragon with Aria of Zeal is probably the best you can do, if you're running multiple Paragons, then bring Energizing Finale (but if you've got that many Paragons, you'll have less casters :O)
Helping the monks manage their energy by not letting the party take so much damage is probably the best battery a Paragon can be  . They're on Fire! works great with triple Searing Flames. But other than that, Paragons do tend to boost physicals better than casters.
NecroticChanter
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What kind of battery paragon are you running? The only "battery" chant I've even considered on my paragon has been Aria of Zeal and on very rare occassions "You have the Power!".
What is you have the power? Aria of Zeal is definitely not as good as BiP. The aria, as i see it, just gives the caster enough energy back to compensate for the spell that was just casted so really it's no energy gain at all.
Tyla
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BiPs are just like tanks, they're only needed in bad teams.
Just another reason for bad monks to think they own.
xDusT II
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What is you have the power? Aria of Zeal is definitely not as good as BiP. The aria, as i see it, just gives the caster enough energy back to compensate for the spell that was just casted so really it's no energy gain at all.
I meant "The power is yours". Shows how much I actually use it.
The aria slows down energy consumption. I wouldn't consider it overly useful but If I have a caster based team and an empty spot that needs to be filled I may take it.
Racthoh
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The fair comparison would be Aria of Zeal to Blood Ritual and "The Power Is Yours!" to Blood is Power. Considering that BiP is elite I would expect it to outclass a non-elite skill in as many aspects as possible. In both cases the paragon's skills are still superior however.
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The aria, as i see it, just gives the caster enough energy back to compensate for the spell that was just casted so really it's no energy gain at all.
Blood is Power, as I see it, puts me at 7/8 or 11/12 when I look at the party window. In a prolonged fight it's often because there is not enough damage to break the enemy not that my casters don't have the energy too.
Shuriken
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The aria, as i see it, just gives the caster enough energy back to compensate for the spell that was just casted so really it's no energy gain at all.
I knwo someone responded to this already but I want to add something to it. | its not an energy gain for the eyes, but you basicly are able to cast the same spell twice so it kinda is 2 for 1. So a 5 energy gain... NecroticChanter
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Blood is Power, as I see it, puts me at 7/8 or 11/12 when I look at the party window. In a prolonged fight it's often because there is not enough damage to break the enemy not that my casters don't have the energy too.
Then tell me again, why do people say " LF BiP for Urgoz " instead of " Battery paragon need for urgoz run"? I'd rather not argue with a mod but I'm just pointing out that most PUGs prefer a BiP.
xDusT II
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Then tell me again, why do people say " LF BiP for Urgoz " instead of " Battery paragon need for urgoz run"? I'd rather not argue with a mod but I'm just pointing out that most PUGs prefer a BiP.
Because those are the same groups that would rather take a warrior with a bar full of defensive skills over a Paragon providing a ~90% reduction in damage to the whole party.
Also, those groups probably prefer a BiP because the casters in said groups are so use to working with a BiP that they need one just to function properly. If your in any decent group playing properly, there should be no need for a BiP in the party, and wasting an entire character on a useless role is stupid.
Tickle
The Power is Yours -> Song of Power..
Double whammy, btw its a nice combo and have used it many times before as Paragon was my favourite class to play. And yes battery Para's can maintain heals as well, group stays within shouting/chants range and energy management isn't a problem.  If your not confident about using both of these then use Energizing Chorus as a form of e-management or Lyric of Zeal but bottom line is, front line battery with heals = pwnage. Don't take my word for it just try it and see for yourself.. I used to run either a command def front liner or a heals front liner but battery front liner if caster can't grasp e-management (and alot can't grasp that concept hence why I used to have a battery/heals build saved).
0siris
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Then tell me again, why do people say " LF BiP for Urgoz " instead of " Battery paragon need for urgoz run"? I'd rather not argue with a mod but I'm just pointing out that most PUGs prefer a BiP.
lets face it I dont think anyone could possibly screw up playing BiP
Racthoh
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Then tell me again, why do people say " LF BiP for Urgoz " instead of " Battery paragon need for urgoz run"? I'd rather not argue with a mod but I'm just pointing out that most PUGs prefer a BiP.
If your argument is "PuGs prefer it" then I really can't argue back. By that logic warriors should never use attack skills, Obsidian Flesh is a good skill, Searing Flames is a good skill, Rebirth on monks is a good tactic, etc...
They take the BiP guy because the BiP guy existed first. Trying something new scares PuGs that is why they always use a tank for everything. They won't try anything else because their current method of play works despite it being slow and inefficient. Which is of course hilarious since PuGs will use the slowest method possible to clear areas but when it comes to solo farming people want the fastest method possible. 
kobey
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They won't try anything else because their current method of play works despite it being slow and inefficient.
That is assuming that the pug didn't fail, in the first place :P
angmar_nite
In general bips are useless. But how the hell do you fuel spinal shivers without a bip...
NecroticChanter
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Because those are the same groups that would rather take a warrior with a bar full of defensive skills over a Paragon providing a ~90% reduction in damage to the whole party.
Also, those groups probably prefer a BiP because the casters in said groups are so use to working with a BiP that they need one just to function properly. If your in any decent group playing properly, there should be no need for a BiP in the party, and wasting an entire character on a useless role is stupid. My point. I personally play paragon and would love for battery paragons to dominate but as Racthoh said, BiPs came first
Marverick
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In general bips are useless. But how the hell do you fuel spinal shivers without a bip...
You wouldn't. You would run [skill=text]Concussion Shot[/skill] or [skill=text]Broad Head Arrow[/skill] instead. That is, if you can convince a PuG Ranger to not run Barrage.
zling
it is very obvious that BiP>the power is yours
however a Battery Paragorn>a BiP necro that doesnt do anything besides spamming BiP so now we come to the top secret formula, something that all of you ignored: a Paragorn with: yes, say it with me, B i P ! ! ! now you can use your favourite battery skill and actually be useful to the party, both in the same time!!! how awsome!!!
Racthoh
But then you're sacrificing points away from leadership, spear, or motivation/command for a shield. You don't really need the extra 8 AL from a shield but that's still no reason to spec into blood when motivation is good enough for a battery role.
zling
first of all Racthoh, we both agree that batteries in general are very unneeded, and a waste of character slot.
second of all those N00B PuGs that do require a battery almost always requires a BiP and not The Power is Yours or some other form of motivation battery. third of all I dont disagree with you that Paragorns can make fine batteries, it's those N00Bs in those PuGs that disagree... and since this whole battery concept is aimed for these N00B PuGs and since the op is playing a Paragorn but wants to fit that role than I suggested the BiP Paragorn... not saying its great or anything, its just what the op wanted and its good enough...
blue.rellik
A real battery Paragon is one that has both SY and TNTF so the monks can be lazy
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