I've seen gold items and mods sell for drastically different prices just because of one percent...
Is something (Chance: 20%) that much of a difference compared to (Chance: 19%)?
One Percent
StormDragonZ
arbiter
i tested 14%>50 and 15>50 with wild blow against some1 with no armor using frenzy and it made literally no difference.
So imo it makes 0 difference it just looks better
So imo it makes 0 difference it just looks better
Jake_Steel
It is one percent different.
Zahr Dalsk
It's epeen, plain and simple.
redant751
I have noted that the difference is so small it's not noticeable at all.
I have a few Axes/Swords 20/19 15>50 +29 health and they work just as well as my 20/20 15>50 +30 heath Axes/Swords.
The one point off mods are a lot cheaper and just as effective as the Perfect Mods.
Hey it's a good way to save a few Plat.
I have a few Axes/Swords 20/19 15>50 +29 health and they work just as well as my 20/20 15>50 +30 heath Axes/Swords.
The one point off mods are a lot cheaper and just as effective as the Perfect Mods.
Hey it's a good way to save a few Plat.
strcpy
From a technical point of view - no no difference.
However, I have 300 or so plat in the bank not including other "wealth" - for quite a number out there I'm poor. If one takes into account my "other" wealth (thing not in just what GW shows as my gold) I'm well over 1000k. Even then, I'm poor.
What better do I have to spend my gold on? I have no reason to find anything other than max - for the vast majority of things out there I have numerous near max stuff so why pay for another? If I really want it 100k+ecto is irrelevant, it only drops rare enough number I don't really care I can still afford it. It still leaves me with enough to get anything else I could possibly want.
As such, the only things I'm willing to purchase are max, I can easily find anything less. In fact, I can pretty much easily find most things at max so why even bother to purchase it from you? The only exceptions are if you have something rare enough that I realistically can not farm for and there is little out there that is so. Even then I can afford max so without really having a hardship to do so why get less?
However, I have 300 or so plat in the bank not including other "wealth" - for quite a number out there I'm poor. If one takes into account my "other" wealth (thing not in just what GW shows as my gold) I'm well over 1000k. Even then, I'm poor.
What better do I have to spend my gold on? I have no reason to find anything other than max - for the vast majority of things out there I have numerous near max stuff so why pay for another? If I really want it 100k+ecto is irrelevant, it only drops rare enough number I don't really care I can still afford it. It still leaves me with enough to get anything else I could possibly want.
As such, the only things I'm willing to purchase are max, I can easily find anything less. In fact, I can pretty much easily find most things at max so why even bother to purchase it from you? The only exceptions are if you have something rare enough that I realistically can not farm for and there is little out there that is so. Even then I can afford max so without really having a hardship to do so why get less?
nightwatchman
People are just perfectionists. Its weird, but not as strange as the price difference between a purple and a gold when they're both same req, same stats and inscribable.
zwei2stein
Why buy nonmax weapon to save few bucks if you are eventually gonna buy perfect one?
Its not saving money, its exact opposite!
Besides, noone is selling nonmax upgrades, so trying to find one takes so much time that you could buy max upgrade and and use time you would have spend looking for nonmax one to farm money.
Its not saving money, its exact opposite!
Besides, noone is selling nonmax upgrades, so trying to find one takes so much time that you could buy max upgrade and and use time you would have spend looking for nonmax one to farm money.
Meat Axe
Yeah, it makes little difference, which is why I generally hold on to the close-to-perfect mods for use with BMP weapons or destroyer weapons (when I actually get some) and just sell all the perfect ones. I'm not going to complain if people want to pay much more for something that works only slightly better.
arsie
Don't argue practicality with a perfectionist or a collector.
I'm personally quite happy that 14^50 is so much cheaper.
I'm personally quite happy that 14^50 is so much cheaper.
Yawgmoth
In PvE it makes no difference, if you can complete it with all very perfect weapons, you could do it just as well only using nonmax purples that are worth absolutely zero.
Overabundance of perfect items and overfarmed cheap greens causes the less than perfect items to be worth far far less. 19% (or 1hp off) versions usually sell at around 1/5 - 1/6 price of a perfect item.
for example: Sundering mod for Sword (20% chance) easily sells for 12k, 19% version goes for around 2k.
If 20% version of an item goes for 5k or less, the 19% version is worth zero.
People who can afford it want everything very perfect, they pay sick prices for Req.8 perfect gold weapons even if they never play with attribute smaller than 11. They feel it's an improvement, and epeen rises.
Overabundance of perfect items and overfarmed cheap greens causes the less than perfect items to be worth far far less. 19% (or 1hp off) versions usually sell at around 1/5 - 1/6 price of a perfect item.
for example: Sundering mod for Sword (20% chance) easily sells for 12k, 19% version goes for around 2k.
If 20% version of an item goes for 5k or less, the 19% version is worth zero.
People who can afford it want everything very perfect, they pay sick prices for Req.8 perfect gold weapons even if they never play with attribute smaller than 11. They feel it's an improvement, and epeen rises.
redant751
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Why buy nonmax weapon to save few bucks if you are eventually gonna buy perfect one?
Its not saving money, its exact opposite! Besides, noone is selling nonmax upgrades, so trying to find one takes so much time that you could buy max upgrade and and use time you would have spend looking for nonmax one to farm money. |
I rather Pay 2-3k instead of 10-12k for a sword sundering mod. (hell my heroes will end up with the Item any way).I have way too much stuff any way
Productivity
If you're going to use them in PVP, you use perfect mods. Otherwise, you're letting down your team - they made PVP characters for a reason, don't disadvantage your team purely because you wnat to use an improperly equipped PVE character.
For PVE it hardly matters.
For PVE it hardly matters.
redant751
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Originally Posted by Productivity
If you're going to use them in PVP, you use perfect mods. Otherwise, you're letting down your team - they made PVP characters for a reason, don't disadvantage your team purely because you wnat to use an improperly equipped PVE character.
For PVE it hardly matters. |
dunky_g
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Originally Posted by strcpy
From a technical point of view - no no difference.
However, I have 300 or so plat in the bank not including other "wealth" - for quite a number out there I'm poor. If one takes into account my "other" wealth (thing not in just what GW shows as my gold) I'm well over 1000k. Even then, I'm poor. What better do I have to spend my gold on? I have no reason to find anything other than max - for the vast majority of things out there I have numerous near max stuff so why pay for another? If I really want it 100k+ecto is irrelevant, it only drops rare enough number I don't really care I can still afford it. It still leaves me with enough to get anything else I could possibly want. As such, the only things I'm willing to purchase are max, I can easily find anything less. In fact, I can pretty much easily find most things at max so why even bother to purchase it from you? The only exceptions are if you have something rare enough that I realistically can not farm for and there is little out there that is so. Even then I can afford max so without really having a hardship to do so why get less? |
zwei2stein
Its more like ... i have the money -> spending it on perfect mods makes whole lot more sense that spending it on pwettier armour or weapons or just having it idle in my storage -> i buy perfect mods.
Avai
I normally will get perfect greens for my chars and their heroes now that most greens are so inexpensive. However, if I find a sexy skin I want I'll get as close to perfect mods as I can. Generally I can get a good deal, but if I can save a few plat on a 1% off mod, I'll use it.
I PvP with perfects and elite armor if playing mesmer and paragon. For all other classes I use PvP as I do not have other RP chars.
I PvP with perfects and elite armor if playing mesmer and paragon. For all other classes I use PvP as I do not have other RP chars.
Yichi
Most green items come in a good skin, have perfect mods for almost any situation, and 90% of them are dirt cheap.
If you can't find a weapon out of those that have perf mods, than you're just going to have to shell out the money for it.
If you can't find a weapon out of those that have perf mods, than you're just going to have to shell out the money for it.
Avarre
Rarity value, same reasons golds are worth more than blues.
Esan
My ranger has clocked about 1000 hours. Assuming that entire time was spent plinking a 60AR practice dummy with a shortbow, the difference between a 19% and a 20% chance is 18,000 strikes. Because 20% sundering changes 15..28 to 18.47..34.47, this is a missed net damage of 332,409..620,497.
cebalrai
Tiny differences like 19/20 sundering vs 20/20 sundering will never change how much success you have at whatever task you're doing. Buying slightly imperfect mods is a great way to save money, especially if you're equipping a bunch of heroes.
mrvrod
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Why buy nonmax weapon to save few bucks if you are eventually gonna buy perfect one?
Its not saving money, its exact opposite! Besides, noone is selling nonmax upgrades, so trying to find one takes so much time that you could buy max upgrade and and use time you would have spend looking for nonmax one to farm money. |
When max Forget me Nots were going for 25-30k you could get up to 10k for a 19%, but that's the highest I've seen a 1-off go.
gremlin
There is an all important different between 19% and 20%
19% you use yourself knowing it makes little difference.
20% you sell to those wonderfull players who pay lots of money for same.
19% you use yourself knowing it makes little difference.
20% you sell to those wonderfull players who pay lots of money for same.
ShadowsRequiem
yah it doesnt seem at all worth buying 14^50
Nf bought inscriptions so 15^50 is 10 times easier to get. Now mods are finally dirt cheap 8k for a 20/20 sword hilt?(yay screams all the noobs!) I remember when a friggen +30 sword cost over 100k
If you cant get 8 k try doing a few quests XD
Nf bought inscriptions so 15^50 is 10 times easier to get. Now mods are finally dirt cheap 8k for a 20/20 sword hilt?(yay screams all the noobs!) I remember when a friggen +30 sword cost over 100k
If you cant get 8 k try doing a few quests XD
Silly Warrior
If your modding a weapon for yourself, go for the +29's for fortitude, and 14/50's for your mods. It will save you cash and it doesn't matter at all. Call it penny pinching, but it makes almost no difference in game.
The difference is so slight, you'd most likely need a graph and a calculator to show the damage difference.
The difference is so slight, you'd most likely need a graph and a calculator to show the damage difference.
TwinRaven
Think of it this way....1% is not always a considerable difference, but is often a huge point of contention....It really depends on your point of view. A 1% addition to your taxes might piss you off, whereas a 1% raise in your paycheck might make you happy (or piss you off...ok, bad example)
Let's start again....ahem...1% is not a life-threatening percentage of your body to be burned over, but if it's the right 1% you might have a pretty horrific injury...loss of an eye, nose, testicle...wait....ok, another bad example.
Take three: 1% of the human body added or lost in terms of weight is no big deal and isn't likely to be the breaking point between one size pants and another. But add or lose 1% in terms of misfiring stemcells and you girlfriend is +/- a nipple...A breast without a nipple is like a keg without a tap....pointless (pun intended)....but on the other hand do you want a girlfriend with a third nipple...wait...I'm not being clear...
uh...a bloodhound's nose is like a rocket....wait....wrong conversation...
1% IS a big deal when the whole bonus is 20% because than means a 19% bonus is really missing 5% because 1 is 5% of 20....so it's actually five times bigger of a deal than you might think....that's what I meant to say....besides, who wants a hammer with a missing nipple?
Let's start again....ahem...1% is not a life-threatening percentage of your body to be burned over, but if it's the right 1% you might have a pretty horrific injury...loss of an eye, nose, testicle...wait....ok, another bad example.
Take three: 1% of the human body added or lost in terms of weight is no big deal and isn't likely to be the breaking point between one size pants and another. But add or lose 1% in terms of misfiring stemcells and you girlfriend is +/- a nipple...A breast without a nipple is like a keg without a tap....pointless (pun intended)....but on the other hand do you want a girlfriend with a third nipple...wait...I'm not being clear...
uh...a bloodhound's nose is like a rocket....wait....wrong conversation...
1% IS a big deal when the whole bonus is 20% because than means a 19% bonus is really missing 5% because 1 is 5% of 20....so it's actually five times bigger of a deal than you might think....that's what I meant to say....besides, who wants a hammer with a missing nipple?
Aera Lure
There really is not a practical difference of that 1%. I very often used 19%s and sold my 20%s, though over time simply have ended up now with all 20%s on practically every item of consequence in my various weapon sets for my monk, as she's my primary. Imho, go for the lessor 1%s until you later have the flexibility to upgrade.
mrvrod
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Originally Posted by TwinRaven
Think of it this way....1% is not always a considerable difference, but is often a huge point of contention....It really depends on your point of view. A 1% addition to your taxes might piss you off, whereas a 1% raise in your paycheck might make you happy (or piss you off...ok, bad example)
Let's start again....ahem...1% is not a life-threatening percentage of your body to be burned over, but if it's the right 1% you might have a pretty horrific injury...loss of an eye, nose, testicle...wait....ok, another bad example. Take three: 1% of the human body added or lost in terms of weight is no big deal and isn't likely to be the breaking point between one size pants and another. But add or lose 1% in terms of misfiring stemcells and you girlfriend is +/- a nipple...A breast without a nipple is like a keg without a tap....pointless (pun intended)....but on the other hand do you want a girlfriend with a third nipple...wait...I'm not being clear... uh...a bloodhound's nose is like a rocket....wait....wrong conversation... 1% IS a big deal when the whole bonus is 20% because than means a 19% bonus is really missing 5% because 1 is 5% of 20....so it's actually five times bigger of a deal than you might think....that's what I meant to say....besides, who wants a hammer with a missing nipple? |
bebe
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Originally Posted by TwinRaven
Think of it this way....1% is not always a considerable difference, but is often a huge point of contention....It really depends on your point of view. A 1% addition to your taxes might piss you off, whereas a 1% raise in your paycheck might make you happy (or piss you off...ok, bad example)
Let's start again....ahem...1% is not a life-threatening percentage of your body to be burned over, but if it's the right 1% you might have a pretty horrific injury...loss of an eye, nose, testicle...wait....ok, another bad example. Take three: 1% of the human body added or lost in terms of weight is no big deal and isn't likely to be the breaking point between one size pants and another. But add or lose 1% in terms of misfiring stemcells and you girlfriend is +/- a nipple...A breast without a nipple is like a keg without a tap....pointless (pun intended)....but on the other hand do you want a girlfriend with a third nipple...wait...I'm not being clear... uh...a bloodhound's nose is like a rocket....wait....wrong conversation... 1% IS a big deal when the whole bonus is 20% because than means a 19% bonus is really missing 5% because 1 is 5% of 20....so it's actually five times bigger of a deal than you might think....that's what I meant to say....besides, who wants a hammer with a missing nipple? |
IMO. It doesn't really make a difference.. but I am a perfectionist ._. so I need that 1% 1hp 1-whatever!! xD
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by nightwatchman
People are just perfectionists. Its weird, but not as strange as the price difference between a purple and a gold when they're both same req, same stats and inscribable.
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Master Knightfall
Fraid many of you are wrong about colors. I have a BLUE 15 Armor class shield with a 6 tactical requirement that I've been offered tons of gold and ectoes for. It ain't always the color that is worth a lot of money, but, the low attribute stat requirement. I wouldn't sell my BLUE 15 Armor Class shield for anything though, it works perfectly on my monk/warrior and my hero monk/warrior when I use it on one of them and putting in a +10 vs slashing in it just makes it that much more valuable from a monks point of view.
Savio
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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
Fraid many of you are wrong about colors. I have a BLUE 15 Armor class shield with a 6 tactical requirement that I've been offered tons of gold and ectoes for.
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nightwatchman
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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
Fraid many of you are wrong about colors. I have a BLUE 15 Armor class shield with a 6 tactical requirement that I've been offered tons of gold and ectoes for.
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Shadow Slave
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Originally Posted by Silly Warrior
If your modding a weapon for yourself, go for the +29's for fortitude, and 14/50's for your mods. It will save you cash and it doesn't matter at all. Call it penny pinching, but it makes almost no difference in game.
The difference is so slight, you'd most likely need a graph and a calculator to show the damage difference. |
Dont agree with your comment on the +29's though. I think that can make a big difference.
I immediately recall the number of times I have been left standing with 1hp (which I'm sure has happened to most of us..)
*Winks at my weapon set*
"Thanks trusty +30 !!"
Weapon Set: "No problem Shad, stay cool"
That remaining 1hp may have gifted me the final swing of the axe to fell that pesky assassin nibbling at my shins!
PVP - Make a PVP Char
PVE - um...dont. But consider you may someday need that 1hp you didnt pay for. The fate of the world is in your hands little one!
TwinRaven - Epic post. I think I love you a little bit.