For 10...74 seconds, you gain +40 armor, you move 33% faster, and your attacks deal holy damage. This Skill is disabled for 120 seconds.
That's the skill description, can someone please explain to me what gives this skill such a large advantage vs the other elite dervish skills that a player could run? The effects aren't all that noteworthy, and can easily be reproduced with other skills. The only redeeming feature is the armor, which negates 1/2 of the physical damage, but it too can be almost completely reproduced with other Dervish skills (Conviction). Why is it that so many people feel compelled to always have this on their bar?
Avatar of Balthazar
BaconSoda
Mr. Undisclosed
Umm...because they're new? A non stop 40 armor and 33% speed boost sounds pretty nice to a newbie.
Arkantos
Because it makes you look cool!!!111
But seriously, it's a bad elite, and people run it because they're bad. Same reason people run flare, healing breeze, etc.
But seriously, it's a bad elite, and people run it because they're bad. Same reason people run flare, healing breeze, etc.
horseradish
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Originally Posted by BaconSoda
For 10...74 seconds, you gain +40 armor, you move 33% faster, and your attacks deal holy damage. This Skill is disabled for 120 seconds.
That's the skill description, can someone please explain to me what gives this skill such a large advantage vs the other elite dervish skills that a player could run? The effects aren't all that noteworthy, and can easily be reproduced with other skills. The only redeeming feature is the armor, which negates 1/2 of the physical damage, but it too can be almost completely reproduced with other Dervish skills (Conviction). Why is it that so many people feel compelled to always have this on their bar? I believe you're one of the more competent persons on this forum. XP
That's the skill description, can someone please explain to me what gives this skill such a large advantage vs the other elite dervish skills that a player could run? The effects aren't all that noteworthy, and can easily be reproduced with other skills. The only redeeming feature is the armor, which negates 1/2 of the physical damage, but it too can be almost completely reproduced with other Dervish skills (Conviction). Why is it that so many people feel compelled to always have this on their bar? I believe you're one of the more competent persons on this forum. XP
Sirugel Kai
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Because it makes you look cool!!!111
people run it because they're bad. Same reason people run flare, healing breeze, etc. I'm not saying I use any of that .. but
Maybe.. Just MAYBE they're new to the game
That IS a possibility you know?
Just because someone has never been told "AoB is bad" doesnt mean they are bad for using it.. They're just uninformed or new..
In my opinion you can't be "bad" at a game where about all you do is click and smash buttons. There isn't much talent in there.
people run it because they're bad. Same reason people run flare, healing breeze, etc. I'm not saying I use any of that .. but
Maybe.. Just MAYBE they're new to the game
That IS a possibility you know?Just because someone has never been told "AoB is bad" doesnt mean they are bad for using it.. They're just uninformed or new..
In my opinion you can't be "bad" at a game where about all you do is click and smash buttons. There isn't much talent in there.
LightningHell
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In my opinion you can't be "bad" at a game where about all you do is click and smash buttons. There isn't much talent in there. "Bad" implies "inability to perform to a reasonable capability". Being new to the game generally means you are uninformed about general trends and such, is not able to perform to a reasonable capacity usually expected by experienced players.
And one could also argue that one can't be "bad" at chess where all you do is move pieces, or one cannot be bad at a sport because all you do is run around manipulating a ball. Evidently that is not the case.
Sirugel Kai
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And one could also argue that one can't be "bad" at chess where all you do is move pieces, or one cannot be bad at a sport because all you do is run around manipulating a ball. Evidently that is not the case.
To play chess you need to be able to think.
To play a sport you have to be strong / physically fit
To mash buttons and use a build you have to stare at it for 3 minutes
To play a sport you have to be strong / physically fit
To mash buttons and use a build you have to stare at it for 3 minutes
LightningHell
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Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai
To play chess you need to be able to think.
To play a sport you have to be strong / physically fit
To mash buttons and use a build you have to stare at it for 3 minutes To play Guild Wars properly you have to be able to think and make decisions on the spot, within a timeframe of a second or less, and have impeccable teamwork, as well as have a certain degree of reflex.
Of course, this applies less to PvE, where you can finish the game with one hand down your pants.
To play a sport you have to be strong / physically fit
To mash buttons and use a build you have to stare at it for 3 minutes To play Guild Wars properly you have to be able to think and make decisions on the spot, within a timeframe of a second or less, and have impeccable teamwork, as well as have a certain degree of reflex.
Of course, this applies less to PvE, where you can finish the game with one hand down your pants.
Sirugel Kai
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
To play Guild Wars properly you have to be able to think and make decisions on the spot, within a timeframe of a second or less, and have impeccable teamwork, as well as have a certain degree of reflex.
Of course, this applies less to PvE, where you can finish the game with one hand down your pants. Well if you're talking about PvP then forget i even said that.. but for PvE the only thing i can think of right now that requires any "skill" would be running places
And even then it isn't hard to say "omg a big mob" -mystic regen -VoS- -runs-
Edit: K.. Its 3:00 here, i'm tired, and im going to bed. Yay for sleep >.<..
Of course, this applies less to PvE, where you can finish the game with one hand down your pants. Well if you're talking about PvP then forget i even said that.. but for PvE the only thing i can think of right now that requires any "skill" would be running places
And even then it isn't hard to say "omg a big mob" -mystic regen -VoS- -runs-
Edit: K.. Its 3:00 here, i'm tired, and im going to bed. Yay for sleep >.<..
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai
I'm not saying I use any of that .. but
Maybe.. Just MAYBE they're new to the game That IS a possibility you know?
Just because someone has never been told "AoB is bad" doesnt mean they are bad for using it.. They're just uninformed or new..
In my opinion you can't be "bad" at a game where about all you do is click and smash buttons. There isn't much talent in there. Or maybe...just MAYBE, older players are running this too? When you're talking about bad players and bad skills, you're talking about players in general, and not just about new players. New players will run bad skills because they don't know better. Take a look on the forums, you'll see people who have been playing since 05/06 running crappy bars. They're not new, they're not uninformed, they're just bad. Those are the players we're, and most discussions about bad players and skills, are talking about.
When you're smashing buttons, you clearly have no talent, you're just smashing buttons. In normal mode that's all you have to do, but in hard mode and PvP you actually, you know, have to know what to do to some extent (unless you're running ursan or some gimmick), and like Lightning said, make decisions very fast. So yes, Guild Wars does take skill, to some extent.
Maybe.. Just MAYBE they're new to the game
That IS a possibility you know?Just because someone has never been told "AoB is bad" doesnt mean they are bad for using it.. They're just uninformed or new..
In my opinion you can't be "bad" at a game where about all you do is click and smash buttons. There isn't much talent in there. Or maybe...just MAYBE, older players are running this too? When you're talking about bad players and bad skills, you're talking about players in general, and not just about new players. New players will run bad skills because they don't know better. Take a look on the forums, you'll see people who have been playing since 05/06 running crappy bars. They're not new, they're not uninformed, they're just bad. Those are the players we're, and most discussions about bad players and skills, are talking about.
When you're smashing buttons, you clearly have no talent, you're just smashing buttons. In normal mode that's all you have to do, but in hard mode and PvP you actually, you know, have to know what to do to some extent (unless you're running ursan or some gimmick), and like Lightning said, make decisions very fast. So yes, Guild Wars does take skill, to some extent.
MrFinklestein
I used this skill when I first bought Nightfall, then I was enlightened by Reapers Sweep, and now I'm using Avatar of Lyssa. The only time I used AoB since then is when i was running from Kaineng Center to The Marketplace and didn't want to switch out my whole bar for a 2 second run.
Pyro maniac
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Originally Posted by MrFinklestein
I used this skill when I first bought Nightfall, then I was enlightened by Reapers Sweep, and now I'm using Avatar of Lyssa. The only time I used AoB since then is when i was running from Kaineng Center to The Marketplace and didn't want to switch out my whole bar for a 2 second run.
[skill]Pious Haste[/skill]
better at running ;-)
better at running ;-)
MrFinklestein
I was only using it for a one time run.
flclisgreat
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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac
[skill]Pious Haste[/skill]
better at running ;-) how can a skill that lasts 10 seconds be better than one that lasts a minute? they both run 33% faster
better at running ;-) how can a skill that lasts 10 seconds be better than one that lasts a minute? they both run 33% faster
Darkside
Despite being one of the worst avatars it seems to be the most popular with people. A guy in my old guild that has been playing guild wars for 3 years pinged me his dervish's build and it was...well it was bad. I pinged him my Lyssa build which is pretty standard and he seemed unimpressed. I'm not sure how you can convince people that other avatars are better but I know a lot of people that still run Balthazar.
Anyway, only time I would use AoB is for running or if it was the only elite dervish skills I had available to me.
On another note Anet should add AoB to it's next skill balance list... change the 33% run to 33% IAS...then it might be worth using.
Anyway, only time I would use AoB is for running or if it was the only elite dervish skills I had available to me.
On another note Anet should add AoB to it's next skill balance list... change the 33% run to 33% IAS...then it might be worth using.
MagicalHobo
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Originally Posted by flclisgreat
how can a skill that lasts 10 seconds be better than one that lasts a minute? they both run 33% faster
Because you can keep reapplying it with a minimal loss in energy. And, since it's a stance, there's no casting time and you don't need to stop to reapply it like AoB + Eternal Aura.
flclisgreat
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Originally Posted by MagicalHobo
Because you can keep reapplying it with a minimal loss in energy. And, since it's a stance, there's no casting time and you don't need to stop to reapply it like AoB + Eternal Aura.
balth at 11 mysticism is ~70 seconds. pios at 11 is 10 seconds. 7x5e=35e/ balth x1+eternal=20e.
perfect for short runs.
(still a crap elite overall)
perfect for short runs.
(still a crap elite overall)
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by flclisgreat
how can a skill that lasts 10 seconds be better than one that lasts a minute? they both run 33% faster
Pious Haste isn't an elite, Avatar of Balthazar is. With Pious Haste, you can bring Vow of Silence, which makes running easymode.
Washi
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Originally Posted by Darkside
On another note Anet should add AoB to it's next skill balance list... change the 33% run to 33% IAS...then it might be worth using.
That would be totally overpowered. IAS is something you have to be very careful with, when you are ballancing skills.
Sirius-NZ
Much as I'd like to see 33% IAS, it'd be ... basically a super-leeroy build. You could pretty much run that, a bunch of attacks and nothing else (Eternal Aura and a res obviously, but still).
Then again, that's more or less what Ursan is already...
Then again, that's more or less what Ursan is already...
Burst Cancel
No, Ursan is a hell of a lot stronger. Not for any DPS reasons but because it pretty much can't be shut down except by skill disable or heavy edenial. It doesn't care about conditions, most hexes, blocking, or spell immunity.
If AoB was like, "Your attack skills become non-spell, non-attack skills", then you'd be getting close to Ursan.
If AoB was like, "Your attack skills become non-spell, non-attack skills", then you'd be getting close to Ursan.
BaconSoda
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Originally Posted by horseradish
Although I might be able to think of a few people who might think differently.Quote:
Maybe.. Just MAYBE they're new to the game That IS a possibility you know?
Just because someone has never been told "AoB is bad" doesnt mean they are bad for using it.. They're just uninformed or new..
In my opinion you can't be "bad" at a game where about all you do is click and smash buttons. There isn't much talent in there. XP There are plenty of better dervish skills available at the point where AoB is capped. Avatar of Dwayna is far superior in terms of defense, and I found it easier to cap than AoB, and if you just need an elite to fill a spot on ur bar Reaper's Sweep is right next door and definitely beats AoB.
If all you're doing is mashing buttons and clicking ur mouse, I think YOU are new.
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkantos Or maybe...just MAYBE, older players are running this too? When you're talking about bad players and bad skills, you're talking about players in general, and not just about new players. New players will run bad skills because they don't know better. Take a look on the forums, you'll see people who have been playing since 05/06 running crappy bars. They're not new, they're not uninformed, they're just bad. Those are the players we're, and most discussions about bad players and skills, are talking about. XP That's what I was talking about when I was starting this thread.
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On another note Anet should add AoB to it's next skill balance list... change the 33% run to 33% IAS...then it might be worth using. XP
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