Avatar of Balthazar
LightningHell
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Enchantment removal is rarely a big deal, either in PvE or PvP (where people that stack enchantments on themselves are stupid anyway). Please don't talk about PvP, but in PvE I guess you're right.
Chael
Is the holy damage granted by AoB armor-ignoring?
Sir Pandra Pierva
last I checked holy dmg ignored armor.
But still its not worth AOB is only worth running now adays and even then its not the best
So I rate aob
-599 out of 10
also I would rather bring Balths pendulem now rather than AoB into a fight
But still its not worth AOB is only worth running now adays and even then its not the best
So I rate aob
-599 out of 10
also I would rather bring Balths pendulem now rather than AoB into a fight
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
last I checked holy dmg ignored armor.
Holy damage dealt directly by skills - say, from Signet of Judgment or Banish - ignores armour.
Holy damage from attacks - whether from monk wands or converted damage types from AoB or Judges' Insight - does not ignore armour.
Holy damage from attacks - whether from monk wands or converted damage types from AoB or Judges' Insight - does not ignore armour.
Sir Pandra Pierva
ok make my new rating of aob
--234053
--234053
NamelessBeauty
Guys -,-"
- The 33% running speed is nice to chase a target which is nice in PvP but crap in PvE unless you are talking about excaping.
- The Holy dmg make it so the Ele dont have advantage of + armor vs Elemental and War dont have advantage of + armor vs Physical.
- +40 Armor so you can be a tank!
Ok now talking about why this skill is so crappy. It's because most of the bonuses it gives is not relavant.
- Holy dmg: Can be useful but Judge's Insight is much better in PvP. In PvE, no need to talk, melee was never a good thing in PvE (I talk about HM and such.)
- +40 Armor: To be honest why need this crap? If a War can tank better?
- 33% Speed Boost: A stance will be better for this, waste an elite just to run is stupid in PvP. In PvE you don't need to run, just use Essence of Celerity will do more than enough.
Why noobs run it a lot? Because they need to run fast, kill fast for missions? Esp without using a brain?
- The 33% running speed is nice to chase a target which is nice in PvP but crap in PvE unless you are talking about excaping.
- The Holy dmg make it so the Ele dont have advantage of + armor vs Elemental and War dont have advantage of + armor vs Physical.
- +40 Armor so you can be a tank!
Ok now talking about why this skill is so crappy. It's because most of the bonuses it gives is not relavant.
- Holy dmg: Can be useful but Judge's Insight is much better in PvP. In PvE, no need to talk, melee was never a good thing in PvE (I talk about HM and such.)
- +40 Armor: To be honest why need this crap? If a War can tank better?
- 33% Speed Boost: A stance will be better for this, waste an elite just to run is stupid in PvP. In PvE you don't need to run, just use Essence of Celerity will do more than enough.
Why noobs run it a lot? Because they need to run fast, kill fast for missions? Esp without using a brain?
Sir Pandra Pierva
why do they run it so much
CAUZZZ ITZZ LOOKKZZZZ COOL!
also its usually the +40 armor buff that they like.
CAUZZZ ITZZ LOOKKZZZZ COOL!
also its usually the +40 armor buff that they like.
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
Guys -,-"
- The 33% running speed is nice to chase a target which is nice in PvP but crap in PvE unless you are talking about excaping.
- The Holy dmg make it so the Ele dont have advantage of + armor vs Elemental and War dont have advantage of + armor vs Physical.
- +40 Armor so you can be a tank!
Ok now talking about why this skill is so crappy. It's because most of the bonuses it gives is not relavant.
- Holy dmg: Can be useful but Judge's Insight is much better in PvP. In PvE, no need to talk, melee was never a good thing in PvE (I talk about HM and such.)
- +40 Armor: To be honest why need this crap? If a War can tank better?
- 33% Speed Boost: A stance will be better for this, waste an elite just to run is stupid in PvP. In PvE you don't need to run, just use Essence of Celerity will do more than enough.
Why noobs run it a lot? Because they need to run fast, kill fast for missions? Esp without using a brain? uninstall now
kthxbai
- The 33% running speed is nice to chase a target which is nice in PvP but crap in PvE unless you are talking about excaping.
- The Holy dmg make it so the Ele dont have advantage of + armor vs Elemental and War dont have advantage of + armor vs Physical.
- +40 Armor so you can be a tank!
Ok now talking about why this skill is so crappy. It's because most of the bonuses it gives is not relavant.
- Holy dmg: Can be useful but Judge's Insight is much better in PvP. In PvE, no need to talk, melee was never a good thing in PvE (I talk about HM and such.)
- +40 Armor: To be honest why need this crap? If a War can tank better?
- 33% Speed Boost: A stance will be better for this, waste an elite just to run is stupid in PvP. In PvE you don't need to run, just use Essence of Celerity will do more than enough.
Why noobs run it a lot? Because they need to run fast, kill fast for missions? Esp without using a brain? uninstall now
kthxbai
Sir Pandra Pierva
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Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
pile of rubbish
umm ya please un install now
and would you be speaking from doing the same thing yourself as a dervish?
and would you be speaking from doing the same thing yourself as a dervish?
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
and would you be speaking from doing the same thing yourself as a dervish?
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
uninstall now
kthxbai QFT.
Coloneh
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Pyro maniac
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
K, when you agree with someone, you generally don't repeat what they said and make yourself look like a fool. Observe:
QFT. I love you <3 Splitisoda
Personally, I still use AoB. I have my own rights to use it
Sir Pandra Pierva
umm could someone please explain to me why i was agreeing with the person?....
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
umm could someone please explain to me why i was agreeing with the person?....
you werent agreeing with the person. you were agreeing with me, and saying the same thing.
IllusiveMind
I use AoB...
...for farming UW... and that's it...
Marverick
They should just drop the armor thing entirely on AoB.
Make it a 33% IAS and speed boost. Either that or give a 20% armor penetration and Holy Damage like Judge's Insight.
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by IllusiveMind
I use AoB...
...for farming UW... and that's it... zealous vow is better
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by Marverick
They should just drop the armor thing entirely on AoB.
Make it a 33% IAS and speed boost. Either that or give a 20% armor penetration and Holy Damage like Judge's Insight. Or just drop the speed buff make it a 33% IAS with 20% armor penetration. X Black Chaos X
when i PvE on my dervish i use diffrent avatars for diffrent areas. That way you can always have an advantage no matter where you go. I farm Plains of Jahrai HM (lol yes you can laugh) and i use dwayna for survival purposes(its really effective against the plants and stormseeds)
mrmango
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Originally Posted by Splitisoda
Personally, I still use AoB. I have my own rights to use it
Why state the obvious?
BaconSoda
Because it doesn't seem so obvious with all the AoB newblets runnin around
Sirius-NZ
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
Please don't talk about PvP, but in PvE I guess you're right.
If you've seen an effective enchant-stacking build in PvP feel free to enlighten me... I've run into obsidian tanks there myself but they pretty much just sat there getting ignored until all their team-mates were dead.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ
If you've seen an effective enchant-stacking build in PvP feel free to enlighten me... I've run into obsidian tanks there myself but they pretty much just sat there getting ignored until all their team-mates were dead.
What do you think a monk does when a teammate is getting spiked/pressured? They don't attempt to only out-heal the damage, they start protting the ally (SoA, PS, SB, etc). A grenth dervish easily removed all the enchantments, making the target much easier to kill.
Pyro maniac
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Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ
If you've seen an effective enchant-stacking build in PvP feel free to enlighten me... I've run into obsidian tanks there myself but they pretty much just sat there getting ignored until all their team-mates were dead.
[skill]Avatar of Grenth[/skill] + [skill]Wild Blow[/skill] > [skill]Spirit Bond[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill]
DarkGanni
I see AoB useful for areas with undead or running not much else tho.
- Ganni
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
I see AoB useful for areas with undead or running not much else tho.
- Ganni VoS runner > AoB runner AoHM > AoB
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by DarkGanni
I see AoB useful for areas with undead
In areas with Undead, Aura of Holy Might does the same thing, except x1000 times better.
That is, if AoHM isn't stapled to your bar anyway (which it really ought to... the damage increase is silly)
KalleDamos
Lets remeber for a second which skill came first people. lets also remeber that most of guild wars does not care about your opinion that AoB sucks, and most people will run it anyways because they enjoy to use it. It does not matter what you think, only what they think. Also one last thing, this is the section of the form for PvE discussion, so any arguments about PvP are kinda null and void, as well as being useless and stupid.
bpphantom
People will remove AoB from their bars when they get somewhere they can't get through. They'll experiment and find a build that works for that area/mission.
Normally for everything I'm a [skill]Vow of Strength[/skill] dervish, but I've used AoB and other elites and entire other skill bars and secondaries when it made getting through an area or mission easier (or even possible in rare cases). There may also be some subconscious word association going on. Balthazar is the Tyrian god of battle and war, etc. So why wouldn't that be the best Avatar for melee? It's arguably terrible, but based on the thought process behind the naming, why wouldn't it be amazing? /shrug People learn through losing and DP. ~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by KalleDamos
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Long story short, the buffs are not strong enough to spend your elite skill on. (and it can be argued that AoB is used because people are new/bad at the game and don't know better)|
Also one last thing, this is the section of the form for PvE discussion, so any arguments about PvP are kinda null and void, as well as being useless and stupid.
This is a profession forum. As far as i remember, a dervish can be used in PvP.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
This is a profession forum. As far as i remember, a dervish can be used in PvP.
Well, truthfully the Campfire is a 'PvE' forum, but as there is no specific forum for PvP solo-builds (I believe such threads are closed in Glad's
 ) and single skill discussion, PvP stuff gets talked about here.
KalleDamos
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
AoB is used because people enjoy to use it, play around and experiment. So tell me what is wrong with the concept of the skill that it gives you Holy damage which ignores armor, a good speed boost and extra armor. Tell me what is wrong with it without comparing it to another skill, because I know there are better and worse skills.
kosh
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Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
Guys -,-"
- The 33% running speed is nice to chase a target which is nice in PvP but crap in PvE unless you are talking about excaping. - The Holy dmg make it so the Ele dont have advantage of + armor vs Elemental and War dont have advantage of + armor vs Physical. - +40 Armor so you can be a tank! Ok now talking about why this skill is so crappy. It's because most of the bonuses it gives is not relavant. - Holy dmg: Can be useful but Judge's Insight is much better in PvP. In PvE, no need to talk, melee was never a good thing in PvE (I talk about HM and such.) - +40 Armor: To be honest why need this crap? If a War can tank better? - 33% Speed Boost: A stance will be better for this, waste an elite just to run is stupid in PvP. In PvE you don't need to run, just use Essence of Celerity will do more than enough. Why noobs run it a lot? Because they need to run fast, kill fast for missions? Esp without using a brain? yeah... ppl that by there avatar jun 08 should not call other ppl nobbs cough cough beside.. yeah like the rest uninstall ftw for you. flclisgreat
it doesn't ignore armor. that is why i used AoB, but after i found out that it doesn't ignore armor i quit
Utaku
One more time, holy damage coming from attacks does not ignore armor.
All it does is getting around warriors' and rangers' armor bonuses and double damage versus undead. And this can be done with non elite skills. Edit: flclisgreat was quicker than me 
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by KalleDamos
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If there were no other skills that heal people, then Healing Breeze wouldn't be 'bad' - because it's the only skill that can heal and therefore is not bad by any standard, because there is no standard of bad. However, in Guild Wars, it's plain to see that Healing Breeze is a worthless pile of shit, because just about every other healing skill is better.
Similarly, if there's no comparisons... Then AoB cannot be bad. Using it does not make you suddenly explode and automatically fail. By being under the effects of Balthazar, you are not 'weaker' then you are without it.
However, that's pure retardation. Balthazar is a bad skill because it is incredibly weak for an elite, you will be a much stronger character with a different elite.
edit and I missed the thing about Holy damage ignoring armour.
lolol
AoB does not make you ignore armour.
Pyro maniac
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Originally Posted by KalleDamos
AoB is used because people enjoy to use it, play around and experiment. So tell me what is wrong with the concept of the skill that it gives you Holy damage which ignores armor, a good speed boost and extra armor. Tell me what is wrong with it without comparing it to another skill, because I know there are better and worse skills.
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everyone raise your hands if your in the roster of the top 10 GvG guilds
Except for Masunume and Ensign, they don't come in campfire, (Hope I didn't forget anyone). I normally won't say it, however SMS alliance can be considered as experts as well, with far more knowledge then you would ever get. Also individuals like Alex are 'experts in PvE'.
KalleDamos
Yeah, his definition of expert and mine are differnet, and I'll leave it at that.
moriz
well, you can "define" an expert as someone in the top 10, but the fact remains that there are still plenty of people more experienced than you, and you ought to listen to them.
of course, you can just spout another one of your "it's all your/mine/their opinion" crap. that still doesn't change much though. truth is truth, and the truth is, avatar of balthazar is not THAT effective, especially compared to avatar of melandru and avatar of lyssa. |
