Avatar of Balthazar
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by Hundbert
Lax beat uF in the tour on observer mode now with avatars of balthazar. It only took 6 minutes. It looks like this build needs a nerf.
It's hardly meta breaking from what I've observed. I doubt it was because of the AoB that Lax won
Sir Pandra Pierva
its the spike.
the spike is evil. If they nerf it, the nerf will probolly be pious back to its old worthless self.
I love the new pious its so nice.
the spike is evil. If they nerf it, the nerf will probolly be pious back to its old worthless self.
I love the new pious its so nice.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
its the spike.
the spike is evil. If they nerf it, the nerf will probolly be pious back to its old worthless self.
I love the new pious its so nice. Doubt they would nerf it that much. But possibly they will nerf like 4 skills used with it like they did with SP sins.
the spike is evil. If they nerf it, the nerf will probolly be pious back to its old worthless self.
I love the new pious its so nice. Doubt they would nerf it that much. But possibly they will nerf like 4 skills used with it like they did with SP sins.
Bassu
I'm afraid Attacker's Insight might be nerfed.
Darkside
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
its the spike.
the spike is evil. If they nerf it, the nerf will probolly be pious back to its old worthless self.
I love the new pious its so nice. What skills are used in the spike other then pious assault?
the spike is evil. If they nerf it, the nerf will probolly be pious back to its old worthless self.
I love the new pious its so nice. What skills are used in the spike other then pious assault?
Bassu
Chilling Victory, Pious Assault, Eremite's, with pre-casted Attacker's Insight.
Darkside
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Originally Posted by Bassu
Chilling Victory, Pious Assault, Eremite's, with pre-casted Attacker's Insight.
That's what I figured...thx for the confirmation.
BaconSoda
First off, this is still going? I expected this to be closed 2 days after I opened it.....That or trail off...
2nd off:
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Originally Posted by Ensign
2nd off:
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The change to Pious Assault broke Melandru's monopoly on Deep Wound. Without the tree, Dervishes lack a true go-to elite, and all your important abilities can be covered without spending your elite. All of the forms are on the table, as well as elites from any secondary you feel like bringing.
Avatar of Balthazar has a decent amount of PvP power; while it is up you can do anything you feel like doing. You're not going to blow up with 110 armor, and with the nerf to Pious Haste nothing can catch a Balthazar Dervish. The main knocks on the form are that it doesn't add any new abilities, and it doesn't really compress your bar - do you really want to play without a speed boost during the form's downtime? But in the absence of a killer elite, one that lets you run around and do anything you like has a lot of appeal, and I don't fault people for taking advantage of that at all. This is constructive. This is a reason to use AoB. I opened with the a notion that it was already crap, no one needed to confirm that for me. I knew it. This, however, is a coherent argument about the effectiveness of AoB. Although I found the similes about Water Guns and Assault Rifles quite humorous, I think we can all agree that it was wasted Kilobytes. Everyone who registered on this forum, also, obviously knows that people will run things because they will. That doesn't need to be explained. Just registering the GWG shows that you have shown at least an attempt at making yourself better at this game, and we really shouldn't deign to point out the obvious to each other. There is no reason to just flame each other in a public thread, that is what private chat is for. So please, lets stay coherent and respectful of each other....I'm surprised we haven't seen any cats....
On that note, feel free to flame me (in private, that is), it's rather late and my english is getting less coherent by the minute...
And 3rd off:
continue
Avatar of Balthazar has a decent amount of PvP power; while it is up you can do anything you feel like doing. You're not going to blow up with 110 armor, and with the nerf to Pious Haste nothing can catch a Balthazar Dervish. The main knocks on the form are that it doesn't add any new abilities, and it doesn't really compress your bar - do you really want to play without a speed boost during the form's downtime? But in the absence of a killer elite, one that lets you run around and do anything you like has a lot of appeal, and I don't fault people for taking advantage of that at all. This is constructive. This is a reason to use AoB. I opened with the a notion that it was already crap, no one needed to confirm that for me. I knew it. This, however, is a coherent argument about the effectiveness of AoB. Although I found the similes about Water Guns and Assault Rifles quite humorous, I think we can all agree that it was wasted Kilobytes. Everyone who registered on this forum, also, obviously knows that people will run things because they will. That doesn't need to be explained. Just registering the GWG shows that you have shown at least an attempt at making yourself better at this game, and we really shouldn't deign to point out the obvious to each other. There is no reason to just flame each other in a public thread, that is what private chat is for. So please, lets stay coherent and respectful of each other....I'm surprised we haven't seen any cats....
On that note, feel free to flame me (in private, that is), it's rather late and my english is getting less coherent by the minute...
And 3rd off:
continue
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Bassu
Chilling Victory, Pious Assault, Eremite's, with pre-casted Attacker's Insight.
Actually I think it was: Grenth's Aura -> Attacker's Insight -> Chilling -> Pious -> Emerties.
Hundbert
I already posted the build a couple of pages back. If people would actually bother to read the thread...
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...245976&page=13
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...245976&page=13
Bassu
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
Actually I think it was: Grenth's Aura -> Attacker's Insight -> Chilling -> Pious -> Emerties.
Grent's is a coherent addition to the build in overall. It's the spike that is powerful and used on basically every dervish bar - SP dervish, beguiling dervish, avatars' dervish (even Mel!). Grenth's is an addition for particular situations, not necessary for the spike itself.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Bassu
Grent's is a coherent addition to the build in overall. It's the spike that is powerful and used on basically every dervish bar - SP dervish, beguiling dervish, avatars' dervish (even Mel!). Grenth's is an addition for particular situations, not necessary for the spike itself.
Not necessary for the spike, but it's really strong in combination with Pious Assault.
Think about it - all nearby enemies lose an enchant when PA goes off...
Think about it - all nearby enemies lose an enchant when PA goes off...
Bassu
I'm not saying it isn' useful, just that it's not necessary for the spike itself, but whatever 
LightningHell
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Originally Posted by BaconSoda
This is constructive. This is a reason to use AoB. I opened with the a notion that it was already crap, no one needed to confirm that for me. I knew it. This, however, is a coherent argument about the effectiveness of AoB. Although I found the similes about Water Guns and Assault Rifles quite humorous, I think we can all agree that it was wasted Kilobytes. Everyone who registered on this forum, also, obviously knows that people will run things because they will. That doesn't need to be explained. Just registering the GWG shows that you have shown at least an attempt at making yourself better at this game, and we really shouldn't deign to point out the obvious to each other. There is no reason to just flame each other in a public thread, that is what private chat is for. So please, lets stay coherent and respectful of each other....I'm surprised we haven't seen any cats....
The reason for no cats is because the posts so far, regardless of quality, were constructive in some way; i.e. it related to the thread topic, did nothing to do otherwise to derail it, nor was there any flaming.
On the topic, Avatar of Balthazar is now used because of Pious Assault. Previously, Melandru let you use Wearying Strike, which was an Eviscerate with Melandru but below average when you don't have Melandru. Pious Assault gave a different option for Dervishes to get a Deep Wound. Previously, it would've been pretty dumb to run Avatar of Balthazar, yes.
On the topic, Avatar of Balthazar is now used because of Pious Assault. Previously, Melandru let you use Wearying Strike, which was an Eviscerate with Melandru but below average when you don't have Melandru. Pious Assault gave a different option for Dervishes to get a Deep Wound. Previously, it would've been pretty dumb to run Avatar of Balthazar, yes.
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove
Because my man-Dervish looks bad with Dwayna's, Lyssa's, or Melandru's breasts and Grenth is a skinny nerd.
Don't be cheap, buy some nice armour, and use wounding strike.
moko
Wounding strike is arguably the most useless *derv* elite with the buff to pious assault now.
FengShuiDove
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
Don't be cheap, buy some nice armour, and use wounding strike.
I don't think you're following me ^_^. With the Avatars up the appearance is replaced with well, the avatar. Armor has no effect on how my man-Dervish is dressed up when he's got Avatars on him, and he doesn't like having lady lumps.
I don't think you're following me ^_^. With the Avatars up the appearance is replaced with well, the avatar. Armor has no effect on how my man-Dervish is dressed up when he's got Avatars on him, and he doesn't like having lady lumps.
isamu kurosawa
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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove
I don't think you're following me ^_^. With the Avatars up the appearance is replaced with well, the avatar. Armor has no effect on how my man-Dervish is dressed up when he's got Avatars on him, and he doesn't like having lady lumps.
Hence him telling you to get nice armour and to NOT use a avatar 
FengShuiDove
From the op: "Why is it that so many people feel compelled to always have this on their bar?"
Just responding to the question =).
Just responding to the question =).
Sir Pandra Pierva
so man comments to make on the lady lumps thing but I wont.
Personally i have begun to like the AoB spike for PvP since it really hurts and its hard to kite it.......but other than that spike AoB is still a droks runner for me only.
Vow of Silence running is too easy i like to have a slight challenge since i only run friends and guildies now
Personally i have begun to like the AoB spike for PvP since it really hurts and its hard to kite it.......but other than that spike AoB is still a droks runner for me only.
Vow of Silence running is too easy i like to have a slight challenge since i only run friends and guildies now
Lishy
I like avatar of Balthazar because of the speed boost,+40 armor, and holy damage.
But that is just me, and people shouldn't put something on their bar unless it relates to their build...In this case I am a high-moving tank with constant +9 hp regen and high armor :P
I find it to be a rather useful elite if you don't have anything else to put on your bar..But it probably shouldn't be used for high-end play.
But that is just me, and people shouldn't put something on their bar unless it relates to their build...In this case I am a high-moving tank with constant +9 hp regen and high armor :P
I find it to be a rather useful elite if you don't have anything else to put on your bar..But it probably shouldn't be used for high-end play.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Kain Fz
I like avatar of Balthazar because of the speed boost,+40 armor, and holy damage.
But that is just me, and people shouldn't put something on their bar unless it relates to their build...In this case I am a high-moving tank with constant +9 hp regen and high armor :P
I find it to be a rather useful elite if you don't have anything else to put on your bar..But it probably shouldn't be used for high-end play. Balthazar dervishes are quite scary in high-end play, since pious assault got buffed.
But that is just me, and people shouldn't put something on their bar unless it relates to their build...In this case I am a high-moving tank with constant +9 hp regen and high armor :P
I find it to be a rather useful elite if you don't have anything else to put on your bar..But it probably shouldn't be used for high-end play. Balthazar dervishes are quite scary in high-end play, since pious assault got buffed.
Sirius-NZ
I have a hard time believing that Lyssa spikers wouldn't be scarier, though... while they have less armour (can be fixed but you need another skill to do it), their damage output can be extremely high.
blurmedia
You're gonna have a hard time hitting for the bonus damage in GvG because people tend to not be dumb.
Keekles
Lyssa is easier to kite (assuming you aren't shadowstepping). A lot of times, you won't get bonus damage with lyssa in GvG (you still can, and it HURTS), while balth's holy damage will increase your damage vs warriors. You're a lot easier to spike (compared to balth or melandru).
Sirius-NZ
If you're not hitting for the bonus damage, I suspect it either means the target is not using skills (no biggie!) or is using skills with extremely short activation times that fit between swings, or something. As far as I know a warrior using a skill that has to wait for the next swing to work *does* count as an activation.
LightningHell
Chances, are, if you're hitting something, they're kiting and not casting anything.
Hence why Lyssa is kinda bad in PvP.
Hence why Lyssa is kinda bad in PvP.
Dodo The Extinct
AoB is the type of skill that people bring because there was nothing else that fit. Not because it was very appropriate, but because it was the best choice.
The real problem lies in Pious Assault and Grenth's Aura.
The real problem lies in Pious Assault and Grenth's Aura.
isamu kurosawa
The pious buff however doesn't mean balth is any better in PvE yet its still as popular. Lyssa is still the most useful in PvE because of the ease of triggering the bonus damage.
Dwayna can be very useful if your running Rts in place of monks too.
Dwayna can be very useful if your running Rts in place of monks too.
blurmedia
And why would you want to run rits instead of monks...?
If izzy would just remove the activation time on assault the spike would be dead :\
If izzy would just remove the activation time on assault the spike would be dead :\
Sir Pandra Pierva
anti hexing. thats why monks are still popular for anti conditions rits tend to do a little better but not as well as [skill]Restore Condtion[/skill]
isamu kurosawa
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Originally Posted by blurmedia
And why would you want to run rits instead of monks...?
If izzy would just remove the activation time on assault the spike would be dead :\ Well if your In DoA and want some form of prot against the big angry monkey taking a Rt would be more useful.
If izzy would just remove the activation time on assault the spike would be dead :\ Well if your In DoA and want some form of prot against the big angry monkey taking a Rt would be more useful.
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by blurmedia
And why would you want to run rits instead of monks...?
rits hold a team up better than monks if you dont have to worry about hex removal.
moriz
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
rits hold a team up better than monks if you dont have to worry about hex removal.
yeah
right
ok...
now, back to the dervish:
dervishes play pretty different compared to a warrior. while kiting works very well against warriors, it is actually sometimes more dangerous to kite a dervish than to stand there and take it. if you are kiting, the dervish is autocritting... and i don't need to remind you guys just how big dervish crits are.
this where AoB shines. it's perma-speed boost means that it can catch up to any kiting target, allowing them to deliver the big crits repeatedly. if not for avatar of melandru's immunity to conditions, AoB would be the form of choice in high level gvg a long time ago.
right
ok...
now, back to the dervish:
dervishes play pretty different compared to a warrior. while kiting works very well against warriors, it is actually sometimes more dangerous to kite a dervish than to stand there and take it. if you are kiting, the dervish is autocritting... and i don't need to remind you guys just how big dervish crits are.
this where AoB shines. it's perma-speed boost means that it can catch up to any kiting target, allowing them to deliver the big crits repeatedly. if not for avatar of melandru's immunity to conditions, AoB would be the form of choice in high level gvg a long time ago.
Div
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
rits hold a team up better than monks if you dont have to worry about hex removal.
Good joke. So we should run rits instead of monks in GvG when we're not facing hexes? Awesome!
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by moriz
this where AoB shines. it's perma-speed boost means that it can catch up to any kiting target, allowing them to deliver the big crits repeatedly.
[skill]Rush[/skill] or [skill]Crippling Sweep[/skill]
AoB "buffs" have been discussed to death already, and people deciding to use it in GvG doesn't make them any better. If it weren't for pious assault, this skill would still never see light.
AoB "buffs" have been discussed to death already, and people deciding to use it in GvG doesn't make them any better. If it weren't for pious assault, this skill would still never see light.
Sir Pandra Pierva
and it is still outshined by a lyssa running that spike
llsektorll
avatar of balth fails.... milandru is ftw
Sir Pandra Pierva
its funny but the tree is still godmode compared to the other avatars
has anyone tried the spke with Dwayna?
has anyone tried the spke with Dwayna?
llsektorll
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
its funny but the tree is still godmode compared to the other avatars
has anyone tried the spke with Dwayna? which is why sylvari will be the best race.... anet=treehuggers?.... did you see the pics of their office... they are in the middle of a forest..
has anyone tried the spke with Dwayna? which is why sylvari will be the best race.... anet=treehuggers?.... did you see the pics of their office... they are in the middle of a forest..