Eh.. Just scrapped together a D/Mo

Zeuki

Zeuki

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Join Date: Oct 2007

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Kentucky Fried Delak [KFD]

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Haven't ran a dervish before, but I've been thinking about running a build like this for PvE.

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Scythe Mastery- 10+2+1
Mysticism- 11+2
Smiting Prayers- 10

[card]Eremite's Attack[/card][card]Radiant Scythe[/card][card]Lyssa's Assault[/card][card]Eternal Aura[/card][card]Judge's Insight[/card][card]Heart of Fury[/card][card]Retribution[/card][card]Avatar of Lyssa[/card]

with 20/20, 15%^Enchant, and 20% Enchanting mods. Not sure how great it'd do though, any ideas?

blurmedia

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2007

UNCONTROLLABLE RAGE [moko]

...What's with retribution? Also 12 mysticism will do as the breakpoint for energy regain is every 3 levels. But hey, anything works in pve

Pyro maniac

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

add a res and mystic sweep
get rid of the monk skills =)

Turtle222

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Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

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^ What he said

Darkside

Darkside

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Chantry of Secrets

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeuki
Haven't ran a dervish before, but I've been thinking about running a build like this for PvE.

D/Mo

Scythe Mastery- 10+2+1
Mysticism- 11+2
Smiting Prayers- 10

[card]Eremite's Attack[/card][card]Radiant Scythe[/card][card]Lyssa's Assault[/card][card]Eternal Aura[/card][card]Judge's Insight[/card][card]Heart of Fury[/card][card]Retribution[/card][card]Avatar of Lyssa[/card]

with 20/20, 15%^Enchant, and 20% Enchanting mods. Not sure how great it'd do though, any ideas? Personally, I'd take out those monk skills and instead of Judge's insight use Aura of Holy Might. It converts your damage to holy and adds a bonus to damage. Lyssa's Assault isn't needed with Avatar of Lyssa you will have plenty of energy to spam attack skills; use Mystic Sweep instead.

~ Dan ~

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Join Date: Dec 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeuki
Haven't ran a dervish before Yeah, kinda guessed. Keep up with the comedy threads though

Sirius-NZ

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

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Hey, at least this build is Lyssa and not Balthazar. Mind you, it would be less "slightly amusing" and more "facepalm" if it were.

Anyway. In addition to what has been said above, Lyssa's Assault is overrated; if you really need an e-management skill, Zealous Sweep is better if you're facing more than one enemy, despite the high recycle. The mods you're talking about are good, although you might consider a Zealous scythe rather than Sundering if you're finding energy an issue (probably won't need e-management skills if so).

The other bonus is the Zealous equivalent is pretty easy to get - Droknar's Reaper has those stats and it's a GW:EN endgame weapon.

So... in a nutshell try this:
[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Radiant Scythe[/skill] ([skill]Zealous Sweep[/skill] or [skill]Wild Blow[/skill]) [skill]Eternal Aura[/skill][skill]Aura of Holy Might[/skill] ([skill]Heart of Holy Flame[/skill] is reasonable if you can't get AoHM) [skill]Heart of Fury[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill][skill]Sunspear Rebirth Signet[/skill]

Zeuki

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Join Date: Oct 2007

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Kentucky Fried Delak [KFD]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ
Hey, at least this build is Lyssa and not Balthazar. Mind you, it would be less "slightly amusing" and more "facepalm" if it were.

Anyway. In addition to what has been said above, Lyssa's Assault is overrated; if you really need an e-management skill, Zealous Sweep is better if you're facing more than one enemy, despite the high recycle. The mods you're talking about are good, although you might consider a Zealous scythe rather than Sundering if you're finding energy an issue (probably won't need e-management skills if so).

The other bonus is the Zealous equivalent is pretty easy to get - Droknar's Reaper has those stats and it's a GW:EN endgame weapon.

So... in a nutshell try this:
[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Radiant Scythe[/skill] ([skill]Zealous Sweep[/skill] or [skill]Wild Blow[/skill]) [skill]Eternal Aura[/skill][skill]Aura of Holy Might[/skill] ([skill]Heart of Holy Flame[/skill] is reasonable if you can't get AoHM) [skill]Heart of Fury[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill][skill]Sunspear Rebirth Signet[/skill] Thanks, I'll try this instead.

Marverick

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Lyssa's Assault is better than Zealous Sweep.

Zealous Sweep = gives 3 energy per enemy hit. Net loss of 2 with one enemy, net gain of 1 with 2, and net gain of 4 with 3. 10s recharge.

Lyssa's Assault = net gain of 3 energy. 8s recharge.

Obviously, with 2 or less enemies hit, Lyssa's Assault wins.


With 3 enemies hit, if each is used on recharge, that's around 0.3583 energy per second for Zealous Sweep, and 0.3273 energy per second for Lyssa's Assault.

*slightly* better for Zealous Sweep. However, for the other 90% of the time where you can't hit 3 enemies simultaneously, Lyssa's Assault wins.

So, Lyssa's Assault > Zealous Sweep


Also don't use Sunspear Rebirth Signet on melee characters, you don't want your backliners to rez on the frontline.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marverick
Also don't use Sunspear Rebirth Signet on melee characters, you don't want your backliners to rez on the frontline. Just like warriors stand in a mob using healing signet? Come on, you run to the backline or somewhere out of the way - res - then charge back in. Sunspear sig > everything else. I'll be happy to res my monk with full energy anyday.

Coloneh

Coloneh

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marverick
Lyssa's Assault is better than Zealous Sweep.
hu what? u serious?
Quote: Originally Posted by Marverick Zealous Sweep = gives 3 energy per enemy hit. Net loss of 2 with one enemy, net gain of 1 with 2, and net gain of 4 with 3. 10s recharge. why are you gitting one enemy? in PvE you should be hitting 2 or 3 all the time. in PvP you cant spare the skill bar space for either skill.
Quote: Originally Posted by Marverick Lyssa's Assault = net gain of 3 energy. 8s recharge. what are you talking about? at 14 scythe lyssa's returns 1 energy.
If you are running a superior rune, you need alot more explanation than i have time for.

Quote: Originally Posted by Marverick Obviously, with 2 or less enemies hit, Lyssa's Assault wins. no, with 1 or less. with 2 enemies both return 1 energy, but zealous does more damage. you should always be hitting more than 1 in PvE.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Marverick
With 3 enemies hit, if each is used on recharge, that's around 0.3583 energy per second for Zealous Sweep, and 0.3273 energy per second for Lyssa's Assault. bla bla bla, your numbers were wrong from the start.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marverick
*slightly* better for Zealous Sweep. However, for the other 90% of the time where you can't hit 3 enemies simultaneously, Lyssa's Assault wins. riiiiggggghhhttt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marverick
So, Lyssa's Assault > Zealous Sweep no

anyways, you dont need either if you have a zealous scythe.

Sirius-NZ

Sirius-NZ

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Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

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lol. This board is awesome.

I should note, if you're using Zealous Sweep you are going to try to use it against groups of enemies anyway, rather than just one where Lyssa's Assault has the advantage.

Yuhe Ji

Yuhe Ji

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Lyssa's Assault only provides 13 energy return at 16 scythe mastery. At 12 scythe mastery, it provides 10. I sincerely hope that no one is using a superior rune in a general purpose PvE build.

Terraban

Terraban

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Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuhe Ji
Lyssa's Assault only provides 13 energy return at 16 scythe mastery. At 12 scythe mastery, it provides 10. I sincerely hope that no one is using a superior rune in a general purpose PvE build. Why?

Warriors finish the game with [skill=text]Mending[/skill].

Besides, lower health makes Protective Spirit more effective :P.

Coloneh

Coloneh

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraban
Why?

Warriors finish the game with [skill=text]Mending[/skill].

Besides, lower health makes Protective Spirit more effective :P. you forgot your sarcasm tag!

Terraban

Terraban

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Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
you forgot your sarcasm tag! Actually, it deserves a cynical tag. It wasn't sarcasm because it is actually true, PvE is so pathetically easy that a superior rune really doesn't matter much, this point is even furthered by the amount of "l33t" Warriors that have finished all games with Mending.

great sir s

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mending owns though

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mending owns though That was original.

Pyro maniac

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Originally Posted by great sir s
mending owns though serious? found it rather bad, doesn't heal that much imo

Sir Pandra Pierva

Sir Pandra Pierva

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Join Date: Apr 2007

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Angels Of Strife

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Constant health regen pwns n00bzz

l3rn2play

frigging noobs all classes should go monk secondary and bring these 3 skills
[skill]healing breeze[/skill][skill]mending[/skill][skill]restore life[/skill]

anyone who doesn't isn't pro and needs to uninstall guildwars.
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also really go warrior secondary with a dervish and run wildblow or distracting

the lyssa build I like is

mystic sweep
ermite's attack
protectors strike
wildblow/distracting blow
ava of lyssa
aura of holy might
eternal aura
res

blue.rellik

blue.rellik

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Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyro maniac
serious? found it rather bad, doesn't heal that much imo You're obviously meant to use it with a +20% enchanting staff so it heals for 20% more

Axel Zinfandel

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

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Lose Judges and Retribution for Strength of Honor and Aura of Holy Might. Lose Lyssa for Vow of Strength, and Eternal for... something else. Asuran Scan if PvE

Just think about it :P. Your still doing Holy damage, added damage via SoH (of which is multiplied further by AoHM and VoS). It may not be as standard as your typical Derv builds, but I never did go for cookie cutter builds.

Sir Pandra Pierva

Sir Pandra Pierva

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Join Date: Apr 2007

Sardelec yelling at Tenshi

Angels Of Strife

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that really isn't all that original

Draginvry

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Join Date: Oct 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel
Lose Judges and Retribution for Strength of Honor and Aura of Holy Might. This would be a lot more effective. Retribution is kind of a waste when you can use Strength of Honor. And Judge's Insight just plain sucks because of the casting time, assuming it's still 2 seconds.

I run a Strength of Honor derv sometimes with Eremite's Attack and Mystic Sweep. It can be usefull in some areas to rack up a bit of extra damage, but it's not my preferred build.