This is a new build I thought up of. It's an RA build, so take that into account when you judge it.
I always wondered why the blood line was so lacking in the damage department. I noticed Vampiric Spirit and I wondered if I could pair it with the high energy cost life stealing skills. Turns out it was too energy intensive on a Necro, so I ran it on an Elementalist. The damage is pretty good, and if you are careful with energy and don't spam frivolously, you should be fine. The survivability of this build is good despite the fact that it's a squishy in the frontline.
[skill]Vampiric Spirit[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Blood Drinker[/skill][skill]Angorodon's Gaze[/skill][skill]Vampiric Gaze[/skill][skill]Unholy Feast[/skill][skill]Blood Renewal[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
Attributes are 12 Energy Storage and 12 Blood (add whatever runes you like)
Cast Vampiric Spirit and maintain Blood Renewal. Run in, cast Blood Drinker, Vampiric Gaze, Angorodon's Gaze, then Unholy Feast. Use Glyph of Lesser Energy, then cast Angorodon's Gaze, wait, then cast it again to bring your energy back up.
Maintain Blood Renewal and Vampiric Spirit at all times, but let Blood Renewal end if you badly need the heal. Beware of the sacrifice. Always make sure you are bleeding or suffering from a condition before casting Angorodon's Gaze.
Flame me or whatever, I don't care. And don't give me that bullcrap about Elementalists using mostly Necromancer skills. I've seen worse, and this build actually works.
I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't care.
runeseeker1
Arkantos
It seems you already know that your build is bad, so I guess I won't tell you why it is.
runeseeker1
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
It seems you already know that your build is bad, so I guess I won't tell you why it is.
I did not say it was bad. I said I was going to get flamed, because it's unorthodox. I knew the first flame would come from you, Mr. Cookie Cutter.
RhanoctJocosa
Arky stop stealing my glory. Cookie Cutter builds > bad ones
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by runeseeker1
I did not say it was bad. I said I was going to get flamed, because it's unorthodox. I knew the first flame would come from you, Mr. Cookie Cutter.
I'm sorry, I was under the impression that you knew it was going to get flamed because it was a bad build. I also fail to see why you're calling me mr.cookie cutter, because I don't run cookie cutter builds. I run builds that are good.
Also, I did not flame you, I said your build was bad, which is quite different. Next time you accuse someone of doing something, make sure they actually did it.
Also, I did not flame you, I said your build was bad, which is quite different. Next time you accuse someone of doing something, make sure they actually did it.
Terraban
This thread makes kittens sad....
And for the flames that you want....
And for the flames that you want....
netniwk
the problem(one of the many) with the build is that you need your necro in melee range to make it effective,casters will kite you and war/assa/dervs will own you.THe only way it may be effective is when the other team are four wammo's,and even they might outheal(lol) the pathetic dps.
runeseeker1
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Originally Posted by netniwk
the problem(one of the many) with the build is that you need your necro in melee range to make it effective,casters will kite you and war/assa/dervs will own you.THe only way it may be effective is when the other team are four wammo's,and even they might outheal(lol) the pathetic dps.
Just some numbers:
Vampiric Spirit steals 41 health
Vampiric Gaze steals 52 with 1 sec cast time
Angorodon's Gaze steals 63 with 1 sec cast time
Blood Drinker steals 56 with 2 sec cast time
Unholy Feast steals 54 from 3 foes in the area with 1 sec cast time
(All calculated at 12 Blood Magic)
Assuming I cast Vampiric Gaze, then Blood Drinker, then Angorodon's Gaze, then Unholy Feast on one target, I am stealing (52+41)+(56+41)+(63+41)+(54+41)=389 health in 5 seconds
Then i cast Vampiric and/or Angorodon's to finish them off. Do not assume that this build is pathetic without testing it. I have in RA (I designed it for RA) and it works. They won't own me, because I am stealing life, not just dealing damage. I also have Blood Renewal. If casters kite, I can still cast from far away. I mostly go for the melee, though. And besides, it's RA. You think that ele will kite? Maybe a monk, a mesmer, or rit, but not necro or ele.
BTW, this is an Elementalist forum, and I said that this was an ele (you could argue with the fact that I'm using mostly Necro skills, though).
Just some numbers:
Vampiric Spirit steals 41 health
Vampiric Gaze steals 52 with 1 sec cast time
Angorodon's Gaze steals 63 with 1 sec cast time
Blood Drinker steals 56 with 2 sec cast time
Unholy Feast steals 54 from 3 foes in the area with 1 sec cast time
(All calculated at 12 Blood Magic)
Assuming I cast Vampiric Gaze, then Blood Drinker, then Angorodon's Gaze, then Unholy Feast on one target, I am stealing (52+41)+(56+41)+(63+41)+(54+41)=389 health in 5 seconds
Then i cast Vampiric and/or Angorodon's to finish them off. Do not assume that this build is pathetic without testing it. I have in RA (I designed it for RA) and it works. They won't own me, because I am stealing life, not just dealing damage. I also have Blood Renewal. If casters kite, I can still cast from far away. I mostly go for the melee, though. And besides, it's RA. You think that ele will kite? Maybe a monk, a mesmer, or rit, but not necro or ele.
BTW, this is an Elementalist forum, and I said that this was an ele (you could argue with the fact that I'm using mostly Necro skills, though).
Terraban
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Originally Posted by runeseeker1
Just some numbers:
Vampiric Spirit steals 41 health
Vampiric Gaze steals 52 with 1 sec cast time
Angorodon's Gaze steals 63 with 1 sec cast time
Blood Drinker steals 56 with 2 sec cast time
Unholy Feast steals 54 from 3 foes in the area with 1 sec cast time
(All calculated at 12 Blood Magic)
Assuming I cast Vampiric Gaze, then Blood Drinker, then Angorodon's Gaze, then Unholy Feast on one target, I am stealing (52+41)+(56+41)+(63+41)+(54+41)=389 health in 5 seconds You forgot to factor in the .75 second aftercast.
You also forgot to factor in how easy it will be for them to walk away from you in your 9-10 second spamfest.
Don't get me wrong, I am sure you own Gladiator's Defense + Riposte Warriors, but really dude, come on.
Vampiric Spirit steals 41 health
Vampiric Gaze steals 52 with 1 sec cast time
Angorodon's Gaze steals 63 with 1 sec cast time
Blood Drinker steals 56 with 2 sec cast time
Unholy Feast steals 54 from 3 foes in the area with 1 sec cast time
(All calculated at 12 Blood Magic)
Assuming I cast Vampiric Gaze, then Blood Drinker, then Angorodon's Gaze, then Unholy Feast on one target, I am stealing (52+41)+(56+41)+(63+41)+(54+41)=389 health in 5 seconds You forgot to factor in the .75 second aftercast.
You also forgot to factor in how easy it will be for them to walk away from you in your 9-10 second spamfest.
Don't get me wrong, I am sure you own Gladiator's Defense + Riposte Warriors, but really dude, come on.
Amazing Stroopwafel
vamp spirit is crap since nearby is REALY nearby and that's a very tiny area,
it would be better if it had the same range as ice spear (It would still be crap but better) but it doesn't so your build sucks
it would be better if it had the same range as ice spear (It would still be crap but better) but it doesn't so your build sucks
Squishy ftw
I've seen a lot of awful stuff in RA but this sure is high on my list.
A ranger cripples you and you're useless.
They simply kite from you, and you're almost useless.
You run upto a *decent* warrior and he'll own your face badly.
You get outdpsed by even some of the worst warrior mending builds out there.
You're being a serious liability for your monk by being up front taking damage a caster shouldn't be taking.
Any decent sin wil 1..2..3..BOOM you.
You do nothing positive for your party, no utility at all. While an ele got some good skills available(wards, blind).
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So yes..pretty bad..
A ranger cripples you and you're useless.
They simply kite from you, and you're almost useless.
You run upto a *decent* warrior and he'll own your face badly.
You get outdpsed by even some of the worst warrior mending builds out there.
You're being a serious liability for your monk by being up front taking damage a caster shouldn't be taking.
Any decent sin wil 1..2..3..BOOM you.
You do nothing positive for your party, no utility at all. While an ele got some good skills available(wards, blind).
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So yes..pretty bad..
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by runeseeker1
Second - people don't blood nuke for a reason. It doesn't do very much damage, and your build has zero utility. I think there's a thread about why this is a bad idea in the necro forum right now.
Third, you're a messy combination of an angodoron's gaze guy (semi-good) and a touch ranger (semi-good), but in the end you're worse at both.
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I did not say it was bad. I said I was going to get flamed, because it's unorthodox. I knew the first flame would come from you, Mr. Cookie Cutter.
Just because you made a magical unique snowflake build that no one else uses does not mean it's good. In fact, it probably means that it's bad. Nobody else uses this for a very good reason.
Alex Morningstar
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Originally Posted by runeseeker1
[skill]Vampiric Spirit[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Blood Drinker[/skill][skill]Angorodon's Gaze[/skill][skill]Vampiric Gaze[/skill][skill]Unholy Feast[/skill][skill]Blood Renewal[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
[skill]Backfire[/skill][skill]Broad Head Arrow[/skill][skill]Power Block[/skill][skill]Savage Shot[/skill]
I hope you don't run into mesmers or rangers in RA.
I hope you don't run into mesmers or rangers in RA.
RotteN
just because you can list counters doesn't mean the build is bad ...
However, this build is bad for reasons mentioned above : simply because you have more energy, you're not solving any energy problems.
The bloodline is weak, live with it. Waisting your elite slot on a poor elite isn't going to change that.
Anything will "work" in RA, that doesn't make in a good build.
However, this build is bad for reasons mentioned above : simply because you have more energy, you're not solving any energy problems.
The bloodline is weak, live with it. Waisting your elite slot on a poor elite isn't going to change that.
Anything will "work" in RA, that doesn't make in a good build.
moko
U All Cookie Cutta Noobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Back To Pvxwiki Lolz
Tyla
It's a shame most of those skills are bad, like the blood line in general...
All that is good there is GoLE
EDIT: forgot to put res sig on my good list....im stupid >.>
All that is good there is GoLE
EDIT: forgot to put res sig on my good list....im stupid >.>
Squishy ftw
At least it has a [skill]resurrection signet[/skill]...
angmar_nite
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Originally Posted by runeseeker1
I have in RA (I designed it for RA) and it works.
Yay!
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runeseeker1
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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw
A ranger cripples you and you're useless.
They simply kite from you, and you're almost useless.
You run upto a *decent* warrior and he'll own your face badly.
You get outdpsed by even some of the worst warrior mending builds out there.
You're being a serious liability for your monk by being up front taking damage a caster shouldn't be taking.
Any decent sin wil 1..2..3..BOOM you.
You do nothing positive for your party, no utility at all. While an ele got some good skills available(wards, blind).
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So yes..pretty bad..
You also forget that this is lifestealing, and with a warrior, sin, or derv on me, I can survive fine, without a monk. You also forget that I am using Blood Renewal.
Most sins are narutards in RA so I'm not even going there.
I agree that I don't have utility, however, but judging from what I was trying to achieve, I'm not surprised there is none.
Quote: Originally Posted by RotteN just because you can list counters doesn't mean the build is bad ...
However, this build is bad for reasons mentioned above : simply because you have more energy, you're not solving any energy problems.
The bloodline is weak, live with it. Waisting your elite slot on a poor elite isn't going to change that.
Anything will "work" in RA, that doesn't make in a good build. I put GoLE in their for a reason. If I use GoLE with Angorodon's Gaze (assuming I am bleeding from Blood Drinker and I have Vampiric Spirit on) that is 18 energy-16=2. I gain 12. I can do that twice, if I wait a few seconds.
I do agree, however... the bloodline is weak, but I wanted to try this out for the hell of it, and it worked... Seems that no one is willing to try this out, though.
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Originally Posted by Alex Morningstar
[skill]Backfire[/skill][skill]Broad Head Arrow[/skill][skill]Power Block[/skill][skill]Savage Shot[/skill]
I hope you don't run into mesmers or rangers in RA. Rangers and Mesmers can counter mostly everything. I'm not going to pack a hex or condition removal just because I'm afraid of getting pwned by a ranger or mesmer. If I get Backfired, I kite. The Blood Renewal should keep me alive. Backfire's not constantly maintainable, and it doesn't last too long (~10 seconds). Mesmers don't run Power Block in RA. Never seen it. If they did though, I do agree that it would screw this build... and monks... and eles... and necros... and just about every build out there... Savage Shot... meh. If it interrupts something of mine, I don't care. I have 3 other lifesteals. I can wait for the recharge. BHA is a pain, yes, but that's when I kite. If I'm lucky, I can dodge the next BHA and kill him instead.
Squishy ftw
You shouldn't make a build to defeat the bad RA players, of course there are morons that don't kite until they got 100 health left. But you don't need a very good build to defeat those, now do you.
And again, a decent/good warrior will simply knocklock you for 6-9sec, and you will die. No doubt about it. And your 'damage' is far from high enough not to bring any form of utility for the party.
Sir Pandra Pierva
this build is exactly what I ran on a nec and had no problems with energy.
Also with your thing any decent vanilla air spammer can do better. Also its RA anything works there
Earth
I think you already know by now that it's bad.
You can't deny it. runeseeker1
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And again, a decent/good warrior will simply knocklock you for 6-9sec, and you will die. No doubt about it. And your 'damage' is far from high enough not to bring any form of utility for the party. |
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Originally Posted by Earth
I think you already know by now that it's bad.
You can't deny it. Don't post just for the hell of it. If you have constructive criticism, say it. If not, gtfo.
Squishy ftw
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Ofcourse I understand you can't make 100% sure you're not going to be knocked down.
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Originally Posted by runeseeker1
Am I supposed to model my build around that? Am I supposed to switch my secondary just because I want to bring Balanced Stance or Fleeting Stability? The only way for me to protect myself against that is to run blind, prevent kds, or block. What if I cannot do any of them? What if I am running a Fire ele and can't bring Blinding Flash, or Blinding Surge? Is my build suddenly bad because of that?
When I make an ele build I look at a few things:
- Can I help with spikes/deal a decent amount of damage? The only good part about your build lies here, your skills go through prots, but that's about it. They can however be easily outhealed, and you have to run up to touchrange to use them. - Do I help the party? For your build,the answer here is no, which primarily makes me to dislike it for RA. Whenever I play ele in RA I have either blind, aegis or ward against melee(mostly this one) with me because bringing just that 1 skill helps your party A LOT. - RES SIG, but you got this one :d So overall, I think your build is just.. bad.
Earth
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Originally Posted by runeseeker1
Don't post just for the hell of it. If you have constructive criticism, say it. If not, gtfo.
I'm sorry, but your build is just bad. It just is.
If you want to run an ele, do it with ele skills. Not 6 necro skills, 1 ele skill and a res signet. A blindbot would be much more useful to your team then this. It does... nothing. The damage is bad, you can't do pressure, you don't support your team in any way whatsoever. It's just bad :\
Ensign
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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw
You shouldn't make a build to defeat the bad RA players
What if you are also a bad player? Isn't a build that a bad player can use to beat other bad players useful?
Squishy ftw
You shouldn't make me think this hard, it hurts
 And it will be useful in matches where you'll have more bad players against you than good ones yes, I think :x
moriz
i think bad players would be more interested in a build that allows them to beat good players.
to the OP: i think you should just accept the fact that your build is not very good. this is not a flame; this is a fact.
ensoriki
You do know there are people on Guru who do play RA every once in awhile.
If you run into them, not only will you see that your build should be tossed in the garbage. But that Ensoriki Told you so. Want to make Blood Necro builds? 1st step, Play it on the Necro class. 2nd step, if its energy extensive, Go for ways around that, don't just switch the class. 3rd step, if it's very easily countered you may want to work through it again. 4th Step, if your playing in RA of course you'll win a few matches every now and again, possibly because the rest of your team is competent
ZenRgy
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Originally Posted by runeseeker1
YWhat if I am running a Fire ele and can't bring Blinding Flash, or Blinding Surge? Is my build suddenly bad because of that?
Actually mind blast bars can bring skills such as blinding flash due to the great amount of energy mind blast is able to yield.
Moloch Vein
Could someone tell me why the OP wants to run this on an elementalist?
Yichi
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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw
At least it has a [skill]resurrection signet[/skill]...
Probably the only good thing about that bar that was posted. Otherwise its complete crap.
Winterclaw
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Originally Posted by Ensign
What if you are also a bad player? Isn't a build that a bad player can use to beat other bad players useful?
A build that a bad player can use to beat a good player would be better.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Moloch Vein
Could someone tell me why the OP wants to run this on an elementalist?
Because energy storage is apparently better energy management than soul reaping, didn't you get the memo?
xDusT II
When I came to this thread I thought I had accidentally clicked on the Necromancer forums instead.
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YWhat if I am running a Fire ele and can't bring Blinding Flash, or Blinding Surge? Is my build suddenly bad because of that?
Apart from the fact that a fire ele can fit blinds on his bar, the main reason to run something different is because it offers capabilities that would not be possible in the build you were previously running. (Un)Fortunately you can't put everything that is good onto one bar. You have to decide what roles you can play on one character without it becoming a juggling act. The reason anyone would play hypothetical build X over build Y is because build X offers something useful to your current situation that build Y can't do. Besides, Guild Wars is not a game about builds. You can succeed with bad builds, but you really can't excel with them.
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If you want to spam lifestealing spells try Cultists fervor + massoshism with vamp gaze, angorodon's, lifebane etc ...
Ar least you won't run out of energy.
bhavv
OMG that bar is full of fail. End of discussion.
If you want to play elly in RA, Shatterstone > all. Period. Glyph of immolation Shatterstone Freezing gust Steam Slippery ground Glowing Ice Water attunement Res sig. Other alternatives to playing elly in RA - searing flames, savannah heat, invoke lightning, blinding surge, mind freeze, water trident. All good PVP elly builds are based on one of these elites, but for RA shatterstone rules all. Cookie cutter > you.
Kwan Xi
I'm a fan of gimmicky builds people come up with because I screw around with them in RA myself for fun.
As for your build if your truly going to use it since you gotta stay in melee range I would suggest replacing vampiric gaze with Vampiric Touch or Bite.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Kwan Xi
I'm a fan of gimmicky builds people come up with because I screw around with them in RA myself for fun.
As for your build if your truly going to use it since you gotta stay in melee range I would suggest replacing vampiric gaze with Vampiric Touch or Bite. vamp touch and bite aren't spells.
Kwan Xi
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
vamp touch and bite aren't spells.
oh yeah.... thats right... ok forget what I said then
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