Hi there!
(I dont know if it is already done / posted but I didnt found it)
I wanna "make" / ask for a list of bosses that are near to a gate from an outpost or just entering a zone (easy runs), so we can re-do the farm till we get the item or full inventory ... whatever comes first hehe.
I dont think things as zehnelun are "near-to-gate" as u have to pass a group of foes first. I mean that the first group includes the boss so it's a kill-em-n-go run.
This could be a leading list to E/A, A/E and other professions for the players. I mean "where i could go with my E/A?... worth passing the storyline of factions till.... vasburg armory to farm?".
Yeah I could do it by myself... but.... it will be a lot of work them hehehehehe. Better using some help from others :P
Well flame me if this is posted (or... worthless) or ... well ... put another one foe so I try to add it to list :P.
I though about...:
(REGION)
BOSS NAME
OUTPOST (Gate to go through to farm)
FARMABLE: Yes/No/¿? (PROF.)
Current found bosses (:P):
Prophecies:Ulrik The Undefeated Elementalist(Only for tyrian Mesmers)
From Yak's Bend (Need's the quest 'The Stone Summit Champion')
Farmable: Yes (55, /Me with Backfire)
Being edited & thinking about em to put in good style/format :P
Cobble Poundstone
From Sardelac Sanitarium (Sometimes doesn't spawn)
Farmable: Yes (Nearly anything)
Flint Touchstone
From Sardelac Sanitarium (Sometimes doesn't spawn)
Farmable: Yes (Nearly anything)
Bonetti
From Sardelac Sanitarium (Sometimes doesn't spawn)
Farmable: Yes (Nearly anything)
Krogg Shmush
From: Droknar's Forge
Farmable: Yes (need to be able to get past the trolls)
Whuup Buumbuul
From: Droknar's Forge
Farmable: Yes (need to be able to get past the trolls)
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Factions:
Silent Ancient Onata (Assassin)
Raisu Palace (Explorable): enter from Imperial Sanctum
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Sword Ancient Kai (Warrior)
Raisu Palace (Explorable) (start Raisu Palace Mission & bring argo and danika)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/ Death Blossom)
Ritualist construct Ritualist
From Unwaking waters (Morostav Trail exit)
Farmable: Yes (A/E , E/A)
Strongroot Tanglebranch Warrior
From Unwaking waters (Morostav Trail exit)
Farmable: Yes (E/A) maybe u have to kill the first boss for double farming
Jin the Skull Bow Ranger
Sunqua Valley (entering from Kinya Province)
Farmable: Yes ( N/M )
Scourgewind, Elder Guardian Monk
Leviathan Pits
Farmable: Yes, e/a green farmer
Tomton Spiriteater Ritualist
Mount Qinkai (Aspenwood Gate (Luxon) Exit)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Scar Eater Monk
Eternal Grove (The Vasburg Armory Exit)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E, A/Mo Video)
Rahse windcatcher Elementalist
mourning veil falls (from Durheim archives)
Farmable: Yes (E/A)
Byzzr wingmender Monk
melandrus hope (from Lutgardis)
Farmable: Yes ( N/Mo, Mo/N, N/me , mo/me 55hp sv,...)
Woe Spreader Necromancer
Maishang Hills (from Gyala Hatchery and/or Eroden Terrace).
Farmable: Yes (A/E, E/A)
Darkroot Entrop Assassin
Mourning Veil Falls (from Amatz Basin)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Arbor Earthcall Elementalist
Morostav Trail: Leave from Durheim Archives
Farmable: Yes (55hp Mo/N, N/Mo Earth Ele)
Cultist MilthuranNecromancer
Rhea's Crater (from The Aurios Mines)
Farmable: Yes (E/A ONLY, damage buff skills are needed to make sliver armor suffice)
Wiseroot Shatterstone Elementalist
Eternal Grove (The Vasburg Armory Exit)
Farmable: Yes (55, Ob Flesh Earth Ele..... Video Video 2)
Sunreach Warmaker Warrior
Morostav Trail: Leave from Durheim Archives
Farmable: Yes (A/E)
Seacrash, Elder Guardian Elementalist
Maishang Hills (From Bai Passu)
Farmable: Yes (E/Me OB Flesh w/ full empathy)
Notes: buff with stonestriker and mantra of earth, pull with flat or long bow. run back the way you came from until Seacrash breaks aggro. Buff up and farm away. recommend HM.
Stsou Swiftscale Ranger
Maishang Hills(From Gyala Hatchery)
Farmable: Yes (Me/E Panic/Empathy/Spirit Shackles)
Notes: will need to run by 2 groups. tricky but easily done. wait till lone naga archer seperates from group, pull with flat or longbow. run/ dodge and hide behind rocks the way you came. Recommend killing archers first Stsou last, drops seem to be better. HM also
Sourbeak Rotshell: Necromancer
Silent Surf (from Unwaking Waters Luxon)
Farmable: Yes(E/Me OB Flesh w/ full empathy)
Notes: Be sure to "Turn On" the Outcast group here , when dead farm away.
Radiation Field speeds the process. recommend HM.
Kenrii Sea Sorrow: Mesmer
Silent Surf (from Unwaking Waters Luxon)
Farmable: Yes(E/Me OB Flesh w/ full empathy)
Notes: Do not get in melee range of Saltsprays their Lightning Touch hurts. Be wary of Leviathan Claws. Move to avoid aggro, they have melee interrupts.
Also if you aggro Leviathan Mouths, don't move. They have an attack that causes bleeding if it hits while you are moving. Recommend HM.
Chkkr Brightclaw: Ritualist
Melandru's Hope (from Jade Flats Kurzick)
Farmable: Yes (Me/E Panic/Empathy/Spirit Shackles)
Notes: Run past Chkkr down the steps wait for Dragon Moss group to leave AND COMEBACK. Follow Dragon Moss group back up the steps. Immediately pull Chkkr with Long or Flatbow and move behind protrusion on the steps. You dont have much time because the patrol will be back. Aneursym is a good finishing spell. Recommend HM
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Nightfall:
Dunshek the Purifier Monk
The Shattered Ravines (from Lair of the Forgotten)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Jishol Darksong Paragon
From Honur Hill (Resplendent Makuun exit)
Farmable: Yes ( A, M/N, N/M)
Eshim Mindclouder Mesmer
Sunward Marches (Dajkah Inlet Exit)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Lunto Sharpfoot Assassin
Marga Coast (Nundu Bay Exit)
Farmable: Yes (with Mo/N, N/Mo, A/E)
Birneh Skybringer Elementalist
Sunward Marches (From Dajkah Inlet)
Farmable: Yes (E/A)
Exuro Flatus Elementalist
Realm of Torment (From gate of madness)
Farmable: Yes E/A A/E 55hp monk 130hp derv
Hajkor, Mystic Flame Elementalist
Sulfurous Wastes (from Remains of Sahlahja)
Farmable: Yes (E/A)
Bolten Largebelly Ranger
Forum Highlands (from Kodash Bazaar)
Farmable: Yes (E/A)
Onslaught of Terror Dervish
Nightfallen Jahai (From Gate of the Nightfallen Lands (may need to run through a mob, use dash to break aggro))
Farmable: Yes (E/A)
Flame of Fervor Monk
Domain of Fear (from Gate of Fear)
Farmable: Yes (E/A)
Keshel the Voracious Monk
Blacktide Den (From Cliffs of Dohjok)
Farmable: Yes (55 with blood skills)
Admiral Kaya Assassin
The Floodplain of Mahnkelon (From Kodonur Crossroads)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Yammiron, Ether Lord Mesmer
The Mirror of Lyss(from The Kodash Bazaar)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Rual, Stealer of Hope Mesmer
The Ruptured Heart (from Mouth of Torment)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Seed of Suffering Ranger
Domain of Fear (from Gate of Secrets)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Fahralon the Zealous Dervish
Domain of Pain (from Gate of Fear)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Vahlen the Silent Dervish
The Sulfurous Wastes (from Gates of Desolation)
Farmable: Yes (Dervish 130hp)
Bubahl Icehands Dervish
Marga Coast (from Nundu Bay)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Terob Roundback (Necromancer)
The Floodplain of Mahnkelon (From Rilohn Refuge)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
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GW EoTN:
Rekoff Broodmother Assassin
Riven Earth (from Rata Sum)
Farmable: Yes (E/A)
Johon the Oxflinger Ranger
Ice Cliff Chasms, leave from Eye of the North
Farmable: Yes (E/A,N/Mo, Mo/N, A/D Death Blossom)
Horai Wingshielder Monk
Dalada Uplands, leave from Doomlore Shrine
*note* use Expunge Enchantments on him to remove SoR after you cast all of your enchantments
Farmable: Yes (E/A)
Thanks to ( :P )
Abonai Laguna
Fuji
Poisoned Hunter
Zydonis
wrath of words
Morzan Murtangh
Shure
Marverick
royal mercenary
Soulless Warhawk
blue.rellik
deank81
Kerwyn Nasilan
makosi
Babba Bum
Mr.Kotte
Dr dimento
DarklingKiller
Rak Orius
blue.rellik
searer
List of "near-to-gate" bosses
ragnagard
Abonai Laguna
Factions
Scourgewind, Elder Guardian
Leviathan Pits
Farmable: Yes, e/a green farmer
Scourgewind, Elder Guardian
Leviathan Pits
Farmable: Yes, e/a green farmer
fujin
Factions
Tomton Spiriteater
Mount Qinkai (Aspenwood Gate (Luxon) Exit)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Tomton Spiriteater
Mount Qinkai (Aspenwood Gate (Luxon) Exit)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Poisoned Hunter
Factions
Scar Eater
Eternal Grove (The Vasburg Armory Exit)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Nightfall
Eshim Mindclouder
Sunward Marches (Dajkah Inlet Exit)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Nightfall
Lunto Sharpfoot
Marga Coast (Nundu Bay Exit)
Farmable: Maybe (with Mo/N or A/E)
Scar Eater
Eternal Grove (The Vasburg Armory Exit)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Nightfall
Eshim Mindclouder
Sunward Marches (Dajkah Inlet Exit)
Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
Nightfall
Lunto Sharpfoot
Marga Coast (Nundu Bay Exit)
Farmable: Maybe (with Mo/N or A/E)
macke
Briliant idea, gogo 
Zydonis
Nightfall
Birneh Skybringer
Sunward Marches (From Dajkah Inlet)
Farmable: Yes (E/A)
Birneh Skybringer
Sunward Marches (From Dajkah Inlet)
Farmable: Yes (E/A)
wrath of words
rahse windcatcher, leave from durheim archives into mourning veil falls, dont know builds, but i think e/a
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by Zydonis
Nightfall
Birneh Skybringer Sunward Marches (From Dajkah Inlet) Farmable: Yes (E/A) mmm well... you have to go through several groups of foes (1 or 2) .... but i will add it anyways :P nielsbr
E/A like the build to farm raptors ?
angmar_nite
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Originally Posted by ragnagard
mmm well... you have to go through several groups of foes (1 or 2) .... but i will add it anyways :P Aggro can be avoided.
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by wrath of words
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Quote: Originally Posted by nielsbr E/A like the build to farm raptors ? E/A, A/E with shiver armor is the build i think that could be treated as standard.
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Originally Posted by angmar_nite
Aggro can be avoided.
Explained by me before:
"I dont think things as zehnelun are "near-to-gate" as u have to pass a group of foes first. I mean that the first group includes the boss so it's a kill-em-n-go run." I put it anyways because I know it could be a fast killing farm and it could be useful in the list :P And BTW, thanks for the good feedback ^^ Morzan Murtangh
Nightfall
Exuro Flatus -Exuro's Will Realm of Torment From gate of madness Farmable: Yes E/A A/E 55hp monk 130hp derv shure
EOTN:
Johon the Oxflinger -Johon's longbow Ice cliff chasms From Eye of the north Farmable: Yes 55hp monk/n or n/mo with spoil victor (probably with other proffs too, but i only farm as monk) Here is the map from wiki.http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Image...linger_map.jpg You can run to him between group of Ice imps and Chilling wisps. Just start casting one of your enchants, wolf will interrupt you, than cast spoil victor on boss. i did it 5 times, i got req 9 gold bronze crusher on my first run.
Marverick
Rahse Windcatcher is farmable with E/A.
For Nightfall: - Hajkor, Mystic Flame Sulfurous Wastes, leave from Remains of Sahlahja - Bolten Largebelly Forum Highlands, leave from Kodash Bazaar - Onslaught of Terror Nightfallen Jahai, leave from Gate of the Nightfallen Lands (may need to run through a mob, use dash after a shadowstep to break aggro) - Flame of Fervor Domain of Fear, leave from Gate of Fear, walk counterclockwise to him to avoid the mob - Shrieker of Dread Domain of Fear, leave from Gate of Fear (may need to run through a mob, use dash after a shadowstep to break aggro) - Dunshek the Purifier Shattered Ravines, leave from Lair of the Forgotten Eye of the North: - Rekoff Broodmother Riven Earth, leave from Rata Sum - Johon the Oxflinger Ice Cliff Chasms, leave from Eye of the North - Horai Wingshielder Dalada Uplands, leave from Doomlore Shrine *note* use Expunge Enchantments on him to remove SoR after you cast all of your enchantments These are all farmed with E/A. A/E might be doable for some but will lack the damage to kill many of them. Arnack
Haha wonderful. I was waiting for something like this.
royal mercenary
great idea,
melandrus hope byzzr wingmender farmable, yes n/me , mo/me 55hp sv leave out of lutgardis
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by Arnack
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Originally Posted by royal mercenary
great idea
Yeah... we maybe get also a sticky from this post :P (just kiding). We are getting a 'big' "near-to-gate" boss list in less than 24 hours!, amazing!
kudos to everyone that posted so far :P Aqualung
It would be a nice idea putting the class of the boss near its name.
Kerwyn Nasilan
Dont know about Farming but there is a warrior boss right outside by the Ritulist Construct.
chowmein69
Woe spreader is easy to farm with an a/e right outside eroden terrance
blue.rellik
Nightfall
Keshel the Voracious From Blacktide Den (Cliffs of Dohjok exit) Farmable: Yes (55 with blood skills) Prophecies Ulrik The Undefeated From Yak's Bend (Need's the quest 'The Stone Summit Champion') Farmable: Yes (55, /Me with Backfire)
Lhim
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Originally Posted by Soulless Warhawk
Woe spreader is easy to farm with an a/e right outside eroden terrance
He's in Maishang Hills. You can also reach him by leaving from Gyala Hatchery (in case you haven't mapped Eroden Terrace). It's an easy run, you will only have to run past some Kappas.
makosi
Nightfall
Dunshek the Purifier [Monk] The Shattered Ravines (Just south-west of Lair of the Forgotten Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E) Factions Darkroot Entrop Mourning Veil Falls (Outside of Amatz Basin) Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E)
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by Aqualung
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thanks for the suggestion.If there's a typo or class error, feel free to tell me, so I'll update this hehe.
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Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan
Dont know about Farming but there is a warrior boss right outside by the Ritulist Construct.
Yes, it's "Strongroot Tanglebranch", an "easy farming" boss. but you have to kill the first mob (maybe including the rit boss to get near him), i think. As someone farmed (at least once) this boss on youtube I will accept it :P.
Could be farmed with a 600hp monk + smiter... but you need a perfect spawn with no afflicted rits, no afflicted rangers, no afflicted necros and luck :P. Rit construct cant be farmed this way... yet I think I should end the 3 games + exp with my ele soon! :P. too much bosses i cannot farm (yet) Babba Bum
Nightfall
Admiral Kaya(Assasin) The Floodplain of Mahnkelon:Leave from Kodonur Crossroads Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E) Yammiron, Ether Lord (Mesmer) The Mirror of Lyss: Leave from The Kodash Bazaar Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E) Rual, Stealer of Hope(Mesmer) The Ruptured Heart: Leave from Mouth of Torment Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E) Seed of Suffering(Ranger) Domain of Fear : Leave from Gate of Sectrets Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E) Fahralon the Zealous(Dervish) Domain of Pain: Leve from Gate of Fear Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E) Vahlen the Silent(Dervish) The Sulfurous Wastes: Leave from gatesof Desolation Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E) Bubahl Icehands(Dervish) Marga Coast: Leave from Nundu Bay Farmable: Yes (E/A or A/E) Factions Arbor Earthcall(Elementalist) Morostav Trail: Leave from Durheim Archives Farmable: Yes (55hp Mo/N, N/Mo Earth Ele)
Mr.Kotte
Factions:
Cultist Milthuran(Necromancer) Rhea's Crater, leave from The Aurios Mines Farmable: Yes (E/A ONLY, damage buff skills are needed to make sliver armor suffice) Dr Dimento
Factions
Wiseroot Shatterstone (Elementalist) About a 12 second run from "The Scar Eater" outside of Vasburg Armory. Farmable: 55, Ob Flesh Earth Ele..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQe6FYT3owY With a 55 ele, you can farm both scar eater and shatterstone in about a 3 to 4 minute run.
Marverick
Vahlen the Silent is doable with E/A?
I'm pretty sure [skill=text]Shield of Absorption[/skill] and [skill=text]Signet of Judgment[/skill] will screw you over.
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by Marverick
Vahlen the Silent is doable with E/A?
I'm pretty sure [skill=text]Shield of Absorption[/skill] and [skill=text]Signet of Judgment[/skill] will screw you over. I think that you will get fried :P. I added it as the only video I found on the net: Dervish 130hp. If there are texts (or better, videos) probing that it could be killed by other ways I will update it :P. DarklingKiller
Sunreach Warmaker is close. Located in Morostav Trail, Durheim Archives is right next to him. He is easily soloable with an E/A or A/E. Maybe have to run through a mob to get to him though. Can also farm the assassin boss next to him in the same run.
Babba Bum
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Originally Posted by ragnagard
I think that you will get fried :P. I added it as the only video I found on the net: Dervish 130hp. If there are texts (or better, videos) probing that it could be killed by other ways I will update it :P.
I have no vid, and cant do one, but here are screens... if you want i will show you ingame
NM http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw117yc8.jpg HM http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw116dm7.jpg Rak Orius
Seacrash, Elder Guardian: Elementalist
Leave from Bai Passu Build: OB Flesh Earth Ele/ Mes secondary w/empathy 12 dom Notes: buff with stonestriker and mantra of earth, pull with flat or long bow. run back the way you came from until Seacrash breaks aggro. Buff up and farm away. recommend HM. Stsou Swiftscale: Ranger Leave from Gyala Hatchery Build: Me/E Panic/Empathy/Spirit Shackles - basic e-denial Notes: will need to run by 2 groups. tricky but easily done. wait till lone naga archer seperates from group, pull with flat or longbow. run/ dodge and hide behind rocks the way you came. Recommend killing archers first Stsou last, drops seem to be better. HM also Sourbeak Rotshell: Necromancer Leave from Unwaking Waters Luxon Build: E/Me OB Flesh Earth Ele/Me secondary w/empathy 12 dom Notes: Be sure to "Turn On" the Outcast group here , when dead farm away. Radiation Field speeds the process. recommend HM. Kenrii Sea Sorrow: Mesmer Everything is exactly the same as the Sourbeak Rotshell farm. Kenrii is about 4 aggro bubbles away from where Sourbeak patrols. Notes: Do not get in melee range of Saltsprays their Lightning Touch hurts. Be wary of Leviathan Claws. Move to avoid aggro, they have melee interrupts. Also if you aggro Leviathan Mouths, don't move. They have an attack that causes bleeding if it hits while you are moving. Recommend HM. Chkkr Brightclaw: Ritualist Leave from Jade Flats Kurzick Build: Me/E Panic/Empathy/Spirit Shackles - basic e-denial Notes: Run past Chkkr down the steps wait for Dragon Moss group to leave AND COMEBACK. Follow Dragon Moss group back up the steps. Immediately pull Chkkr with Long or Flatbow and move behind protrusion on the steps. You dont have much time because the patrol will be back. Aneursym is a good finishing spell. Recommend HM Dr Dimento
Wiseroot Shatterstone & The Scar Eater have been mentioned already....but here's a nice updated video.
They both get farmed in HM by a 135hp E/Mo in a single 3 minute run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhtKUxH3S8U
blue.rellik
Prophecies
Cobble Poundstone From Sardelac Sanitarium (Sometimes doesn't spawn) Farmable: Yes (Nearly anything) Flint Touchstone From Sardelac Sanitarium (Sometimes doesn't spawn) Farmable: Yes (Nearly anything) Bonetti From Sardelac Sanitarium (Sometimes doesn't spawn) Farmable: Yes (Nearly anything) Krogg Shmush From: Droknar's Forge Farmable: Yes (need to be able to get past the trolls) Whuup Buumbuul From: Droknar's Forge Farmable: Yes (need to be able to get past the trolls)
Searer
Johon the Oxflinger can be done with A/D Death Blossom Farm.
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by Babba Bum
I have no vid, and cant do one, but here are screens... if you want i will show you ingame
NM http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw117yc8.jpg HM http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw116dm7.jpg Yeah, I trust your images hehe, I dont need the in-game demo... although it should be great hehe. I will update it then. And if you can make a video it would be greater. Not for me only but for the people who like "tutorials" on farming X boss (of course it will be listed). I think i will update the list from here to afternoon (Yeah too much things to do hehe and I am a bit asleep yet). Btw and before listing them.... how do you think I should put the prophecies bosses? I mean... this is a list to answer questions like "i need a elementalist boss to farm quick & easy... where?" (or that was my intention :P). Proph bosses have "always" random location so we can get a warrior instead the beautiful ele we wanted. What looks better: each boss with the note "maybe it doesnt spawn here man!" or listing them as "Sardelac Sanitarium farm spot. Posible bosses are: ....(LIST as always)...."? Help about this will be appreciated hehe Dr Dimento
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What looks better: each boss with the note "maybe it doesnt spawn here man!" or listing them as "Sardelac Sanitarium farm spot. Posible bosses are: ....(LIST as always)...."?
Just make the actual name of the boss a link to its corresponding Wiki page. That already explains it's a shared/inconsistent spawn, and it *USUALLY* has the route to the boss from the nearest gate mapped.
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Wakka
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Originally Posted by ragnagard
Yes, it's "Strongroot Tanglebranch", an "easy farming" boss. but you have to kill the first mob (maybe including the rit boss to get near him), i think. As someone farmed (at least once) this boss on youtube I will accept it :P.
Could be farmed with a 600hp monk + smiter... but you need a perfect spawn with no afflicted rits, no afflicted rangers, no afflicted necros and luck :P. Rit construct cant be farmed this way... yet I think I should end the 3 games + exp with my ele soon! :P. too much bosses i cannot farm (yet) Its much easier to do so with a Touch Ranger, you can farm both no problem. Also for the Rit Construct if your having trouble, pull the mob back into the Kurzick's at the res shrine.
ragnagard
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Originally Posted by Wakka
Its much easier to do so with a Touch Ranger, you can farm both no problem.
Also for the Rit Construct if your having trouble, pull the mob back into the Kurzick's at the res shrine. Truly? I must try em with my ranger then hehe. You say that this could be done in NM, HM or both? Feeling curious about this :P
Wakka
Not to sure if it can be done in HM to be honest.
Can take a few tries to get the hang of it but its pretty easy. |
