A.net just reset the Favour of European Server

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

We have 27k minutes again already so I don't really think it matters...

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by garethporlest18
We have 27k minutes again already so I don't really think it matters...
People misunderstand threads as always, its not about the amount of time lost.

Its about why it happend? How did it happen? Is there a limit?

People, me included are interested to know.

I for one is not QQing.

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Its about why it happend?
Integer overflow.

Quote:
Is there a limit?
35791.3941 minutes. Then it starts from zero again.

Etta

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

35791.3941 minutes? Really? Where's that information come from?

Tatile

Tatile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Stygian Disciples of Tenebrasus

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Etta
35791.3941 minutes? Really? Where's that information come from?
I believe a couple of calculations made earlier in this thread, based on computer-mathemactics.

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

Still want to hear it from the horse's mouth so to speak ^^

Songbringer

Songbringer

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

EastCoast

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by garethporlest18
They better give us at least 35k minutes if the cap is there. It'd be fair since those people worked for it. Lame, lame. Oh and the WTF Favor! threads spammed as fast as the title haha.



they didn't work for the favor they worked for the max title. And probably 80% of those people wouldn't have got the title maxed if they didn't make the event. So why should they give something back to us that was just a coincidence of those players who only play the events

pakhavit

pakhavit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Florida

Thai Alliance

R/Mo

God doesn't have that much favor xD

Chicken Ftw

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Songbringer
they didn't work for the favor they worked for the max title.
Agreed. Saying people maxed their titles for favor is like saying people played HA for it. It's just a side bonus for something they were going to do anyway, really. There may be a few more exceptions to this, but for most, it's true.

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Am I the only that noticed that the price for rubies and sapphires had fallen while everyone was farming for titles and not only was the favor reset but so was the price for rubies and sapphires (back up to the standard 5.5k and 3.3k). The price of rubies and sapphires should be effected because the place people farm to the titles is also the place where rubies, sapphires, jeweled daggers, and ruby daggers / mauls drop.

Kind of upset since I bought 10 rubies at 4.1k ea then went to bed thinking the price would be even lower in the morning. Logged back on in the morning to find the price reset and the price seemed to be fixed and did not come down for two days. Was really hopping to buy the 48 rubies and sapphires I needed for all my armor.

mr_groovy

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

pfff takes a while to make an official statement doesn't it >.>

I think anet thought paterns are: Ooops, oh well they already have 28K favor. No need for them to have 50K+.

I guess they are working reaaaaaaal hard on GW2....

The Legg

The Legg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

RAF Lyneham, UK

We Are Gozu ( Gozu )

N/Me

So no official word yet from anet?

Pretty disrespectful to its client base in my opinion.

Mixie

Mixie

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

GV

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antheus
Isn't GW supposed to be dying, or be dead already, or something like that?
Not just yet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antheus
No, seriously, the drama is way out of proportions over this.
BTW: you're appear to be still playing, which means the game is fine as it is.
Seriously you have totally missed the point here which is in constant and persistent changing of should-be-rules.
Sure i`m playing - this is a great game. I just don`t want to see it ruined.

flclisgreat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

been using this avatar IRL for ever

No I Wont join your guild[stfu]

D/

i am willing to bet there will be no "official" response of any kind.

only two options i see in one

A: yeah sorry we f*cked up, didnt expect that much favor and we wernt prepared. no way to get it back either=QQ zomg we worked for that favor, we earned it give it back

B: yeah we deleted it. what are you going to do about it?=same as option A


edit: forgot option C

C: say absolutely nothing. no one screams foul

Wyldchild777

Wyldchild777

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

State of Confusion

Lords Of The Dragons Dine [LORD]

Mo/Me

Greetings,

Well, frankly I just want them (ANet) to fix the favor bug. I don't really care if we (the players) get our favor back or not, because I am pretty much convinced that we won't anyway, regardless of how polite a spin ANet puts on it. Just please ANet, fix the damn bug that caused the loss of favor time in the first place (and let us, the players, know that you did).

Then again, prepare for the bad, expect the worst - if ANet comments on this at all, it will probably be along the lines of "blahblahblah looking into it blahblahblah too complex to fix blahblahblah Guild Wars 2 blahblahblah new <weapons/mini/hat>", and then hope the issue gets swept under the rug, where their silence on this issue suggests they want it anyway.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray on 01-20-08
I relayed the situation about Noon today. Sent an email to a full team; contacted the QA manager on IM so that he'd know what was going on. I've no response yet to the email, which makes sense because this is a Sunday.

I am sure we'll know more tomorrow and when we have information about this, I'll pass it along.
Merry meet, merry met, merry meet again,
Wyldchild777

stretchs

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

In the end it doesnt matter, good gracious, you have another 19 days of favor without adding any new titles, get past it, when the tv station (cable or satellite customers in particular) you are watching has an issue, do they send you a message to tell you what is up?

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Still want to hear it from the horse's mouth so to speak ^^
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fates Monk
Did you just call Gaile a horse?
Dang, Firebat, you're in big trouble now!

I did comment upon this, but I realize that not everyone reads every point of contact, so here are those answers and comments:
  • Yes, player theory was right in this particular case -- good detective work, guys! -- and the reset was due to a 16-bit ceiling on the code.
  • We will fix it so that it does not happen yet.
  • We will not restore the Favor, since in less than a day it was nearly back to the numbers it had reached before the reset.
  • And when asked whether we will put a cap on Favor, the fact is we don't have set limitations in mind for the future, even while it is true that the enthusiasm that players showed during our Double Lightbringer and Sunspear Points Weekend exceeded our expectations. It seems that players will be reaping the benefits of this exuberance for weeks to come.

flclisgreat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

been using this avatar IRL for ever

No I Wont join your guild[stfu]

D/

and let the QQ commence!

Turtle222

Turtle222

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

:D:D

D/W

We (Europeans) must have pissed off the gods...

Balthazar: *OMG WHO HATE MY CAKE....IM LOOKING AT YOU RURIK!*

Bo Fairfield

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

Mu Tants [MU]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
in computers there is max limit to everything.

max limit to signet int happens to be 32768 (which is muner of minutes where favor reset), if anet programer used it to store favor guess what happens ...
actually, it is 32767.
at least, in the language I use, because it allows 0 as well.(vb)


Quote:
Originally Posted by Antheus
35791.3941 minutes. Then it starts from zero again.
Why would they bother wasting space on the .3941? I'd just use an integer or long instead.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by flclisgreat
i am willing to bet there will be no "official" response of any kind.

only two options i see in one

A: yeah sorry we f*cked up, didnt expect that much favor and we wernt prepared. no way to get it back either=QQ zomg we worked for that favor, we earned it give it back

B: yeah we deleted it. what are you going to do about it?=same as option A


edit: forgot option C

C: say absolutely nothing. no one screams foul
You also forgot option D: Yeah we screwed up (as Galie has since said is correct) but we can give back the favor. You see, it would be VERY easy to just add 35k favor to the existing number, and we would be right back to what it was before. Heck, they know the number down the to thousandths of a second when the favor was reset. It would be very possible to just take the 28k we have, and add another 35.90whatever k to it.

Fil Arun

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

The Gear Trick

E/Me

Or, if the problem actually is variable rollover, they may have to wait until the current favor boils down.

Roland of Gilead

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

N/

The current maximum favor is 34,999 minutes. Favor has been at 34,999 and when another title maxing was announced, it didn't go up any more. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Image:FavorScreen.jpg

edit: Favor is currently hovering just below 34,999, so every few minutes the cap is hit, for independent confirmation.

ProgTes

ProgTes

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

Under that rock.

We Demand A Shrubbery [Ni]

W/E

I actually got a screenshot of it reaching 35k, but it jumped back instantly:



Very odd.

Roland of Gilead

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

N/

Confirmed, I kept /favor ready in the chat bar and hit it as soon as maxing was announced. It was at 35,000 and another /favor command later it was at 34,999.

Edit: This limit seems to have been placed consciously, as it cannot be explained by merely technical limits such as primitive data structures (int or long, signed or unsigned). That also means that ANet has been fully aware of the favor limit and they just decided that 35k should be enough for anybody.

flclisgreat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

been using this avatar IRL for ever

No I Wont join your guild[stfu]

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
You also forgot option D: Yeah we screwed up (as Galie has since said is correct) but we can give back the favor. You see, it would be VERY easy to just add 35k favor to the existing number, and we would be right back to what it was before. Heck, they know the number down the to thousandths of a second when the favor was reset. It would be very possible to just take the 28k we have, and add another 35.90whatever k to it.
nope i didn't forget. that option would have been the option to make everyone happy, and thus the option they wouldn't do

Croco Clouds

Croco Clouds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Montreal, QC, Canada

Divine Illumination [LaZy]

E/A

I am sure some guild/alliance did this on purpose... they want favor to be erased just for fun...

Chicken Ftw

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by flclisgreat
nope i didn't forget. that option would have been the option to make everyone happy, and thus the option they wouldn't do
Actually, I'm pretty sure that a lot of us don't even give a shit about the favor lost. Look how much we still have. I'm content with 35k mins, that's plenty.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

A/

yea no kidding 35k left with people still getting titles...wer gunna hold favor for a looooong time ..