ok so the reason that anet has to abandon guild wars and move on to guild wars 2 is because they couldn't possibly keep releasing different campaigns because eventually they would of probably reached there 20th campaign making the game extremely bloated and many problems would come, so they say there fixing this problem by releasing expansions and mini-expansions instead of different games but wont that create the same problem?
here is an example:
guild wars 2 is released and years later they have released many expansions there up to there 1000nd expansion and now retail stores have removed the first 500 expansions from the shelves so now people who cant use online payments have no chance to expand the game and arena net loses profit!!
so wont guild wars 2 also become extremely bloated with this business model?
now that guild wars 2 has gotten to full of expansions they have to start over again and create a guild wars 3 with the same business model which will eventually lead to a guild wars 4,5,6,7,8,9.
so what can arena net do to make guild wars 2 a permanent game like a way they can upgrade the games graphics without creating a new game?
if you think im crazy please give constructive criticism without the need for flaming and bashing.
will there be a need for guild wars 3?
warcrap
g4wing689
you are crazy... they can keep the game running just by releasing new areas or new towns, it doesnt have to be a new expansion
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Aera
Who says that's the reason they're creating Guild Wars 2? ( Watch my sentence, they're not abandoning GW1 ).
I think their reason has more to do with other things. Like graphics. GW2 will obviously have better graphics etc. You can't just change all graphics like 1 2 3 snap for an entire game.
Then there's skill balance. If you keep releasing campaigns, you will get more and more skills which will be a lot harder to balance. It's better to start over.
Also there's game mechanics. Once again, you can't just add those to the game, you need a fresh start.
Al this comes down to one thing: balance.
Without balance games are NOT fun.
So once they've reached the maximum capacity of GW2, they might need to create GW3.
I think their reason has more to do with other things. Like graphics. GW2 will obviously have better graphics etc. You can't just change all graphics like 1 2 3 snap for an entire game.
Then there's skill balance. If you keep releasing campaigns, you will get more and more skills which will be a lot harder to balance. It's better to start over.
Also there's game mechanics. Once again, you can't just add those to the game, you need a fresh start.
Al this comes down to one thing: balance.
Without balance games are NOT fun.
So once they've reached the maximum capacity of GW2, they might need to create GW3.
Esan
It is the nature of things that expand at a constant rate to become large ("bloated") eventually. If that prevented things from happening, then, well, there wouldn't have been a Big Bang now, would there?
razuel
Constructive criticism on a forum opinion post? What?
Updates can be made through download, seeing that it's an online game.
Updates can be made through download, seeing that it's an online game.
zwei2stein
Eventually GW2 will get outdated, it it wont be just bloat.
Economy will become trashed, community will become stagnant, everyone and their cat would have done and seen it all. "Do you remember when" threads will appear. And as you noticed, game like GW can sustain limited amount of expansions untill population this out too much and game becomes amalgam if different approaches and concepts (notice how each gw1 product is quite different. Compare Prophecies and GWEN. Imagine game went through such radical changes five more times. Imagine what GW1 would have looked like in 20 expansions ... not pretty)
Devs will once again see that they went kinda wrong direction and that some design decisions tied their hands too much and that they need radical change that cant be done just in expansion.
GW2 will die. GW3 will die the same way, GWx will as well ... etc.
Economy will become trashed, community will become stagnant, everyone and their cat would have done and seen it all. "Do you remember when" threads will appear. And as you noticed, game like GW can sustain limited amount of expansions untill population this out too much and game becomes amalgam if different approaches and concepts (notice how each gw1 product is quite different. Compare Prophecies and GWEN. Imagine game went through such radical changes five more times. Imagine what GW1 would have looked like in 20 expansions ... not pretty)
Devs will once again see that they went kinda wrong direction and that some design decisions tied their hands too much and that they need radical change that cant be done just in expansion.
GW2 will die. GW3 will die the same way, GWx will as well ... etc.
Mechz
I'm almost certain that GW2's last "add-on" will evolve into GW3, which will evolve into a game that isn't "Guild Wars", but is within the universe. That is to say, ANet will drop GW all together, in favor of a GW-esque game.
Mordakai
I hope there will eventually be a Guild Wars 3....
otherwise, the alternative is the ultimate death of Guild Wars. (Nothing lasts forever, not even Ultima Online)
otherwise, the alternative is the ultimate death of Guild Wars. (Nothing lasts forever, not even Ultima Online)
mazey vorstagg
yes, if GW doesn't dissappear after GW2 then there will be a GW3. If only to update the graphics engine and make more money.
As we move into a new age of computers all long time MMOs will have to choose to upgrade, or die slowly as the move to faster, better and incompatable machines take over.
As we move into a new age of computers all long time MMOs will have to choose to upgrade, or die slowly as the move to faster, better and incompatable machines take over.
DRGN
I just hope Guild Wars doesn't go down the path of Final Fantasy; a drawn-out series of games that are only connected by certain spell names, giant birds, and a character named Rurik in every game. >_________>
Zinger314
Really, wait for GW2 and see if it bombs or not before determining if there will even be a GW3.
Winterclaw
If GW2 bombs, they could always do another GW expansion or 3.
Or they'll end up doing GW3 and it'll cut out some of the c*** that GW2 is going to have, like the increased level cap.
Or they'll end up doing GW3 and it'll cut out some of the c*** that GW2 is going to have, like the increased level cap.
Starsky-sama
imo that stretching it too far....if it's the same old mmorpg style...just maintaining it would be good enough and adding new stuff/areas/modes in.
Getting the news of a WoW-ish GW was already a stunner to some, because we have to leave GW1, to me it's a great idea since it is a totally different style of gameplay/graphics/mechanics compared to its predecessor, but what will GW3 offer? same old pvp/pve mmorpg? I probably would still stay in with GW1/2 if that was the case.
Getting the news of a WoW-ish GW was already a stunner to some, because we have to leave GW1, to me it's a great idea since it is a totally different style of gameplay/graphics/mechanics compared to its predecessor, but what will GW3 offer? same old pvp/pve mmorpg? I probably would still stay in with GW1/2 if that was the case.
KamikazeChicken
Eventually the game engine will be outdated for what they'll want to add to the game, kind of like the engine we have now wouldn't support auction houses, but that'd be awhile down the road.
warcrap
i guess the only way to save gw is to make it more like rs/WoW were they can do anything to the game without creating new expansion or a new game.
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i guess the only way to save gw is to make it more like rs/WoW were they can do anything to the game without creating new expansion or a new game.
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i guess the only way to save gw is to make it more like rs/WoW were they can do anything to the game without creating new expansion or a new game.
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They can add minor drops (all thoe jade swords, totem axes and stuff)
They can add minor quests (titan quests), explorable areas and misions (new tombs, sf, doa ...)
They can change spawns (rotscale update)
They can introduce new mechanics (faction for kill in factions, those damned pve skills ...)
They can add new features (party search, all kinds of gui improvements that people seem to hate ...)
They did TONS of stuff just because they could.
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Who says that's the reason they're creating Guild Wars 2? ( Watch my sentence, they're not abandoning GW1 ).
I think their reason has more to do with other things. Like graphics. GW2 will obviously have better graphics etc. You can't just change all graphics like 1 2 3 snap for an entire game. |
thats funny cause gw alrdy has better graphics then alot of the newer mmo's. hellgate is pretty up there along with alot of the fps but gw still has graphics to play with the best of the mmo games
cthulhu reborn
the expression "jumping the gun" comes to mind.
Perhaps after this thread we can talk about GW4-10 as well. But for what it's worth, I do think that a sequel was a good idea and may be again in the future.
Technology doesn't stand still and at some point you have to make sure a game doesn't get too outdated. Though it stands that GW graphics will not be outdated soon judging by the competition.
Perhaps after this thread we can talk about GW4-10 as well. But for what it's worth, I do think that a sequel was a good idea and may be again in the future.
Technology doesn't stand still and at some point you have to make sure a game doesn't get too outdated. Though it stands that GW graphics will not be outdated soon judging by the competition.
Red Sonya
The OP has obviously never played Everquest which has the most expansions (I think 8 now) of any mmorpg world out there and it's still going strong. Even if the retailers take off the origional expansions Sony just puts out platinum, anniversary and any other cute name selling ALL the expansions and the origional Everquest game in ONE box for $19.99 this is nothing new or something to fret about with GW2, there will always be some package out there to buy for new players or even old ones who didn't keep up.
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I hope there will eventually be a Guild Wars 3....
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Its so far off in the future. By the time it even comes out....I'd say it would be around 2012, if not 2014 or even farther. I wouldn't care by then.
But I dunno guys, its very far off but maybe Anet will end the series after 2. After all, they are a new company and this is their first and only product and series really. Plenty of room to grow.
Red Sonya
Plus NCsoft is thinking of getting out of the gaming business and moving into something else. So, Anet might not even have a job with NCsoft in 2012 or 2014. Someone else like EA or Sony might pick them up and you can be darn sure they will CHANGE the game into a mmorpg at $15 a month or more to play.
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Umm, they can do anything to game without releasing new expansion.
They can add minor drops (all thoe jade swords, totem axes and stuff) They can add minor quests (titan quests), explorable areas and misions (new tombs, sf, doa ...) They can change spawns (rotscale update) They can introduce new mechanics (faction for kill in factions, those damned pve skills ...) They can add new features (party search, all kinds of gui improvements that people seem to hate ...) They did TONS of stuff just because they could. |
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can they introduce new missions, new graphics, or new story?
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The only feasable reason that ArenaNet should make a new engine is to support an Auction House and implement a Z-axis.
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Oh and GW 3 won't be happening for another 5 years at least.
EPO Bot
Don' t forget jumping and swimming. I missed swimming ever since i first entered the "Gates of Kryta" mission.
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You forgot to add persistant world too
We know that GW2 is just going to be a WoW clone, persistant world, pet system for solo play play like WoW's hunter, and, erm, and auction house like in WoW too? No wai!!!
Maybe they wont bother to add an auction house just so they can say
'GW2 is a completely different game to WoW cos it has no AH!'
But, OFC there is going to be a need for GW3, because regardless of how well GW2 does on release, Anet are going to screw it over with their phailure updates and game changes like they have done to GW1.
This is how it works - Anet releases an epic game. Over 2-3 years they ruin their epic game with phailure updates. Then they say, 'This game is broken now and ppl are leaving, lets make a new one to get them back!'
And the cycle will repeat itself over and over and over again.
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Plus NCsoft is thinking of getting out of the gaming business and moving into something else. So, Anet might not even have a job with NCsoft in 2012 or 2014. Someone else like EA or Sony might pick them up and you can be darn sure they will CHANGE the game into a mmorpg at $15 a month or more to play.
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Yes, I think NCSoft should stop making so many titles, and instead focus on their successful ones: Lineage, Guild Wars, City of Heroes / Villians, etc.
But you have to remember, the people who founded Anet were not afraid to leave Blizzard! So, I'd say there's a better chance that Vivendi Universal will buy Guild Wars, than for Guild Wars to become a subscription based model!
bhavv
In all honesty, with the amount of success guildwars has had, I dont think any publisher would make them charge a monthly fee.
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Bryant Again
It's had solid success as an RPG but has made a very little splash as an MMO.
About GW3: Time will tell. But if GW2 is successful, then yeah probably. GW2, just like GW1, will get old.
About GW3: Time will tell. But if GW2 is successful, then yeah probably. GW2, just like GW1, will get old.
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The OP has obviously never played Everquest which has the most expansions (I think 8 now) of any mmorpg world out there and it's still going strong. Even if the retailers take off the origional expansions Sony just puts out platinum, anniversary and any other cute name selling ALL the expansions and the origional Everquest game in ONE box for $19.99 this is nothing new or something to fret about with GW2, there will always be some package out there to buy for new players or even old ones who didn't keep up.
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Nevin
They're making Guild Wars 2 due to technical difficulties, the engine Guild Wars is built on is simply too simple to accommodate things that GW2 will likely have- Such as mounts, persistent areas, larger forms of PvP, auction house, Z-axis, jumping/swimming/climbing. etc etc.
Bazompora
I wouldn't mind GW3, aslong as our character & progress can be transferred that time! If the franchise's policy would be to level everything with each next-digit series, I think I'll end up passing.
Sirius-NZ
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I don't want to sound negative, but give it up already... what's the point of transferring characters? It stops the game from adding anything really new because you have to worry about compatibility.
I don't want to sound negative, but give it up already... what's the point of transferring characters? It stops the game from adding anything really new because you have to worry about compatibility.
cosyfiep
I think it will be more of a case of the computer OS changing and not being able to backtrack to get those who were unable to get the new OS on their computer......much like if XvistaX is what is required to play say gw2 chapter 3 (due to the OS maker no longer supporting the previous OS), many people still may not have it, but were able to run gw2 chapters 1 & 2. So they are left with either upgrading or not playing (many may not have the cash/resources available to do so). So instead of making chapter 4, they make gw3 which is vistaXXXX required to play.
This is the scenario I forsee (or that gw2 bombs soo badly they give up and go back to the original gw gametype and make gw3-the return to the original!---like that cola that changed and everyone complained about years ago so they brought back the original).
This is the scenario I forsee (or that gw2 bombs soo badly they give up and go back to the original gw gametype and make gw3-the return to the original!---like that cola that changed and everyone complained about years ago so they brought back the original).
Malice Black
The world ends in the year 2012, geek out while you can!
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Sir Seifus Halbred
Guild Wars 2 is not even out yet and your already thinking about Guild Wars 3? 
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On topic. Much to early to think about GW3. I'm concerned that GW2 is going to be something that I might not enjoy. If that's the case there will be no GW3 for me. At this point in time I'm not even sure if I'll be playing GW2.