Suggest Improvements please?

KalleDamos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

21 Jan 2008 at 15:37 - 1

This is the build I've been running since I started playing paragon on Kamadan, I've thrown in some skills from EotN, any suggestions please?

10 - Spear Mastery
10 - Command
11 - Leadership

[skill]Vicious Attack[/skill][skill]Holy Spear[/skill][skill]Blazing Spear[/skill][skill]Crippling Anthem[/skill][skill]Anthem of Flame[/skill][skill]Leader's Comfort[/skill][skill]"Never Surrender!"[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill]

max_rulez

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Fallit Imago [Fi]

21 Jan 2008 at 16:01 - 2

Your lacking an IAS, and i dont really see the point of crip anthem if this is for PvE.

KalleDamos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

21 Jan 2008 at 16:03 - 3

I'ts more or less to help with Energy once and awhile, plus a snare is never a bad thing is it? If it stops or slows something down long enough for a monk to heal the pary, or energy to recover then I say its done its job. Plus, 6+ energy for a 4 adrenalin skill is never a bad plus.

max_rulez

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Fallit Imago [Fi]

21 Jan 2008 at 16:58 - 4

Yeah just you could do more damage with Cruel spear then use GftE for E manage

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 17:00 - 5

Needs more tntf/sy/ias/good elite.

iridescentfyre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 17:06 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by KalleDamos

I'ts more or less to help with Energy once and awhile, plus a snare is never a bad thing is it? Your elite slot is no place for a skill that can be described as "well, its not bad I guess…" There's always a better elite than that.

zling

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 17:17 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by max_rulez

Yeah just you could do more damage with Cruel spear then use GftE for E manage actually GFTY+Vicious is better than Cruel in PvP, as for PvE, it depends on mob level...
but he has Vicious without GFTY which is a big NO, NO!!!

as for this build, is it for PvE or PvP? from your post I assume PvE, but than this build is definatly not a PvE build...
you have the PvE only skills which are so overpowered its not even funny, and you're using none of them, NONE!!!
you're using an elite that does nothing for PvE play but is pretty good in PvP...
you're deep wound is relying on a critical hit, which is too bad when you get further from kamadan, as most mobs will be lvl 24-28 which reduces your chance to critical against them. and you dont even have GFTY to go with Vicious... just a tip, for most PvE areas Cruel>Vicious+GFTE
Never Surrender seems like a half decent PvP skill to me, and very useless PvE skill... waste of a skill slot...

Anthem of Flame and you attack skills are fine, the rest needs a lot of work...

ShadowbaneX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Heroes of the Horn

A/Me

21 Jan 2008 at 17:36 - 8

"Go For the Eyes!" isn't the only shout that can be used for Energy Management. I personally prefer the Tactics line and "Watch Yourself!" (and other shouts from there) but then my Paragon's build was designed to get her to Legendary Survivor.

KalleDamos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

21 Jan 2008 at 17:43 - 9

I almost made teer 2 of survivor with this build, ran into an Djinn fire boss out of nowhere, whiped me. I'll take all this to mind and look over it all.

KalleDamos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

21 Jan 2008 at 17:57 - 10

So would something like this be any better?

10 - Spear Mastery
10 - Command
11 - Leadership
[skill]Spear of Fury[/skill][skill]Holy Spear[/skill][skill]Blazing Spear[/skill][skill]"Go for the Eyes!"[/skill][skill]Anthem of Flame[/skill][skill]Leader's Comfort[/skill][skill]Soldier's Fury[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill]

or something like this?

10 - Spear Mastery
10 - Command
11 - Leadership
[skill]Vicious Attack[/skill][skill]Holy Spear[/skill][skill]Blazing Spear[/skill][skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill][skill]Anthem of Flame[/skill][skill]Leader's Comfort[/skill][skill]"Go for the Eyes!"[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill]

Which looks better?

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

21 Jan 2008 at 17:57 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Needs more tntf/sy/ias/good elite.

Ok !!

Attributes:

13 spear
9 command
10 leadership
rest tactics

Skills:

* Spear of Fury or Save Yourselves(pve skill from ab)
* Spear of Lightning
* Cruel Spear, Cautery Signet (depends on how many condi's youll run into), or Anthem of Fury or Focused Anger (for SY!)
* Go for the Eyes
* Anthem of flame
* Watch Yourself
* There's Nothing to Fear
* Aggressive Refrain

(carry res on your heroes if needed, but honestly if you die on this, ur bad)

If running a paragon hero, run this same bar and atts, but swap out the PvE only skills for Holy Spear and a res of somekind.
Quote:

Originally Posted by KalleDamos

Which looks better? To be brutally honest, neither one of those is any good. Kind of like your non ias warrior build....

KalleDamos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

21 Jan 2008 at 18:21 - 12

That was a base build, something to start off of and tweek till he liked it, but that is for the warrior thread, not here, and some of those suggestions are very good. i try not to lean a lot on PvE skills cause I don't always have the time to farm points to get high titles.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 20:20 - 13

The thing with most PvE skills is that you don't need a high rank for them to be useful. SY is fine at r1 kurzick/luxon, which is 50k faction donated (which really isn't a lot). Since you're a NF character, you'll have r7 sunspear, and TNTF is fine at r7 sunspear.

KalleDamos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

21 Jan 2008 at 20:23 - 14

have r5 luxon and r8 SS on my Paragon as of right now.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

21 Jan 2008 at 21:48 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by KalleDamos

have r5 luxon and r8 SS on my Paragon as of right now. than you would have no problem running any of the war/paragon PvE only skills with great effectiveness. Mine does and has the exact same stats title wise as yours does except mine is kurzick, not luxon.

Mr Pink57

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

a van down by the river

iBench

P/W

22 Jan 2008 at 01:10 - 16

Rather go with Spear of Redemption over Holy Spear, look into Spear of Lightning.

EDIT: Spear of Fury is a waste of a slot. Unless for some reason you have a discord spike fragility team.

pink

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

22 Jan 2008 at 01:49 - 17

Soldier's Fury imho for simple good IAS with no hassle. I've found it useful during my limited experience with PvE paragons, if I don't want to deal with the downside to AR (which doesn't attack quite as fast anyway so.)

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

22 Jan 2008 at 02:29 - 18

I'm not a fan on wasting your elite on a IAS when you have other options. Sure AR only has a 25% faster attack rate and it causes cracked armor, but 25% is all you really need, and cracked armor on a 96AL midliner is nothing. The downside of AR is minor compared to the downside of SF.

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

22 Jan 2008 at 02:31 - 19

I guess you're right. I just don't like having to worry about the skillbars of hench monks. I normally use FGJ+SF on my paragon... combined with a DarkFury-bot... it works for my limited needs but I'm sure it can be improved.

KalleDamos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

22 Jan 2008 at 02:45 - 20

I'm not to fond of AR mostly because of the 25 energy cost. While paragons have a lot of energy, seems like a lot to invest for a 25% buff.

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

22 Jan 2008 at 02:50 - 21

That's not an issue, AR will stay up all the time with proper play and builds.

knives

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Grenths Rejects [GR]

Me/

22 Jan 2008 at 04:11 - 22

Be lazy -> Soldiers fury

AR although 25e usually leaves you w/ 5e remaining just enough to use a cheap anthem and gain back more than you lost. Also once you get the adr you need to spam GftE! you'll have more energy than you can use.

I find that I usually use more leadership/pve skills than those in command or motiv. I only really spec into com/mot to meet my shield req.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

22 Jan 2008 at 20:57 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by KalleDamos

I'm not to fond of AR mostly because of the 25 energy cost. While paragons have a lot of energy, seems like a lot to invest for a 25% buff. Use it when you enter the explorable area. Bring along a 5e anthem, and keep spamming that with your party until you get back to full energy. When you get into battles, you'll be spamming shouts, so there's no problem with keeping it up.

xDusT II

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Melbourne

23 Jan 2008 at 01:20 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Use it when you enter the explorable area. Bring along a 5e anthem, and keep spamming that with your party until you get back to full energy. When you get into battles, you'll be spamming shouts, so there's no problem with keeping it up. Unfortunately, heroes often refuse to use Aggressive Refrain until they enter combat. I'm honestly not sure what causes this, so if anyone knows what "triggers" heroes to use Aggressive Refrain let me know.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

23 Jan 2008 at 02:14 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by xDusT II

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

23 Jan 2008 at 08:09 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by xDusT II

Unfortunately, heroes often refuse to use Aggressive Refrain until they enter combat. I'm honestly not sure what causes this, so if anyone knows what "triggers" heroes to use Aggressive Refrain let me know. The triggers I've seen tend to be random. Sometimes I can make Hayda use a Mending Refrain on myself and suddenly she will decide to use Aggressive when her energy gets back to 25. Sometimes if I use a chant first and then click the AR they'll put it up. Sometimes I just have to be closer to an enemy.

Other times... green checkmark just sits there until I throw my first spear or call a target just outside my bubble. Flee, Guard, or Attack, doesn't seem to matter.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

23 Jan 2008 at 18:50 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racthoh

The triggers I've seen tend to be random. Sometimes I can make Hayda use a Mending Refrain on myself and suddenly she will decide to use Aggressive when her energy gets back to 25. Sometimes if I use a chant first and then click the AR they'll put it up. Sometimes I just have to be closer to an enemy.

Other times... green checkmark just sits there until I throw my first spear or call a target just outside my bubble. Flee, Guard, or Attack, doesn't seem to matter. When you're microing AR on a hero, you have to target the hero for them to use it right away.