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Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

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21 Jan 2008 at 18:33 - 1

Okay so it used to be that gold (superior) runes were worth way more than blue and purple combined. Yet with one update, they're worth the same amount, sometimes even less. Now really, how much sense does that make? None if you ask me. Why would you pay extra for a gold rune yet if you went to sell it, get as much out of it as a blue or purple one? I'm only referring to the selling prices, not the buying ones. Example:

That makes no sense. Now yes, some gold runes (like superior vigor) sell for more than that, but I had a rune of minor vigor (blue) go for 1k at the trader, so that's more than both of those golds combined. It makes no sense. What does everyone else think? I think the rune system should be put back to normal.

Yol

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

GameAmp Guides [AMP]

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21 Jan 2008 at 18:40 - 2

Yawn....is there any part of the game you don't think should be 'fixed'?
/endsarcasm

Trader prices are based on supply and demand. The fact that the prices are low is because the merchants have been inundated with runes from players. When the supply from the players drops, the merchants pay more for them. Would you complain about low rune prices if you were buying runes to equip your heroes, or new sets of armours?

Alex the Great

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

America.....got a problem with that?

[Lite]

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21 Jan 2008 at 18:40 - 3

tender wolf, it is al supply and demand.

no one plays pve mesmer, so those insigs/ runes are cheap

the ranger runes are ones that no one uses

and no warrior uses sup weapon mastery

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

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21 Jan 2008 at 18:41 - 4

Just out of interest, did you press "request quote" to find out what they'd actually pay you for the runes? Sometimes there can be quite a difference between the "last paid" and "request quote" figure.

Also, minor runes are worth more (to players as well) because they carry no penalty. I use minors on all of my heroes where I can as it means I don't have to worry about them taking a health hit from a major attribute rune. Superior Vigors are a bit of a waste of time these days as a) Major runes give less of a health hit than they used to and b) if the health hit from a superior attribute rune bothers you just slap a Major Vigor and a Vitae rune on, you'll get the same benefit as from a sup vig but lose one rune slot. Not a big deal really.

Tatile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Stygian Disciples of Tenebrasus

N/Me

21 Jan 2008 at 18:43 - 5

Saraphim has a point. I've noticed this, that a rune trader gives an initial quote of 10g which jumps to 25g on request.

Elessar Elfhelm

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

Ghent, Belgium

Hammer of Balthazar

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21 Jan 2008 at 18:44 - 6

You're totally right! Though I don't want it to go back as it was, with some monk runes way over 20-30k. But it's ridiculous to see that most of the runes are worth 10g...

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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21 Jan 2008 at 18:48 - 7

Eh... that's not the minimum. The minimm is 25 gold. 25% of the minimum buy price.

Additionally, if you identify them, you'll get at least 26 gold from blue ones, and more than 100gold from the gold ones.

But if you want to get cash from runes, see the prices before salvaging, and :

* If you use superior kits, salvage only those that can be bought for the price of the item that holds the rune +100 gold.
-For example, if a gold armor it's worth 400gold, you should sell the rune whey they can be bought for 500gold or more.

* If you use perfect kits, salvage only when the buy price is just higher than the price of the item:
- For example, if a purple armor it's worth 250 gold, you should salvage and sell the rune if they can be bought for 250gold or more.

And no wonder they are low.
Lately I sell all runes I find, excepting the Vigor ones.
With the sole exception of Vigor runes, I don't store them for use with my heroes, when I need to use a hero, I go to the trader, buy the runes, and apply them.
And with Vigor runes, I use them right away with the most used hero without that rune.

We don't have storage to hoard runes for later use, so it's better to use the trader the way it was meant to be used.
(That's why we need weapon upgrade traders too)

Althought that it's true that the minimun price it's a bit too low.
For all trader items, the minimum 'sell to trader' price should be HALF the minim 'buy from trader' price.
Buy 100g, sell 50 gold.
Buy 800gold, sell 400 gold.
That is currently apllied to scrolls, but that should be applied to dyes, upgrades and even materials.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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21 Jan 2008 at 19:35 - 8

/notsigned

Prices droped once ID kits were able to select what they salvaged. Thus materials were no longer accidentally salvaged. If you wanted the rune, you got the rune. No more random bad luck getting 30 cloth instead of that superior vigor rune.
Supply and demand took prices down from there.

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

21 Jan 2008 at 19:39 - 9

they have fixed prices: all = 100g buy

ow and gold isnt better then blue with runes ..

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

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21 Jan 2008 at 20:50 - 10

Look on the bright side, there's (nearly) always a cheap (usually major) rune to do what you want and there's only a handful of runes for which it is worthwhile to use the Expert Salvage and go to the rune trader, most can go to the merchant unsalvaged.

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

21 Jan 2008 at 20:57 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex the Great

no one plays pve mesmer

I play PvE Mesmer... in fact, I like being a Mesmer quite much.

I Phoenix I

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Elite Lords of Chaos [LoC]

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21 Jan 2008 at 20:58 - 12

Just don't salvage runes that are worth 2g...

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

21 Jan 2008 at 21:01 - 13

Only if they remove loot scaling so we can afford the high prices they used to be at...

Turtle222

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

:D:D

D/W

21 Jan 2008 at 21:05 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

I play PvE Mesmer... in fact, I like being a Mesmer quite much.

he means there are hardly any pve mesmers in the game...stop being pedantic.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

21 Jan 2008 at 21:08 - 15

[QUOTE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

Okay so it used to be that gold (superior) runes were worth way more than blue and purple combined. What does everyone else think? I think the rune system should be put back to normal.

i cant tell you what i think without being permabanned here.

100K sup absorb?
75 K sup vigor

5-15k for almost any minor way back then

deal with cheap easy to afford runes or dont touch the icky things.........sheeshhhh

schaapie

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

E/Mo

21 Jan 2008 at 21:19 - 16

I see it more like this:

change the minimum price
minor 100g
major 500g
superior 1k

This way i am finaly happy when i find an gold armor. And this way we dont mess with the high priced runes.

bpphantom

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Canukistan

The Eyes of Ashtabula [Eyes]

21 Jan 2008 at 21:21 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

I play PvE Mesmer... in fact, I like being a Mesmer quite much.

Then enjoy that your runes and insigs will cost near nothing

For the OP: Supply and demand dictate the prices.

I Phoenix I

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Elite Lords of Chaos [LoC]

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21 Jan 2008 at 21:22 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by schaapie

I see it more like this:

change the minimum price
minor 100g
major 500g
superior 1k

This way i am finaly happy when i find an gold armor. And this way we dont mess with the high priced runes.

Superior Runes aren't necessarily superior...so I don't see why it should be like that...

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

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21 Jan 2008 at 21:25 - 19

Learn what supply and demand is, then it should make sense to you.

/notsigned btw, it's fine as it is.

Selket

Desert Nomad

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What If You Had An Outpost Named After You [slkt]

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21 Jan 2008 at 21:25 - 20

Did you get some terrible runes and want to make money off them?

'cuz that's what it seems like.

schaapie

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

E/Mo

21 Jan 2008 at 21:36 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Phoenix I

Superior Runes aren't necessarily superior...so I don't see why it should be like that...

well there you have an good point

.

Kiragi Yagami

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Elician Mercinaries [eLm] Leader.

E/Me

21 Jan 2008 at 21:40 - 22

i really think that, if you really wanted money, you would do what i do in this case.

i save up all my blue-purp-gold salvage items, and i check the trader once ive got a few. if the items on a salvage item are worth less than the item itself with the runes on it, i sell it. if not, salvage the most expensive rune off it and sell.

the trader prices are fine. can you tell me why you salvaged a superior mesmer rune off something rather than taking the 300-400g you get from the item itself?

/notsigned.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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21 Jan 2008 at 22:16 - 23

If the HP loss where removed from PvE, superior runes would be really superior...

And 55monks would completely banish, XDDD.

But that's not the case, and with some attributes it's better the Health than the extra stuff.

mrmango

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Southern California

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Me/Rt

21 Jan 2008 at 22:27 - 24

Like death magic for a MM. That's all.
/unsigned, no reason to do this.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

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21 Jan 2008 at 22:32 - 25

Nobody runs sup attribute runes. Get over it.

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

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21 Jan 2008 at 23:26 - 26

/notsigned

Before posting anymore of your 'fix this' crap, learn how the game works. It is working as it is intended to work, nothing is broken. If it was broken, then you post it in the BUG forum.

PLEASE STOP POSTING SUGGESTIONS UNTIL YOU LEARN HOW THE GAME WORKS!

Aera

Forge Runner

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Galactic President Superstar Mc [awsm]

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21 Jan 2008 at 23:35 - 27

Welcome to the world of offer and demand.

/stopmakingcrappythreadsplx

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

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21 Jan 2008 at 23:45 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Nobody runs sup attribute runes. Get over it.

You may just want to check your research there

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

21 Jan 2008 at 23:59 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by dargon

You may just want to check your research there

Yea, I use Superiors on my necro, mostly because the lowered health is actually a good thing when I'm using saccing spells.

Biostem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

22 Jan 2008 at 00:18 - 30

It is very rare that the extra +1 to an attribute is worth the -40 hp a sup gives you over a major. In fact, the lack of an hp penalty is exactly why minor runes tend to be more expensive than the others. Regardless, if you look at things like sup death magic runes or some sup monk runes, you'll notice they are more expensive than, say, a sup run of earth prayers, since they are more in demand.

Anyway, the price is dictated by what the market will bare. If you want, start buying up all the sup runes and see if it help (but I doubt it).

Div

I like yumy food!

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Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

22 Jan 2008 at 00:21 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aera

Welcome to the world of offer and demand.

/stopmakingcrappythreadsplx

/signed to Aera's comment.

chowmein69

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

22 Jan 2008 at 00:57 - 32

/notsigned

keep it the way it is ...the rune system is normal

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

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22 Jan 2008 at 02:22 - 33

like phoenix said sup runes aren't necessarily better at least not the +3 attribute ones

for instance minor dagger mastery is worth more then sup dagger mastery cuz sins use minor rune more

supply and demand

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

22 Jan 2008 at 02:24 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

PLEASE STOP POSTING SUGGESTIONS UNTIL YOU LEARN HOW THE GAME WORKS!

That's a much better suggestion than all of your threads put together. I'll /sign that.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

22 Jan 2008 at 02:58 - 35

The reason they're only 10 gp is that no one wants a Virtuoso's Insignia (especially in PvE) and no one in general wants a Pyrebound Insignia, and no one wants a Sup Fast Casting... ever.

Sup Axe Mastery might have a little demand every once in a while, more so than the other things, but, still, not much at all.

Basically, learn2economy

/notsigned

genofreek

Desert Nomad

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USA

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22 Jan 2008 at 04:08 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yol

Yawn....is there any part of the game you don't think should be 'fixed'?
/endsarcasm

Trader prices are based on supply and demand. The fact that the prices are low is because the merchants have been inundated with runes from players. When the supply from the players drops, the merchants pay more for them. Would you complain about low rune prices if you were buying runes to equip your heroes, or new sets of armours?

QFT and /notsigned. With ID kit and expert/superior salvage kits in game and assloads of runes dropping as more and more players go farming, you're going to see all but the high-demand runes drop in price.

Look at it this way: unless you're going for something high-demand like vigor, you rarely pay over 1k for a rune. Isn't that nice?

Pure Disasta

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

22 Jan 2008 at 04:14 - 37

Learn how the game works its supply and demand.

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

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22 Jan 2008 at 08:02 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aera

Welcome to the world of offer and demand.

/stopmakingcrappythreadsplx

/signed to this

/notsigned to OP

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

22 Jan 2008 at 13:13 - 39

im one thing, that should receive finally fixed buy and sell prices..beneath insignias and upgrades, which should receive also finally some npc's which sell them...

games economy is much better, when npcs sell and buy stuff at fixed prices ....

EmptySkull

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

KaoS League

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22 Jan 2008 at 13:31 - 40

How about this thought I had. With the exception of Vigor runes, instead of prices change how about color. The Minor runes could be changed to gold and Superior changed to blue. The color based on the hp penalty instead of the + attribute. Because the HP penalty or lack of one is what the real determining factor people use. I know it would be kinda of "backwards" since it's been this way from start.