I was wondering if the lack of staging areas in Gwen is a precurser to GW2, and how everyone feels about it. I for one liked the staging areas in the first campaigns. I liked that it was hard to get somewhere but once you got there you could choose how you went the next time.
It's like they want to control how I play the game. I find it a bit boring to do missions over and over again filling books when I even have to fight my way to the dungeon or mission. Especially if Devona decides to fight everything she can see. If you have a lot of DP from the travels to the dungeon how are you going to complete the dungeon.
I think the lack of a staging area makes it a lot harder for the people who want ot PUG because not everyone has the time to do the area and the dungeon. Especially in areas like Slavers and the two dungeons in the Charr area.
I guess I want more outposts and towns and staging areas. Back to the old way and less of the new.
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Sparks Dawnbringer
zwei2stein
Yes, staging areas are kinda missing.
But check out threads where people suggested that slavers exile got outpost (it makes a lot of sense since there is outpost-like mini explorable right at beginning.). Responses were not pretty.
But check out threads where people suggested that slavers exile got outpost (it makes a lot of sense since there is outpost-like mini explorable right at beginning.). Responses were not pretty.
Washi
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If you have a lot of DP from the travels to the dungeon how are you going to complete the dungeon.
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Seriously, this game is easy enough, don't try to make it any easier. Where's the challenge in that?
zwei2stein
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If you have alot of DP from the travel it means you would fail in dungeon anyway, since its alot harder than outside areas.
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As you said, someone who gets dp while travelling from normal outpost wont complete dungeon anyway. There is no harm cutting away stuff he is going to struggle with and skipping right to part where he fails. Saves his times (better fail rightaway than after hour.) saves times of people who can do it (better be challenged rightaway not not be bored with explorable before that.)
There is no challenge in walking to dungeon entrance. Its just boring/unnecesary.
Jongo River
I think it's the one factor that stops me from bothering with GW:EN dungeons much. There's just no reason not to have a mini-outpost/entrance hall for all of them. My time and energy are the factors, not difficulty. For example, I generally try and start my gaming session with a mission or some important activety and leave quests to wind-down/kill time afterwards. I don't want to have to trudge around doing something mundane, before I get to the part I want to play - for that reason I often do quests that lead to missions at the end of a gaming session, so I'm good to go the following day.
The setup in GW:EN just causes unnecessary trudging around and even if it doesn't generally take all that long to get to most dungeons, it does deplete my will to get the job done, somewhat. Oh and my comments are based on normal mode - I imagine I'd have to take a coffee break on arriving at some dungeons in hard mode!
The setup in GW:EN just causes unnecessary trudging around and even if it doesn't generally take all that long to get to most dungeons, it does deplete my will to get the job done, somewhat. Oh and my comments are based on normal mode - I imagine I'd have to take a coffee break on arriving at some dungeons in hard mode!
electrofish
Totally agree, the dungeon npcs should be in the town. I love dungeons, but atm just can't be bothered to run through maps (sometimes even 2 for those in Sacnoth Valley -.-) to get to it.
vaxmor
Agreed - we could definitely do with agreeing to having a city as a PUG LFG city.
The Great Al
I totally agree, however I wouldn't be surprised if there were less towns, because people are so spread out nowadays. I guess with the dungeons it wouldn't hurt matters, because if people are specifically looking for dungeon quests, they wouldn't have any other reason to be in a different town.
MisterMax
Okay so this is just my opinion..
Putting a town at the entrance of a dungeon wouldn't make it easier per say, it would just make everyone lazy. And cmon who puts a town at the base of a cave/dungeon? "Hmm look, a Charr infested dungeon! Lets make a settlement here and hope they don't attack us!" Really now..
If you fail at getting to a dungeon, then stop running! Walk to it and kill anything that attacks you. Putting up more towns would just make more ghost-towns like there are now.
Putting a town at the entrance of a dungeon wouldn't make it easier per say, it would just make everyone lazy. And cmon who puts a town at the base of a cave/dungeon? "Hmm look, a Charr infested dungeon! Lets make a settlement here and hope they don't attack us!" Really now..
If you fail at getting to a dungeon, then stop running! Walk to it and kill anything that attacks you. Putting up more towns would just make more ghost-towns like there are now.
BSSuperman
Theres an outpost at the Cathedral of Kantha...kkanth.. That Cathedral with the Charr donjon - But then again I dont mind beating some poor mobs senseless on my way to the next donjon - It whets my blades and sometimes drops an extra pick for me to break on a shiny box in a cave somewhere.
Is this a "my time is too precious for me to play the game, gimme the chestdrops at 2 minute intervals for destroyer weapons right now" thread??
Is this a "my time is too precious for me to play the game, gimme the chestdrops at 2 minute intervals for destroyer weapons right now" thread??
Mordakai
Before this devolves completely into a discussion of GWEN dungeons, I'd like to support the OP's position that this would NOT be good for Guild Wars 2.
If Anet wants to keep its casual base alive, then there needs to be ways to easily access content of the game (NOTE: I'm not saying the content has to be easy. I'm saying the ability to log on and immediately do what you want to do is very important to casual gamers, who don't have 4 hours to spend of constant gaming.)
For the Persistant areas of GW2, we should be able to log off and log back in where we last were anyway. It's the access to Instances I'm concerned about.
If Anet wants to keep its casual base alive, then there needs to be ways to easily access content of the game (NOTE: I'm not saying the content has to be easy. I'm saying the ability to log on and immediately do what you want to do is very important to casual gamers, who don't have 4 hours to spend of constant gaming.)
For the Persistant areas of GW2, we should be able to log off and log back in where we last were anyway. It's the access to Instances I'm concerned about.
TaCktiX
I signed that suggestion, lyra, and I still agree with it. Getting to Frostmaw's Burrows is annoying, Catacombs of Kathandrax moreso. Sure that little jaunt through the explorable is fun the first few times, but when it's a 30 minute chore just to get to the 1-2 hour dungeon, it gets ridiculous. Centralized access to any dungeon you've gotten to before is a needed thing, and I don't want to hear any more BS about "zomg, you're lazy" from anybody.
Operative 14
One of the problems I have is that I simply don't have enough time to get to a dungeon, then work my way through its levels. That's one of the main reasons I have never really done a lot of dungeons. To fight my way there takes a pretty good deal of time on top of an already long expedition in the dungeon.
I would love to have outposts at dungeons, becuase then it would make it possible for me to actually play the dungeons.
I would love to have outposts at dungeons, becuase then it would make it possible for me to actually play the dungeons.
tmr819
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I would love to have outposts at dungeons, becuase then it would make it possible for me to actually play the dungeons.
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In the dungeon staging area, I'd restrict the use of "LFG" for a particular dungeon to players who had the requisite quest for that dungeon. Once you had your team together, the team leader could then hit the "Enter Dungeon" button.
cosyfiep
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One of the problems I have is that I simply don't have enough time to get to a dungeon, then work my way through its levels. That's one of the main reasons I have never really done a lot of dungeons. To fight my way there takes a pretty good deal of time on top of an already long expedition in the dungeon.
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There are a few dungeons I have yet to do since I havent the time to get there and then play through them. (and then the lack of a merchant when I get into the dungeon since I have killed off half of the mobs in the area and they have all dropped stuff on my way.....)
Yes there are a lack of staging areas in this expansion and I hope it is NOT a precursor for gw2.
sterbenx2
traveling across maps to get to the dungeons is a little too WoW for me thanx. I would like an alternative. Why in Proph, Factions, NF there were outposts for everything and now? I don't know why they ever thought this was a good idea but it wasn't. Its not that people are lazy, its just annoying. Probably why I haven't played any dungeons in a while.
Molock
Oh yeah! We could form PuG's there also! lol
/sarcasm
Ok.. seriously though they would be very useful
/sarcasm
Ok.. seriously though they would be very useful
Tender Wolf
I agree, it's a pain having to run through other places to get to a dungeon. They should all be outposts. Now some, like Cathedral of Flames, can be accessed via a town or some right outside a town. That's fine, they should all be that way if you ask me.
Snograt
Kathandrax is the worst - having to trail through 2 complete zones just to get there. Thank god for the devourer, I guess. There should at least be an outpost on the boundary between the two zones.
Zeek Aran
You think it's boring spending 30 minutes getting to the dungeon? Then try doing the dungeon. Anyone who does a dungeon in hardmode twice must have the inability to be bored, unless it's CoF because that exists only for dual-farming.
freaky naughty
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Okay so this is just my opinion..
Putting a town at the entrance of a dungeon wouldn't make it easier per say, it would just make everyone lazy. And cmon who puts a town at the base of a cave/dungeon? "Hmm look, a Charr infested dungeon! Lets make a settlement here and hope they don't attack us!" Really now.. If you fail at getting to a dungeon, then stop running! Walk to it and kill anything that attacks you. Putting up more towns would just make more ghost-towns like there are now. |
jammerpa
Once you complete your dungeon book in NM, you should be able to open up the book and zone to each dungeon. Sorta the way the BMP works.
/agree on wasting too much time getting to some of the dungeons.
/agree on wasting too much time getting to some of the dungeons.
Hollow Gein
I'd definitely /sign to get outposts for quicker access to dungeons themselves rather than trudging my way there.
Cherng Butter
It's not that it's difficult to reach the dungeons, it's just...tedious. And the dungeons take a while on their own, so that's more time down the drain. I'd like this, for convenience.
MoriaOrc
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traveling across maps to get to the dungeons is a little too WoW for me thanx. I would like an alternative. Why in Proph, Factions, NF there were outposts for everything and now?
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Look at Dreadnought's Drift (up Snake Dance, or down Lornar's), The Falls, Dragon's Gullet, Majesties Rest, and at least a half a dozen others. A lot of prophecies is far from an outpost. The only consolation is that the main reason to go to most of these places is for Vanquishing, though Dreadnought's is also a fun stop for any enterprising Tome-less skill hunters.
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The "adventure" of getting to the place, or even just finding it, is fun the first time or two. Unfortunately, it does wear off pretty fast. The only thing it's really good for is an extra 25-50 points towards whatever rep title the dungeon is in the area of. And on my main, Norn area dungeons don't even have this benefit anymore. However, I don't mind too much. Getting there is usually a very small concern, of time or difficulty, compared to doing the dungeon.