Pious Assault Useful?

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

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As we know guild wars updated this skill. Now they have made it .5 activation. I seriously think this skill is now useful and overpowered.


So what do you guys and girls (gotta be politically correct) think about it.

Pyro maniac

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

yes, alot
however if you're already using melandru it isn't needed

it's alot better on other weapons

Darkside

Darkside

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Chantry of Secrets

[Angl]

D/

The thing that keeps it off my bar is the fact that it removes an enchantment which kinda sucks.

Turtle222

Turtle222

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

:D:D

D/W

Its become useful...potentially spreading deep wound on 3 enemies whilst using lyssa makes it a destructive machine.

ive just used it in isle of nameless. Lyssa, AOHM, any old cover enchant, eremite, mystic, pious assault, took him out in 4 seconds

TimTimTimma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Indianapolis

krazy Guild with Krazzzzy People [krzy]

Mo/

I don't consider it's damage, recharge, activation time over powered in any kind of way. Dervishes NEEDED another non-elite way of spreading deep wound and it has been added.

HOWEVER

The fact that it can be used on any weapon is questionable....I do believe they will change it to a scythe attack however. I hope they do not personally, because it offers a non-elite deep wound that isn't conditional and does additional damage. This skill shows great promise on a warriors bar, ESPICIALLY a hammer warriors bar. I went through RA today and ran the following:

[skill]hammer bash[/skill][skill]pious assault[/skill][skill]mystic sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]warrior's endurance[/skill][skill]bull's strike[/skill]

And it worked AWESOME.

It could use some work, but I am definitely thinking this has major potential.

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

I still wouldnt use this on a dervish. IAS is better than deep wound. this is going to be sweet on a W/D scythe bar though. maybe even viable. maybe.

Keithark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Be Aggressive B E Aggressive [AGRO]

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by TimTimTimma
I don't consider it's damage, recharge, activation time over powered in any kind of way. Dervishes NEEDED another non-elite way of spreading deep wound and it has been added.

HOWEVER

The fact that it can be used on any weapon is questionable....I do believe they will change it to a scythe attack however. I hope they do not personally, because it offers a non-elite deep wound that isn't conditional and does additional damage. This skill shows great promise on a warriors bar, ESPICIALLY a hammer warriors bar. I went through RA today and ran the following:

[skill]hammer bash[/skill][skill]pious assault[/skill][skill]mystic sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]warrior's endurance[/skill][skill]bull's strike[/skill]

And it worked AWESOME.

It could use some work, but I am definitely thinking this has major potential. Why mystic sweep in RA? chancces are you will not have enchantment on you and if you did you probably removed it with pious?

blurmedia

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2007

UNCONTROLLABLE RAGE [moko]

The 3/4 activation for a small spike

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

Quote:
Originally Posted by TimTimTimma
[skill]hammer bash[/skill][skill]pious assault[/skill][skill]mystic sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]warrior's endurance[/skill][skill]bull's strike[/skill]

. your using 20 energy for the spike
Piious,Sweep,Eremites.
You won't be able to use it if you used Enraging charge.

If you used bulls strike you'll also loose the energy >.>

Pyro maniac

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by ensoriki
your using 20 energy for the spike
Piious,Sweep,Eremites.
You won't be able to use it if you used Enraging charge.

If you used bulls strike you'll also loose the energy >.> check the elite
and running radiant insignia's isn't that bad

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

Ah warriors endurance >.<

Kahmal

Kahmal

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Isle of the nameless

Captain Tickles Pirate Palooza[Arrr]

W/

w/d

Flourish, Pious Assault, Bulls strike, Rush, Zealous Sweep, Distracting strike, frenzy, Res

14 str
12 scythe


just something I screwed around with, nothing great but fun to push buttons!

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

Apparently this is the dervish section

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
Apparently this is the dervish section
I never said you had to use it on a dervish lol. It is just in the dervish section because it is a dervish skill .

TimTimTimma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Indianapolis

krazy Guild with Krazzzzy People [krzy]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ensoriki
your using 20 energy for the spike
Piious,Sweep,Eremites.
You won't be able to use it if you used Enraging charge.

If you used bulls strike you'll also loose the energy >.> Everytime you hit you gain 3 energy, and the skills says it won't raise your energy above 10..25, that doesn't mean you can't gain more than 10..25 energy. The energy is not a problem at all.

I only use enraging for the 2-3 seconds warriors endurance is down to quickly recharge my adrenaline, but I am thinking about removing it for something else, not sure what yet.

P.S. Try flourish on a dervish, might surprise you.

deluxe

deluxe

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Monkeyball Z

S.K.A.T. [Ban]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by TimTimTimma
I only use enraging for the 2-3 seconds warriors endurance is down to quickly recharge my adrenaline, but I am thinking about removing it for something else, not sure what yet. i use that bar with distracting strike, another fast attack skill, and when your char stands up after your spike you can distract a key skill (if he survives that is )

Burst Cancel

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

I think it's pretty obvious that this skill has spike potential, but you'll need some way to account for the estrip on demand. In terms of a spammable deep wound I think it's plainly inferior to Mel+Wearying.

WarKaster

WarKaster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Los Angeles

SlingBlades

D/Mo

I don't think any one said it was a spamable deep wound...But it could be used to finish off a spike with a deep wound and just simply reapply the enchantment after your done with the target.

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

well it works well when you have no enchants and no condition removal or mel for the weakness from wearying.

Burst Cancel

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

Again, you need some way to deal with the strip on demand. You do not, for instance, want to self-strip Prot Spirit when you're spiking. And here's the thing about Deep Wound: you can't actually die from it. That means that in order for DW to be effective, some kind of damage has to be applied afterwards to drop the target (hence axe warriors with Evisc -> Crit/Agonizing). So, it's the draw speed of the second hit that's really critical from a spiking standpoint; it's nice if the first hit is fast too, but that's not where the speed is really making a difference.

In short, Mel+Wearying is probably better for less work. You could potentially run this on a Lyssa ... but they don't really have bar space for a cover enchantment, and their other enchantments need to stay on (Heart of Fury, AoHM, etc.). I don't see why you'd run this on a warrior except for the novelty; the bars above don't have any advantages over standard axe warrior setups.

CoonerTheRed

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

da Big Apple

The Amazon Basin

D/

I haven't played my Lyssa bar in a while... I'm trying to remember how often I'm resorting to a normal swing. Is HoF necessary on a Lyssa bar? With this replacing HoF on a standard Lyssa bar you're looking at 3x 3-4 second recharge, 5e skills and one 10e deep wound, none of which are affected by HoF. Is it sustainable to simply spam the three 5e skills and use pious occasionally and very, very rarely normal attack?

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

no. you need an IAS. even if your using timed attacks.

Burst Cancel

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

I typically run Flail instead of HoF on my (PvE) Lyssa, since we're running /W anyway. Again, though, is that it's not worth the bar space, especially on Lyssa, just to bring a cover for Pious. Even if you're not running HoF, the next enchantment under that is going to be AoHM most of the time - unless the monk just protted you, which makes Pious even worse.

The point is, there actually aren't that many situations where you'd actually want an enchantment removed - Eternal Aura is about the only one worth taking, and that has a 30s recharge; not exactly on-demand. You can argue that any enchantment that's about to end anyway can be removed without losing much, but again, that's not on-demand either.

Finally, IAS improves all attack speeds, including attacks with activations. Further, IAS allows you to use attacks with better effects (e.g., Victorious Sweep, Wild Blow) without unacceptable speed penalties.

NamelessBeauty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI

Mo/

It is good but the fact that it removes 1 enchant is kinda sux.

Derv is good when it has a lot of enchant. Less enchant = less energy/dmg.

Though very powerful running with [skill]Mirage Cloak[/skill]. Can be possible of 200 dmg in 1 hit - including deep wound dmg - 20% less HP (less than 1/4 sec beacause of 33% speed boost.)

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
Though very powerful running with [skill]Mirage Cloak[/skill]. Can be possible of 200 dmg in 1 hit - including deep wound dmg - 20% less HP (less than 1/4 sec beacause of 33% speed boost.) thats terrible for 25 energy...

Sirius-NZ

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

D/

What about something like this?

[skill]Crippling Victory[/skill][skill]Pious Assault[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Pious Haste[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Not entirely sold on pstrike, but at the very least that's a pious assault lyssa build with an IAS and speed boost, but no enchantments at all. Flail requires adrenaline to keep going of course, but if you hit enough...

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ
What about something like this?
[skill]Pious Assault[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Pious Haste[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Not entirely sold on pstrike, but at the very least that's a pious assault lyssa build with an IAS and speed boost, but no enchantments at all. Flail requires adrenaline to keep going of course, but if you hit enough...
anyway......

I wouldnt use crippling victory I would use mystic its another 3/4 skill.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass
anyway......

I wouldnt use crippling victory I would use mystic its another 3/4 skill. I just wouldn't use that god aweful bar full stop.

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ
What about something like this?

[skill]Crippling Victory[/skill][skill]Pious Assault[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Pious Haste[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Not entirely sold on pstrike, but at the very least that's a pious assault lyssa build with an IAS and speed boost, but no enchantments at all. Flail requires adrenaline to keep going of course, but if you hit enough... moar AOHM for PvE. alright for RA i guess...

MsMassacre

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

It's... okay. The added damage is still weak and the fast activation is sort of lost on a slow-recharging, expensive deep wound skill. What I'd prefer to fast activating deep wound is a fast activating high damage follow up!

The enchant loss is highly inconvenient. It's very hard to run an effective no-enchant dervish (esp in pve where there is AoHM) and applying an enchant just for this skill to remove is clunky, nullifying the fast activation part. I haven't seen a build yet that doesn't suffer for trying to work this skill in.

From a pve perspective, its recharge pretty much forbids it from my skill bar. I've tried w/d and d/w with flourish to solve that problem, and it doesn't really work. Also remember than deep wound is not nearly so important in pve as it is in pvp, since enemies have much higher hp totals and rely less on healing.

Sirius-NZ

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

D/

Oh... no, that's strictly a PvP bar. I don't know whether you could really work Pious Assault into PvE at all.

The issue is I haven't tested it either, which means you could quite likely run into problems... for instance, maybe Flail will actually be difficult to maintain, and I'm expecting energy management would be an issue too.

But that's the best I can come up with as far as bars that use that skill go; if you wanted to, you COULD use Heart of Fury and something like Rush instead, and just open the attack with Pious Assault before casting Heart of Fury ... but then there's the issue of whether the deep wound would last long enough.

Really, it's a pretty iffy skill. It's just too damn hard to find a situation (for a Dervish primary) where it's even a good idea...

Destromath

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

Grenths Dark Templars [GDT]

W/E

Well this isn't really Derv primary, but I felt like sharing this anyway since it dealt with Pious Assault. A long time ago, I was working on an attack spam build, but it lacked Deep Wound, so I abandoned it. Now, it's coming back from the grave XD.

[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Pious Assault[/skill]Distracting Strike[skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Warrior's Endurance[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
Scythe Mastery: 12
Strength: 10+1+1
Tactics: 8+1

Warrior's Endurance works as the energy management to allow many attack skills, which is then taken advantage of by the several 3/4 and 1/2 activation time skills. This essentially leads up to a form of extreme IAS =D. Distracting Strike is pretty optional though. I just threw it in there for another 1/2 activation and as an interrupt for when needed.

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Destromath
Well this isn't really Derv primary, but I felt like sharing this anyway since it dealt with Pious Assault. A long time ago, I was working on an attack spam build, but it lacked Deep Wound, so I abandoned it. Now, it's coming back from the grave XD.

[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Pious Assault[/skill]Distracting Strike[skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Warrior's Endurance[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
Scythe Mastery: 12
Strength: 10+1+1
Tactics: 8+1

Warrior's Endurance works as the energy management to allow many attack skills, which is then taken advantage of by the several 3/4 and 1/2 activation time skills. This essentially leads up to a form of extreme IAS =D. Distracting Strike is pretty optional though. I just threw it in there for another 1/2 activation and as an interrupt for when needed. warrior's endurance = no ias = fail

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
warrior's endurance = no ias = fail The point is that all your attacks are 1/2c speed so not having an IAS isn't that big of a deal. With a bar built like that you're able to constantly spam your attacks and keep full energy. There used to be a warrior hammer bar similar to it and it was amazing at putting out constant DPS.

Cherng Butter

Cherng Butter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Maryland

The Mirror Of Reason [SNOW]

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
warrior's endurance = no ias = fail Actually, the quick activation skills simulate an IAS, so it works. I wouldn't put Pious Assault on the bar still though, because normally I slap Aura of Holy Might on there.

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

short activation times are no excuse not to bring an IAS, that just makes em faster, and you can get in a few extra hits.

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

Yes they are. If all your attack skills are 1/2 and you can spam all three of them every 3-4 seconds it's perfectly reasonable to use Warrior's Endurance instead of an IAS stance

Pyro maniac

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
short activation times are no excuse not to bring an IAS, that just makes em faster, and you can get in a few extra hits. it works, even without IAS
Is the first bar with WE that actually works ..

ectos taste nasty

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by TimTimTimma
I don't consider it's damage, recharge, activation time over powered in any kind of way. Dervishes NEEDED another non-elite way of spreading deep wound and it has been added.

HOWEVER

The fact that it can be used on any weapon is questionable....I do believe they will change it to a scythe attack however. I hope they do not personally, because it offers a non-elite deep wound that isn't conditional and does additional damage. This skill shows great promise on a warriors bar, ESPICIALLY a hammer warriors bar. I went through RA today and ran the following:

[skill]hammer bash[/skill][skill]pious assault[/skill][skill]mystic sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]warrior's endurance[/skill][skill]bull's strike[/skill]

And it worked AWESOME.

It could use some work, but I am definitely thinking this has major potential. Just used that,got 10 wins in RA. First try :P

GG