What skill is better to use?

Tooplex198

Tooplex198

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

A/W

I was wondering which of these skills would be better put to use with my W/R I want an increase in attack speed but dont know which is best im thinking either this: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Heket%27s_Rampage

or this:http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Tiger%27s_Fury

Or maybe you can suggest one. Any ideas?

P.S i have 12 beast mastery

Marverick

Marverick

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Join Date: Aug 2006

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Heket's makes you unable to use attack skills so I don't see what's making it so hard to decide...

[skill=text]Flail[/skill] is better in PvE... [skill=text]Frenzy[/skill] in PvP... and there is no reason to run beast mastery on a Warrior.

Alex the Great

Alex the Great

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Join Date: Feb 2007

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neither

flail as posted above

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

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Both of those are terrible.

Flail @ 3 Strength > both

Or Frenzy.

Grammar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Flail @ 3 Strength > both Rangers can't have 3 strength, only 0 strength (5 seconds of Flail).

Stormlord Alex

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grammar
Rangers can't have 3 strength, only 0 strength (5 seconds of Flail).
Quote: Originally Posted by Tooplex198
... use with my W/R ... Rawr.

Alex the Great

Alex the Great

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maybe we should see the rest of the build?

Tooplex198

Tooplex198

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex the Great
maybe we should see the rest of the build? Ok here it is:

Dismember
Axe Twist
Executioners Strike
Penetrating Blow
(IAS Skill)
Heal As One
Charm Animal
Res Sig

Enjoy.

lennymon

lennymon

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hmm, since you *are* going to be specced for beast mastery and none of your vital skills are energy based Tiger's Fury would work, but Flail is good as well with the drawback of less mobility. You may also consider [skill]Tiger Stance[/skill] as the cost is less, but it's not going to last as long.

Wakka

Wakka

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Join Date: Sep 2006

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I would recommend Flail.

But drop whichever skill your talking about that causes AP and put in [skill=text]Bull's Strike[/skill]

lennymon

lennymon

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakka
I would recommend Flail.

But drop whichever skill your talking about that causes AP and put in [skill=text]Bull's Strike[/skill] good one, another idea for fuel would be to 1: trust in the monk 2: drop penetrating blow AND heal as one and 3: put in Ferocious strike and comfort animal using flail

Tooplex198

Tooplex198

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by lennymon
good one, another idea for fuel would be to 1: trust in the monk 2: drop penetrating blow AND heal as one and 3: put in Ferocious strike and comfort animal using flail
1:Ive trusted in monks before and that left me dead because i had Healing Signet.

2:If i drop Heal as one then i have no self heal.

3:I prefer to keep my energy flow to high for my IAS skill and like i said i have no self heal.

Quote: Originally Posted by lennymon hmm, since you *are* going to be specced for beast mastery and none of your vital skills are energy based Tiger's Fury would work, but Flail is good as well with the drawback of less mobility. You may also consider [skill]Tiger Stance[/skill] as the cost is less, but it's not going to last as long. I considered Tiger Stance but the high cool down put me off it as i have quite a low strength(9) but yeh i first considered Tigers Fury but then i saw Hekets Rampage and saw the low cost so :/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakka
I would recommend Flail.

But drop whichever skill your talking about that causes AP and put in [skill=text]Bull's Strike[/skill] I thought about flail but i have no way to cancel it and waiting for it to end is a bummer. I never found much use for Bulls Strike in PvE to tell the truth never used it much so yeh better off getting a skill that uses adrenaline (which i prefer) than a attack that uses energy and i never use :/

P.S The AP skill is Penetrating Blow and instead of Axe Rake i meant Axe Twist Sorry I was at college at the time so i went by memory. ill edit my post now.

Any other Suggestions?

Teutonic Paladin

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tooplex198
1:Ive trusted in monks before and that left me dead because i had Healing Signet. So basically, you won't die but it doesn't matter because you can't do anything. If you can trust monks don't play with them because you cannot be effective as a warrior if you can't rely on your heroes/players to keep you up.

lennymon

lennymon

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Well, I'd recommend rampage as one or never rampage alone, but I think without expertise you'll never pull it off. Self healing in beast mastery without an elite:
[skill]Predatory Bond[/skill] especially since I don't think it's (edit: heal as one) a very good healing skill unless your pet is doing almost all of the tanking (i.e. full on beastmaster)
On heket's vs tf if you wanna consider just those, I'd personally go tf since the axe attacks you've got are going to be useless with heket's.

Clarissa F

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Join Date: Nov 2007

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you know rangers are great when other classes come here for advice.

Tooplex198

Tooplex198

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by lennymon
Well, I'd recommend rampage as one or never rampage alone, but I think without expertise you'll never pull it off. Self healing in beast mastery without an elite:
[skill]Predatory Bond[/skill] especially since I don't think it's (edit: heal as one) a very good healing skill unless your pet is doing almost all of the tanking (i.e. full on beastmaster)
On heket's vs tf if you wanna consider just those, I'd personally go tf since the axe attacks you've got are going to be useless with heket's. If i were to use predatory bond which would be a good elite to use instead of Heal as one?

lennymon

lennymon

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The afforementioned [skill]Ferocious Strike[/skill] to fuel not only aderenaline based attacks but also the energy based ias and healing skills.

Edit: another thought occured to me... [skill]Soldier's Stance[/skill][skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill] would give you both ias and defense permanent starting at 9 tactics, but would require respec.

Tooplex198

Tooplex198

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

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That furious strike is a thought but that i had another thought the Predatory bond only lasts 17 seconds and it has a cooldown of 30 its what kind of made me hesitant to use it.

Any other ideas?

P.S I have 35 energy in case your wondering.

Brian the Gladiator

Brian the Gladiator

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why is this in the ranger section of the forum??? does anyone else see the missed steps in logic here??? This is for a W/R not a R/W... I heard reading the original post is fun!

lennymon

lennymon

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tooplex198
That furious strike is a thought but that i had another thought the Predatory bond only lasts 17 seconds and it has a cooldown of 30 its what kind of made me hesitant to use it.

Any other ideas?

P.S I have 35 energy in case your wondering. Well without expertise, the 2 10e skills (not even considering pet healing) will eat through your 35 quickly. Zealous axe may be the way to go. The Predatory bond may only last 17/30 seconds, but it heals a lot. I throw it on when I get about 50% health and I tend to be near full when it wears off unless for some reason the pet dies which cancels all of it's current shouts. Think of it like swapping to a super-vamp pet or something with no downside really (no cast time, you can even shout when sitting down). The other reason I'm suggesting it is that what other non elite heal options do you have and are they as good (I think no)? Personally I'd use flail, but I'd also never use a w/r beastmaster.

NamelessBeauty

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- Flail if you are using hammer.
- Frenzy, Tiger Fury if you are running a sword or axe.
For the ranger attack speed boost:
- Tiger fury is best (Old school iway) or just iway itself (Iway give u attack speed boost)
- Hecket if you are going to use [skill]Primal Rage[/skill]

Pyro maniac

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
- Hecket if you are going to use [skill]Primal Rage[/skill] `please, so you can cancel that godawful skill