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LukeD

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

England

Gettin Money Like We Just Found [OiL]

Mo/E

25 Jan 2008 at 08:05 - 1

I think that it would be so cool and make the game more fun if conditions actually effected your screen as well as ur charecter.

current conditions:

* Bleeding, -3 Health degeneration
* Blind, 90% chance to miss
* Burning, -7 Health degeneration
* Cracked Armor, -20 armor, minimum 60 armor
* Crippled, 50% slower movement
* Dazed, twice as long to cast spells, spells are easily interrupted
* Deep Wound, 20% less maximum health, 20% less healing on this
* Disease, -4 Health degeneration, contagious to all adjacent of the same
* Poison, -4 Health degeneration
* Weakness, 66% less damage dealt in combat, -1 to all attributes

most of these wont be able to show a screen effect.

But. ones like Daze,Blind,Poisen,Burning u would.

Daze: could make ur screen like the heavy drunk.
Blind: could make ur screen uber messed not totally blinded but make it very poor visiblility.
Poisen: the outer edges of ur screen are green like you care poisened.
Burning: the out edges of ur screens are Red or burning effect.
Desease: could make you screen go rly wobbly around the edge and more as it last longer. or jsut the same as Poisen.
Bleeding: can have a red effects around you screen.

Cripple/Cracked Armour/Weakness and Deepwound i dont know but its just an idea

i think it would be cool

im gonna get some photoshop and have a look at what i can do to the ffects to make it look like what i had in mind.

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

25 Jan 2008 at 08:11 - 2

Why would anyone want this? This negatively effects your gameplay. Even if this feature was optional, why would anyone want a cool effect to negatively effect their gameplay?

/notsigned

Tr33zon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

East Sussex, England

Zealots of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

W/

25 Jan 2008 at 08:12 - 3

I think if there was the option to turn this on/off it would be a neat little idea - I wouldn't use it in PvP, but in PvE I'd be all for this.

/signed (kind of).

LukeD

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

England

Gettin Money Like We Just Found [OiL]

Mo/E

25 Jan 2008 at 08:16 - 4

its to make conditions feel real i think it would be really cool

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

25 Jan 2008 at 08:20 - 5

Sure, it makes cool effects. It still negatively effects your gameplay. The con outweighs the pro by far.

How would you like playing a caster while someone blinds you so your screen gets "messed up"? How would you like playing a melee character while someone dazes you and your screen goes blurry? My point is blind isn't supposed to effect casters, daze isn't supposed to effect melee. This is really unnecessary.

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

25 Jan 2008 at 08:23 - 6

I'm gonna try not to make a bash at ZoS, but lol.

/unsigned

(btw, this reminds me of a mesmer video I saw on youtube, if anyone finds it post it here plx <3)

*spike this target in 4, 3, .....
*blinding monk1
*galing monk2

lolurded.

See the problem?

Squishy ftw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Your backline

W/

25 Jan 2008 at 08:25 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Why would anyone want this? This negatively effects your gameplay. Even if this feature was optional, why would anyone want a cool effect to negatively effect their gameplay?

/notsigned

QFT.

The conditions already are a negative effect for you, why add more negative effects to those same conditions

LukeD

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

England

Gettin Money Like We Just Found [OiL]

Mo/E

25 Jan 2008 at 08:32 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

I'm gonna try not to make a bash at ZoS, but lol.

what would this have to do with zos? its my idea not zos's so ur right its not going to be about zos.

Anyway i see urs points so yea idea fails

the melee daze caster blind thing would suck

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

25 Jan 2008 at 09:08 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

It still negatively effects your gameplay.

Not for roleplayers. Immersion FTW!

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

25 Jan 2008 at 09:20 - 10

This thread reminds me of Eternal Darkness for the Gamecube. Awesome game. If you never played it, scroll down to the "Sanity Effects" in that article. Toying with the player works great in a one-player game.

Guild Wars is not Eternal Darkness, however, nor is it single player. It is multiplayer, and competitive, and adding this to the game just adds needless frustration. In fact, it would likely lead to degenerate play; ie: you would apply conditions on players not based on their harmful in-game effect, but to instead cause them to lose visibility. I'm sure griefers in RA would love this, especially "Blind."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faer

Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth is another amazing game that employs the "if your screen is messed up you are ****ed" mechanic. I highly recommend it.

I remember when that game came out on XBox, actually, but I didn't know about the PC version. I've never owned an XBox. I'd completely forgot about it; thanks for reminding me!

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

25 Jan 2008 at 09:25 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

This thread reminds me of Eternal Darkness for the Gamecube. Awesome game. If you never played it, scroll down to the "Sanity Effects" in that article. Toying with the player works great in a one-player game.

Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth is another amazing game that employs the "if your screen is messed up you are ****ed" mechanic. I highly recommend it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

Guild Wars is not Eternal Darkness, however, nor is it single player. It is multiplayer, and competitive, and adding this to the game just adds needless frustration. In fact, it would likely lead to degenerate play; ie: you would apply conditions on players not based on their harmful in-game effect, but to instead cause them to lose visibility. I'm sure griefers in RA would love this, especially "Blind."

I'm sure anyone who was in their right mind would disable such visual effects when entering any form of competitive arena, to avoid such issues.

It does all seem a bit silly, but hey, everyone has different desires, I guess.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

25 Jan 2008 at 09:59 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeD

i think it would be really cool

I don't

/not signed

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

25 Jan 2008 at 10:11 - 13

Ok, make that. I don't care, I have to play with post-processing turned off.
So more handicap for those with better machines.

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

25 Jan 2008 at 11:29 - 14

Wasn't something EXACTLY the same suggested a year ago, shot down to hell and died? This must be the anniversary.

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

25 Jan 2008 at 12:00 - 15

Cracked Armor: a small crack appears in the corner of your monitor, increasing in size everytime the condition is applied to you.
Cripple: you try to get out of your chair to get something to drink but fall flat on your face.
Weakness: you no longer have the ability to keep your head from smashing into the keyboard.

Beeb beeb

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

P/W

25 Jan 2008 at 13:08 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

I'm gonna try not to make a bash at ZoS, but lol.

/unsigned

(btw, this reminds me of a mesmer video I saw on youtube, if anyone finds it post it here plx <3)

This one?

12 chars

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

25 Jan 2008 at 13:12 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beeb beeb

This one?

12 chars

That's the one, thanks. :P

System_Crush

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2006

Tripping in Holland

My guild died :`(

N/

25 Jan 2008 at 14:00 - 18

No, the effect of this is more annoying that useful.

While I am all for better condition visualization, but on my character, not on my screen.
Actually dripping sizable amounts of blood on the ground, while bleeding.
Coughing and looking awful when diseased.
Running with both hands stretched out in front while blind.
And missing arms or legs while suffering from deep wound.

That would make conditions real, it this was a first person game then you'd have a point, but this is a team based game where people that do more than just TAB+SPACE need to keep oversight in.

Although, I imagine [skill=text]Decapitate[/skill] would be rather odd if it where to be that way.

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

25 Jan 2008 at 15:52 - 19

It is rather strange that one can suffer from Decapitate and still fight.

Oh, wait ..... this is GW! No need for a head on your body to play this game.

snoopypup248

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Georgia

Legendary Guardians of Olympus [ZEUS]

D/

25 Jan 2008 at 16:00 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeD

Daze: could make ur screen like the heavy drunk.
Blind: could make ur screen uber messed not totally blinded but make it very poor visiblility.

Not that I dislike your creativity, but do you know how many people will just create groups with those skills and how annoying it would be...

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

25 Jan 2008 at 16:59 - 21

Hm... let's see let's see, now that I have time:

# Bleeding
Current visual: Red mist around the middle of character's height.
Possible additional visual: This one is easy. Blood drips appearing on the ground, like the footprints characters already leave.

# Blind Condition.
Current visual: Black fog coming from target's head.
Possible additional visual: Sepia filter(like an old photo), decrease bright.

# Burning.
Current visual: Flame.
Possible additional visual: Increase screen bright. Turn health bar orange.

# Cracked Armor
Current visual: Same as weakness.
Possible additional visual: Sparkling fog around the character's torso. Cracks in the Health bar.

# Crippled
Current visual: Player walks crippled.
Possible additional visual: No need to more. It's perfect.

# Dazed
Current visual: White bubbles coming from the head..
Possible additional visual: While not attacking, moving or activating skills, character grabs his head with the left hand. Before starting to cast, character shakes his head.

# Deep Wound:
Current visual: 'Exhausted' health bar.
Possible additional visual: Heal numbers turn cyan with grey borders instead of Blue with black borders. While not attacking, moving or activating skills, character grabs his chest or arm with the left hand. 'Spiked' gray fog around the character's shoulders.

# Disease
Current visual: Green health bar. Putrid green mist with flyes around the character.
Possible additional visual: Yellowish health bar. Greenish skin. While not attacking, moving or activating skills, character coughs once every 2..5 seconds.

# Poison
Current visual: Green health bar. Green fog around the character.
Possible additional visual: While not attacking, moving or activating skills, character grabs his throat with the left hand. Green breath (Like the white breath we see in snowy areas, just green)

# Weakness
Current visual: Khaki dust around character's feet.
Possible additional visual: Character attack's lose the variable animations, the same 'weak looking' one is used only. Damage numbers turn khaki with gray borders instead of yellow with black border. Character's attacks do not have hit flashes or much smaller ones.

Combined effects in the health bar.
Current visual: They get replaced: Hex>Poison/Disease>Bleeding.
Possible visual: They would appear as diagonal 'bands' across the health bar, like rainbow candy cane colors.

RiKio

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Plato's Cave

W/E

25 Jan 2008 at 18:17 - 22

Ok. Now, imagine you are playing having Dazed, Bleeding, Poison, Disease, etc..

Prof Of Black

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

@ Sensation Black

Death is Energy [DIE] ~ Raining fame alliance

25 Jan 2008 at 18:32 - 23

Agreed with Arkantos.

~Prof.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

25 Jan 2008 at 18:42 - 24

Here is what you do when U post well taught ideas out on guru.

You think about WHY would you want to do it? To make it real?

1. You're playing a fantasy game, GW is NOT real, GLINT is a character in a game, dragons do NOT exist.

2. Camere is floating behind your character, it simply makes no sence that these conditions would magicly "affect" the camera...

3. As noted before, think about blindness/dazed etc...

4. WHY? To annoy people?

5. Meh, I need some coffee

I don't get the point WHY u would want to add this, but HEY, if you really want it, I'm sure U would love to take the time to learn how to write a mod in texmod? I'm pretty sure something like this is easy doable, gl...

Pan Head

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/R

25 Jan 2008 at 18:50 - 25

/signed it would be pretty cool.

But in eye of the north dungeon with all the frogs is already like this. Your screen looks like you are level 5 drunk.

Tundra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

25 Jan 2008 at 18:53 - 26

It would take way too many resourses from your cpu.
/notsigned

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

25 Jan 2008 at 18:53 - 27

/not signed

ALmost the worst thread ever.

If you wanna get dazed come over and i'll punch you in the face a couple of times.

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

25 Jan 2008 at 18:56 - 28

Drunken effect style for blind would be cool

I personally think spell casting could see some sort of disadvantage for being blind

I also think it will be addressed in GW2

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

25 Jan 2008 at 19:00 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Why would anyone want this? This negatively effects your gameplay. Even if this feature was optional, why would anyone want a cool effect to negatively effect their gameplay?

/notsigned

Because then "casual roleplayers" who enjoy dying and getting 60'ed can experience the reality of the game! And then complain how this game is too hard because they got 60'ed

I thought you've been around Sardelac to know how these guys think :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

I'm gonna try not to make a bash at ZoS, but lol.

Hey, they're amazing, alright? Andrew Patrick can easily keep archers up at VoD against splinters and when I asked if I could join ZoS GvG, they said for me to do my tryout with KT and if I was able to monk at a high level I might be able to join ZoS.

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

25 Jan 2008 at 19:03 - 30

When you crippled the screen turns to a 45 degree angle back and forth as you walk xD.

When you have deep wound a big chunk of the screen falls off.

Wouldnt be so bad if it was optional i guess.

The Daemon Warrior

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Netherlands

The Celestial Fellowship [CeF]

W/

25 Jan 2008 at 19:05 - 31

i think it's a good idea, as long as you've got the option 2 switch it on/off (And blindness musnt be 2 messy

) Would also make it easier 2 notice if uve got a condition on you (for the blind people who cant see the lil icons on their screen

) One thing though... what if you've got multiple conditions on you? Say Poison and Burning (BA+AP for example) then the edges'd go green and red at the same time

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

R/

25 Jan 2008 at 19:08 - 32

Quote:

Oraigionaly posted by Killed U Man
Here is what you do when U post well taught ideas out on guru.

You think about WHY would you want to do it? To make it real?

1. You're playing a fantasy game, GW is NOT real, GLINT is a character in a game, dragons do NOT exist.

2. Camere is floating behind your character, it simply makes no sence that these conditions would magicly "affect" the camera...

3. As noted before, think about blindness/dazed etc...

4. WHY? To annoy people?

5. Meh, I need some coffee

I don't get the point WHY u would want to add this, but HEY, if you really want it, I'm sure U would love to take the time to learn how to write a mod in texmod? I'm pretty sure something like this is easy doable, gl...

Excellent use of spell check

Anyway.....

/Not signed for all the reason above that prove ity's pure fail.

Lock thread or post kittens please

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

25 Jan 2008 at 19:09 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Daemon Warrior

i think it's a good idea, as long as you've got the option 2 switch it on/off (And blindness musnt be 2 messy

) Would also make it easier 2 notice if uve got a condition on you (for the blind people who cant see the lil icons on their screen

) One thing though... what if you've got multiple conditions on you? Say Poison and Burning (BA+AP for example) then the edges'd go green and red at the same time

when you have all the conditions you see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86kihAmSwI

genofreek

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

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25 Jan 2008 at 22:44 - 34

Blar. Even more reasons to keep Post-Processing OFF.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

25 Jan 2008 at 22:52 - 35

This idea is so bad on so many levels it's amazing

/notsigned

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

A/

26 Jan 2008 at 03:48 - 36

/notsigned could make people lag ><

Biostem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

26 Jan 2008 at 03:59 - 37

I think a better option might be to make the conditions less 'real", but more clearly indicated:

use a "floating icon" system, sort of like final fantasy games, where you would have little condition indicators as a graphic above the character's head.

Blind: an eye w/ a little circle w/ a slash through it, like a no smoking sign
Bleeding: a red droplet
Poison: a green droplet
Dazed: either a brain w/ a circle and slash, or possible a sort of star symbol
Crippled: a silhouette of a hunched-over person, or a leg w/ a break through it
Deep wound: a silhouette of a torso w/ a break through it
Cracked armor: a silhouette of a shield w/ a crack through it
Disease: either a bug or rat shape, or possibly use the biohazard symbol (might not be fitting)

I would also add status icons for slowed, sped up, IAS, etc. Overall, though, the current condition indicators don't clutter things up too much, which was probably a main focus of their implementation...

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

26 Jan 2008 at 04:13 - 38

Quote:

Daze

Obtain medium sized brick. In swift move, thrust said brick into head. Repeat until effect occurs.

Quote:

Blind

Aim laser pointer into general direction of the eyes. Continue until adequate blindness occurs.

Quote:

Poisen

Consult your home cleaning products.

Quote:

Burning

Liquids that can provide this effect are marked with a symbol. Use them in conjunction with source of fire.

Quote:

Bleeding

Effect is trivially obtainable through use of sharp objects.

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

26 Jan 2008 at 04:36 - 39

The effects on the health bar (orange, cracks, etc) are a bit corny, though I like the blood idea etc.

I want to know why GW doesn't have blood. Is it trying to keep a T rating or trying to gather a larger audience?

Warcraft III had blood and gibs and got by with a T.

tracco

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

Earth (mega lawl)

Lubricated Volcano Love

26 Jan 2008 at 06:35 - 40

From the title I was expecting something silly like:

Quote:

Have it so conditions in the game effect you in real life.

Ooh, this would require some fancy contraption that Anet could sell.
It'd have knives, flame-torches, syringes full of stereotypical green ooz and sedatives... Ahh...

Overall, I think my prediction of your idea is awful. EVEN THOUGH it would get Anet a little spending money.

I like your idea though. But they'd have to be very subtle and non-intrusive effects.

/halfsigned