Singers of Woe FoW'd
Mr Pink57
2h 30m was a lotta fun, and yes even more fun then yellow way since the healing was pretty much doubled and actually so was dmg.
I would imagine some are getting annoyed with me with posting FoW clears but oh well. Also we have one spot to fill for a complete team so if anyone wants to fill it IGN Paragon Pink.
I did change a few things from original build all paras have AR and I dropped echo and put in SoR instead I think thats all the changes/variants we did.
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Singers_of_Woe
I did get ok to post all names on guru.
pink
Shuriken
I would like to join you guys once. Pfong Spearwoven ingame.
Koning
The build on PvX wiki is (very) bad. Also, 2.5 hours is bad for clearing 
Don't know if that's because of the build, or because of the players.
Anyway, here's what we ran when we cleared the Fissure of Woe (1.5 hours back than):
3x SoR motivation para's:
Song of restoration
Finale of restoration
Chorus of restoration
Agressive refrain
Spear of Lightning
Merciless spear
Signet of Return
Optional (In this slot we need either Ballad of restoration/Signet of synergy/Mending refrain. We need all 3, the para's need to decide themselves which one each will bring)
11+1 Leadership
11+1 Motivation
8+1+1 Spear mastery (attributes might be optimized by spapping headpieces, however I've ran these builds on heroes so I couldn't do that).
1x SY! Para
Save Yourselves! (at least 4 secs, otherwise you can't maintain it forever)
Agressive refrain
Focussed Anger
Signet of return (if we dont bring essence, use FGJ)
Ebon battle standard of honor
Great dwarf weapon/Iam the strongest (depending on title
Spear of lightning
Vicious attack (or wild throw if you brought great dwarf weapon)
12+1+1 Spear mastery
11+1 Leadership
1x Anthem of Fury Para:
Anthem of Fury
Go for the Eyes!
Anthem of flame
They're on fire or something other usefull
Agressive Refrain
Anthem of Envy
Spear of Lightning/Vicious attack
Wild trow/Disrupting trow
12+1 Leadership (for a 4 adreanaline AoF)
8+1 Command
10+1+1 Spear mastery
1X damager
Cruel Spear
Spear of Lightning
Swift javelin (if with order, otherwise use vicious)
FGJ
Agressive refrain
There's nothing to fear (if lvl 8 SS or higher)
I am the strongest
Go For the Eyes!
12+1+1 Spear mastery
11+1 Leadership
rest in command
Expel Hexes Dude
Expel hexes
Inspired hex
Anthem of envy
Go For The Eyes!
Spear of lightning
Agressive refrain
Wild Throw/Merciless spear
signet of return
11+1+1 spear mastery
11+1 leadership
rest +1 in command
Than we're 7/8. For the last slot either another damager, or even an order. Make sure you either give that guy a TNTF (since only the cruel spear has TNTF in this set up), otherwise some other para from the above builds takes it (pref the anthem of fury one). No need for SoP in FoW, and maybe we can drop a few sigs of return for attack skills. I would suggest using this rather than what's on PvX, and maybe others might have tips to improve this even more?
Don't know if that's because of the build, or because of the players.Anyway, here's what we ran when we cleared the Fissure of Woe (1.5 hours back than):
3x SoR motivation para's:
Song of restoration
Finale of restoration
Chorus of restoration
Agressive refrain
Spear of Lightning
Merciless spear
Signet of Return
Optional (In this slot we need either Ballad of restoration/Signet of synergy/Mending refrain. We need all 3, the para's need to decide themselves which one each will bring)
11+1 Leadership
11+1 Motivation
8+1+1 Spear mastery (attributes might be optimized by spapping headpieces, however I've ran these builds on heroes so I couldn't do that).
1x SY! Para
Save Yourselves! (at least 4 secs, otherwise you can't maintain it forever)
Agressive refrain
Focussed Anger
Signet of return (if we dont bring essence, use FGJ)
Ebon battle standard of honor
Great dwarf weapon/Iam the strongest (depending on title
Spear of lightning
Vicious attack (or wild throw if you brought great dwarf weapon)
12+1+1 Spear mastery
11+1 Leadership
1x Anthem of Fury Para:
Anthem of Fury
Go for the Eyes!
Anthem of flame
They're on fire or something other usefull
Agressive Refrain
Anthem of Envy
Spear of Lightning/Vicious attack
Wild trow/Disrupting trow
12+1 Leadership (for a 4 adreanaline AoF)
8+1 Command
10+1+1 Spear mastery
1X damager
Cruel Spear
Spear of Lightning
Swift javelin (if with order, otherwise use vicious)
FGJ
Agressive refrain
There's nothing to fear (if lvl 8 SS or higher)
I am the strongest
Go For the Eyes!
12+1+1 Spear mastery
11+1 Leadership
rest in command
Expel Hexes Dude
Expel hexes
Inspired hex
Anthem of envy
Go For The Eyes!
Spear of lightning
Agressive refrain
Wild Throw/Merciless spear
signet of return
11+1+1 spear mastery
11+1 leadership
rest +1 in command
Than we're 7/8. For the last slot either another damager, or even an order. Make sure you either give that guy a TNTF (since only the cruel spear has TNTF in this set up), otherwise some other para from the above builds takes it (pref the anthem of fury one). No need for SoP in FoW, and maybe we can drop a few sigs of return for attack skills. I would suggest using this rather than what's on PvX, and maybe others might have tips to improve this even more?
Abedeus
Wow. I really MUST get my SoR Paragon to FoW in such a group, or I'll catch Expel Hexes.
Shaz
Nice job clearing. Not sure if you took really really long break between quest, but as Koning said, 2.5 hours to clear FoW NM is not that fast.
While group of lots of paragons are very fun to play, and is strong and durable, I find that anymore than 3 (or maybe 4) paragons in a group is redundance.
While group of lots of paragons are very fun to play, and is strong and durable, I find that anymore than 3 (or maybe 4) paragons in a group is redundance.
Arkantos
2h30m to beat NM FoW with a team full of an imba profession?
Meh, congrats anyways.
Meh, congrats anyways.
Mr Pink57
There where breaks yes, some where also new to fow. Also we are all strangers non of us where from the same guild it was all just random, so had to understand their build better as there para is not there main character like some.
The Shadow Patrol being inside the tower did kill quite some time trying to lure him exactly to the door to finish the quest as he kept going off the to the sides. I should have screenshot it to send to anet.
As for the builds posted thank you, I just wanted to try their team setup and see how it did. We did ok for the first shot at it with some new people. Also I'm thinking of the last spot maying being a charge paragon to get you moving a heck of a lot faster between fights.
pink
The Shadow Patrol being inside the tower did kill quite some time trying to lure him exactly to the door to finish the quest as he kept going off the to the sides. I should have screenshot it to send to anet.
As for the builds posted thank you, I just wanted to try their team setup and see how it did. We did ok for the first shot at it with some new people. Also I'm thinking of the last spot maying being a charge paragon to get you moving a heck of a lot faster between fights.
pink
MisterB
Only one of your Paragons in the PvX build has 12 or more Spear Mastery, while the rest have their attributes needlessly inflated to 16. You don't need 16 Leadership, Motivation, or Command for those builds, especially not the "Tactician." More Spear Mastery kills much faster, reducing the need for defense and healing. Paragons are good at killing fast while providing party-wide support if set up properly. Consider re-arranging your attributes so you have at least 11 in Spear, if not 12.
edit: Maybe 10 Spear on Motivation Paragons, I guess.
Congrats on the clear; not bad for a PuG with new builds.
edit: Maybe 10 Spear on Motivation Paragons, I guess.
Congrats on the clear; not bad for a PuG with new builds.
Krazi Bastid
i was in that group (sausage). i never played a motiv para but the build was easy to understand. spam skills as soon as they popped up is my style and exactly how i played it. shadow patrol stuck inside closed tower was pretty homo. we mustve stood at door like 15-20minutes getting a spear attack per driveby. chest gayed me out with a scroll ftl. i would love to do it again tho with a more efficient quest path.
kyo_sukara
hehe Mr Pink
am Karu the one that standing next to u in da photo
thank you for the 2hrs30mins run
that was the best team i ever had for FoW run
____________________________
Karu:Why u dyed your armor pink?
Paragon Pink:cuz am allow
Karu: ^_^
am Karu the one that standing next to u in da photo
thank you for the 2hrs30mins run
that was the best team i ever had for FoW run
____________________________
Karu:Why u dyed your armor pink?
Paragon Pink:cuz am allow
Karu: ^_^
Akolo
hmm as koning posted we ran that.. 3 dmg from Meteor Shower with SY TNTF and other buffs is insane...
took 1 hour 30 min... and had FUN during that whole time
took 1 hour 30 min... and had FUN during that whole time
MercenaryKnight
I was wondering, would it be good to run a p/n with Order of the Vampire elite? Seems like the life steal could help (even a tiny bit) with healing, as well as added damage. Could bring a +20% enchant mod (if that works).
Aggressive refrain isn't terribly needed. Cracked armor is annoying and if possible you could swap it out with drunken master. Otherwise bringing a few extra great dwarf weapons or summon vanguard assassin or anything to damage/ disrupt the enemy seems like it'd help more.
Aggressive refrain isn't terribly needed. Cracked armor is annoying and if possible you could swap it out with drunken master. Otherwise bringing a few extra great dwarf weapons or summon vanguard assassin or anything to damage/ disrupt the enemy seems like it'd help more.
Akolo
mercenary thats exactly what we used 
. We used adrenaline shouts to fuel the para's energy
. We used adrenaline shouts to fuel the para's energy
MercenaryKnight
Any suggestion or perhaps a copy of the build you used for the p/n? I really don't know how you'd set up for the rest of the build.
Akolo
Paragon/Necromancer
Spear Mastery 8+1
Command 9+1
Blood Magic 9
Leadership 10+1+3
[skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]"Go for the Eyes!"[/skill][skill]Anthem of Envy[/skill][skill]Ebon Battle Standard of Honor[/skill] [skill]Anthem of Weariness[/skill][skill]Dark Fury[/skill][skill]Order of the Vampire[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill]
this is the exact copy of what we used
Spear Mastery 8+1
Command 9+1
Blood Magic 9
Leadership 10+1+3
[skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]"Go for the Eyes!"[/skill][skill]Anthem of Envy[/skill][skill]Ebon Battle Standard of Honor[/skill] [skill]Anthem of Weariness[/skill][skill]Dark Fury[/skill][skill]Order of the Vampire[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill]
this is the exact copy of what we used
MercenaryKnight
If you used dark fury then OotV wouldn't work. It says if ally is under another necro enchantment that it doesn't work. So I guess you guys had to sub that out for Order of Pain instead if you want to use both of them.
Mr Pink57
Spear of Lightning will not trigger OoV.
pink
pink
Xue Fang
Quote:
Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
If you used dark fury then OotV wouldn't work. It says if ally is under another necro enchantment that it doesn't work. So I guess you guys had to sub that out for Order of Pain instead if you want to use both of them.
It's more than likely that they used Dark Fury to enter battle and build up adrenaline to power themselves, and used OotV for damage.
MercenaryKnight
Yeah, but you can't spam spear of lightning every attack so it'll add damage to every other spear you throw besides it. Or change it for swift javelin.
John Panda
nice. (:
i think you should try again for a better time though.
i think you should try again for a better time though.
Mr Pink57
If I was to take a OoV it would be a N/Rt with weapon spells/spirits vs a para with OoV. And then all paras would take Swift Javelin 
pink
pink
MercenaryKnight
Yeah but it would ruin the point of an all paragon trip if you brought an n/rt. But yeah that'd be better if you didn't want all paragons.
Akolo
its used time to time for adrenaline, ofc i know they dont stack. and OoV sped up as you mostly just attack..
MercenaryKnight
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koning
Don't know if that's because of the build, or because of the players.Anyway, here's what we ran when we cleared the Fissure of Woe (1.5 hours back than):
3x SoR motivation para's:
Song of restoration
Finale of restoration
Chorus of restoration
Agressive refrain
Spear of Lightning
Merciless spear
Signet of Return
Optional (In this slot we need either Ballad of restoration/Signet of synergy/Mending refrain. We need all 3, the para's need to decide themselves which one each will bring)
11+1 Leadership
11+1 Motivation
8+1+1 Spear mastery (attributes might be optimized by spapping headpieces, however I've ran these builds on heroes so I couldn't do that).
1x SY! Para
Save Yourselves! (at least 4 secs, otherwise you can't maintain it forever)
Agressive refrain
Focussed Anger
Signet of return (if we dont bring essence, use FGJ)
Ebon battle standard of honor
Great dwarf weapon/Iam the strongest (depending on title
Spear of lightning
Vicious attack (or wild throw if you brought great dwarf weapon)
12+1+1 Spear mastery
11+1 Leadership
1x Anthem of Fury Para:
Anthem of Fury
Go for the Eyes!
Anthem of flame
They're on fire or something other usefull
Agressive Refrain
Anthem of Envy
Spear of Lightning/Vicious attack
Wild trow/Disrupting trow
12+1 Leadership (for a 4 adreanaline AoF)
8+1 Command
10+1+1 Spear mastery
1X damager
Cruel Spear
Spear of Lightning
Swift javelin (if with order, otherwise use vicious)
FGJ
Agressive refrain
There's nothing to fear (if lvl 8 SS or higher)
I am the strongest
Go For the Eyes!
12+1+1 Spear mastery
11+1 Leadership
rest in command
Expel Hexes Dude
Expel hexes
Inspired hex
Anthem of envy
Go For The Eyes!
Spear of lightning
Agressive refrain
Wild Throw/Merciless spear
signet of return
11+1+1 spear mastery
11+1 leadership
rest +1 in command
Than we're 7/8. For the last slot either another damager, or even an order. Make sure you either give that guy a TNTF (since only the cruel spear has TNTF in this set up), otherwise some other para from the above builds takes it (pref the anthem of fury one). No need for SoP in FoW, and maybe we can drop a few sigs of return for attack skills. I would suggest using this rather than what's on PvX, and maybe others might have tips to improve this even more? Only thing is, it seems like the 3 song of restorations is a bit too much healing? When I went with a group that basically only had an echo signet of synergy healer that we were fine. So maybe take away 1 song of restoration healer and add in some more damage.
We also didn't use aggressive refrain so I don't know if that adds considerable more damage. But instead if players have it and a pve slot open they could use drunken master for an increased attack speed with no drawbacks. Or add a few more greater dwarf weapons to permanently keep duo monk shadow army mobs and what not down on the ground.
Koning
Quote:
Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
Or add a few more greater dwarf weapons to permanently keep duo monk shadow army mobs and what not down on the ground.
We don't need to keep them on the ground, since they fall way too quick
Also, yes 3x SoR might look alot, but the nice thing about this is that you can cast it, and completely forget about healing. So you can immediatly start attacking again thus doing more damage. If you echo signet of synergy you are more or less dedicating 1 person to healing, making sure that person does considerable less damage.
Also, yes 3x SoR might look alot, but the nice thing about this is that you can cast it, and completely forget about healing. So you can immediatly start attacking again thus doing more damage. If you echo signet of synergy you are more or less dedicating 1 person to healing, making sure that person does considerable less damage.
MercenaryKnight
Yeah, I didn't say us copying wiki was any good. But it just seemed like if you took out 1 or even 2 of the sor's, that you could add 2 more damaging paragons and still be healed enough not to have to worry.
But either way it is a nice team set up non the less. Better then when I ran those horrible wiki variants.
I will probably try to get an all paragon group going this saturday so I can complete fow for the monument. Most likely edit a few skills in your build and try to get the rest of them to run it heh.
But either way it is a nice team set up non the less. Better then when I ran those horrible wiki variants.
I will probably try to get an all paragon group going this saturday so I can complete fow for the monument. Most likely edit a few skills in your build and try to get the rest of them to run it heh.
fishy go moo
i will happily join you guys except you would have to meet in chantry of secrets cuz i dont have anywhere else but pm my paragon sometime his ign is omglololwut no wai (i think i forget spacing so just try different varients)
except you would have to meet in chantry of secrets cuz i dont have anywhere else but pm my paragon sometime his ign is omglololwut no wai (i think i forget spacing so just try different varients)
Abedeus
I would like to join ya too. I tried to make a team in my guild, but only 3-4 people said they have a paragon. Too bad so little people understand how imba and uber profession it is. IGN is on my left.
Do paragons meet in Chantry of Secrets? It's kinda far for me, as I have already finished campaign with 3 characters and I got to CoS on more, that I deleted already. Can you also start in ToA?
Do paragons meet in Chantry of Secrets? It's kinda far for me, as I have already finished campaign with 3 characters and I got to CoS on more, that I deleted already. Can you also start in ToA?
fishy go moo
permission to use named granted
just came back fricking 3 hours but this guy had to take a 30 min break and go do something so yesh
http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw253vn7.jpg
weeeeeeeeee
just came back fricking 3 hours but this guy had to take a 30 min break and go do something so yesh
http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw253vn7.jpg
weeeeeeeeee
distilledwill
Id love to join once I get Leg Survivor on my para.
Good job.
Good job.
odly
I did a full run of FoW with my paragon in 1h45 yesterday.
We had a normal balanced group of friends where everyone plays whatever profession and build he wants...
We had a normal balanced group of friends where everyone plays whatever profession and build he wants...
Redvex
I'm rank 3 on alliance title so it's good for running sy?
Miss Harblz
Hey,
I would love to go for a Para Fow run =)
Ign is Mistress yakslapper
If I can come please post which build I should use in a advance so I can practice/find the skills if I don't have them all =
Thanks allot
The yak
I would love to go for a Para Fow run =)
Ign is Mistress yakslapper
If I can come please post which build I should use in a advance so I can practice/find the skills if I don't have them all =
Thanks allot
The yak
Sha Noran
ROFL 2.5 hours to clear Normal Mode FoW with EIGHT Paragons? My God, what are you doing wrong?
I'm not even trying to be mean, I wish there was something I could do to help you get done faster.
Edit: Actually, I know why it takes you so long... you have WAY more healing than you need when you're only doing normal mode and you eight players in perma-god-mode. Drop a Song Resto dude for another damage dealer, toss in a pair of "Shields Up!", have your SY guy bring "Charge!" as his elite, and never stop agroing.
I'm not even trying to be mean, I wish there was something I could do to help you get done faster.
Edit: Actually, I know why it takes you so long... you have WAY more healing than you need when you're only doing normal mode and you eight players in perma-god-mode. Drop a Song Resto dude for another damage dealer, toss in a pair of "Shields Up!", have your SY guy bring "Charge!" as his elite, and never stop agroing.
Richardt
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redvex
I'm rank 3 on alliance title so it's good for running sy?
Should be at least rank 4.
xDusT II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richardt
Should be at least rank 4.
Rank 3-6 gives you a 4 second Save Yourself.
Akolo
guess i could share our time
could have been faster tbh
and dont mind my bar mantra is completely useless XD
could have been faster tbh
and dont mind my bar mantra is completely useless XD
Kalta
Hum, 1h35, great time !
Can you post builds please ?
2 Motivation
1 P/N Order
1 SY TNTF
1 Expel
3 Damagers
??
Can you post builds please ?
2 Motivation
1 P/N Order
1 SY TNTF
1 Expel
3 Damagers
??
Koning
Look at first page
Akolo
yep, koning posted there, its the same