A small screenie of all mesmer sillyness

Shanaeri Rynale

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

27 Jan 2008 at 02:13 - 1
I'd not played much today, so was getting a little stirr crazy so decided to grab 2 guildies and throw together a build for FoW(prep time was 2 mins).

We decided to try and use as many mesmer skills as we could.

No PvE skills
No consumables
Max of 3 humans.
The only secondary profession skill allowed was hard res
Could only use mesmer self heals. i.e No non attack self heals(so Illu of weakness was out)

So basically the only protection the party had was to deny the effects of the enemy while inflicting enough damage to kill them.

Tbh the weakest part of our "throw it in and see build" were the heroes, bascially we had to play 3 roles at the same time as the heroes decided to take the day off. It was'nt that hard, but just annoying.

Anyway we managed, rastigan all the way to completing the restore quest, which was pretty fun as mesmer condition removal is weak



A more synagised and more people in the build would allow completion pretty easily. As I said, nothing staggeringly hard this time around, and the concept of using kiting, shutdown and pressure mitigation is'nt new. But it did make a really nice change of pace from AoE smash bang of recent times.

Uber Mass

Uber Mass

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Netherlands

retired from gw [agro] still ftw

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27 Jan 2008 at 08:07 - 2
<3 these fun runz keep it up ^_^

NecroticChanter

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

Toronto

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27 Jan 2008 at 14:29 - 3
Very impressive. O.o

Shadowmere

Shadowmere

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Grim Squeakers [REAP]

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27 Jan 2008 at 17:58 - 4
Oh you silly mesmers! I love it! Never change! :-D

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

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27 Jan 2008 at 19:48 - 5
and who says mezzy's cant pve

distilledwill

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

28 Jan 2008 at 20:20 - 6
Thats pretty freaking awesome. Good job.

Chrono Re delle Ere

Chrono Re delle Ere

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Land of Hyrule

[GoE]

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28 Jan 2008 at 21:00 - 7
I don't get that much impressed into seeing mesmers doing anything; I've always known that they were very good both at pve and pvp :P

Mark Nevermiss

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

28 Jan 2008 at 21:02 - 8
If you want to recruit some more live mesmers I am ready and willing. The FOW scroll is on me :P
I haven't used my mesmer in quite some time and would love to try that out.

God of the blade

God of the blade

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Delft ^_^

Defenders of the Blackblade

Mo/E

28 Jan 2008 at 21:42 - 9
nice job, it makes me almost create a mesmer

Shanaeri Rynale

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

24 Feb 2008 at 02:45 - 10
Just an update..

This week we took a team of 6 people to FoW, using only mesmer skills, no PvE skills, no consumables and the only non mesmer skill we could take was a hard res.

Sometimes the all mesmer runs have been critised for just running FC monks, or ele's. In this team there was none of that, only the native protection the mesmer can bring.

This week, we cleared all quests in FoW using the above rules. It took a while, half of the quests were done with 5 people and 2XGwens (who usually had over 30%DP).



It was fantastic to see just how effective shutdown, interupts and denial is in PvE and how much pressure it can take away from the team. People claim the mesmer is not effective in PvE, I maintain it is effective(it might not be the fastest, easiest to play or 'optimal) and hopefully this goes some of the way to demonstrating that the mesmer still has a place in GW PvE.

Some of the areas were pretty tough, esp with no condition removal, very limited hex removal(the one who disconnected was our main hex remover), and no prot, heal or skills from other professions.

It was a great run, and a huge credit to the team for indulging me and surprising me in getting past areas we really should not have been able to.
However as you see we did, and I know it was the most fun FoW clear i've done in ages.

Jamison0071

Jamison0071

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Melbourne, Australia

Morporkian Mercenaries

N/Me

24 Feb 2008 at 05:16 - 11
Wow very nice Shan! Mesmer Power!

Chicken of the Seas

Chicken of the Seas

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

California, USA

Vulpes Velox [Fox]

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24 Feb 2008 at 05:41 - 12
Thats awesome! Someday I wouldn't mind trying something like that, if you ever need someone extra let me know ^^

Reason

Reason

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

California

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24 Feb 2008 at 07:35 - 13
Man, anyone who can do this with a mesmer deserves the respect of every GW player.


/bow


You guys are amazing.

Steboy93

Steboy93

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Feb 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] | Ex-Officer [TAM]

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24 Feb 2008 at 09:15 - 14
Haha, what is excellent!

Keep up the mesmer ownage

Eldin

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

24 Feb 2008 at 15:32 - 15
Amazing work Shan! Mesmers FTW!

You make me want to play on my mesmer (whom hasn't seen much done lately).

It's true, it's amazing how much pressure mesmers can put on the enemy in prevention of actions and attacking - not to mention the AI isn't smart enough to comprehend it!

noneedforclevernames

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Jay To Much [SrE]

Me/N

25 Feb 2008 at 00:58 - 16
IDK why people assume mesmers are so bad. I actually have a Mesmer build that inturupts + does more damage than my SF build..

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

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25 Feb 2008 at 02:48 - 17
My three mesmers would love to join a group like that....

draxynnic

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

25 Feb 2008 at 03:37 - 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
and who says mezzy's cant pve They can... the problem is, virtually anything a primary mesmer can do, there is another profession/profession/title combination that can do it better.

Still... this looks like it would be a lot of fun...

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

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25 Feb 2008 at 05:49 - 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by draxynnic
They can... the problem is, virtually anything a primary mesmer can do, there is another profession/profession/title combination that can do it better. kidding is ftw?

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

25 Feb 2008 at 06:06 - 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
kidding is ftw? What he means is... what the mesmers ran where just subpar versions of what other professions can do. For example FC nukers are alright, but ele nukers are better. A profession is usually meant to stick to most of it's skills and venture to their secondary profession for use of 2-3 skills. If you're primarily using your secondary skills you're only playing a subpar build. That said, it's possible to clear out FoW/UW etc with an all mesmer team, all ele team, all derv team, all paragon team, etc. You're just losing out on efficiency if you do so.

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

25 Feb 2008 at 20:43 - 21
Congratulations. You have done it again. However...

I'd like to take this opportunity to be the first to say that I am not impressed. Just because a team full of shutdown can clear an area, that does not mean a single bar of shutdown is viable in a certain gametype. Naturally, eight Mesmers should be able to, in theory, clear any area of the PvE game, simply because they have the ability to bring eight bars full of almost nothing but enemy shutdown, and if the enemy is completely shut down, the enemy can not do anything. However, this is inefficient, as shutdown can only go so far, and you are much better off bringing a team of various professions to get the job done quicker and easier.

Additionally, what is with this 495HP/50E nonsense? I smell superior runes and other such deplorable equipment choices.

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

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25 Feb 2008 at 23:05 - 22
That's called 'bad players' Faer. Using Radiant insignias and Sup runes...

I like that the heroes have 60 DP, I guess it didn't go as well as you expected, what with 8 shut down characters that can COMPLETELY stop all FoW monsters from doing anything. Owait...guess they didn't.

Shanaeri Rynale

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

25 Feb 2008 at 23:57 - 23
ROFL at the above comments.

It was run to play with non of this PvE skills, consumables stuff and it felt like the way GW used to play pre Sorrows Furnace.

I never claimed it was efficient, only that it was effective(meaning it can get the job done).


Quote:
It was fantastic to see just how effective shutdown, interupts and denial is in PvE and how much pressure it can take away from the team. People claim the mesmer is not effective in PvE, I maintain it is effective(it might not be the fastest, easiest to play or 'optimal) and hopefully this goes some of the way to demonstrating that the mesmer still has a place in GW PvE. If people want fast, run ursan or somesuch broken build. Use PvE skills and consumables to the max etc etc. But for me, the challenge of running broken skills has gotten stale, and is requiring less and less skill to play. Ofc when we feel like playing GW shoot em up thats fine and great, but sometimes it's nice to get back to how things used to be.

Common sense says mixed professions will be more efficient. Thats why Anet put them there =p

Yup 8 people can take all shutdown skills, but they will be there a long time as whats supposed to kill the mobs? Boredom I presume - lol.

As for the runes and equipment comment thats so funny and riduclous it's not really worth a comment on. Well maybe one. You only saw one screenie and one snapshot, so you assumed we ran the same runes and insignia all the time. You assumed wrong. Often because of degen and hexes, running sups would be suicide so armor was swapped in and out as seen fit.

I await Fenix's and Faer's mesmer exploits with baited breath. Want to come with us next time, i'm sure the two Gwens we had would'nt mind missing out?

Hailfall

Hailfall

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Germany

Phantom Commando

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25 Feb 2008 at 23:57 - 24
Wow or you just say nothing.

People do those things for fun, and nothing else. Why else would you do that? Making a Full <insert class> team is something you do if you want to have some fun.. and if you dont make it all the way trough then what gives?

edit: this was ofcourse aimed at Fenix and Faer..

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

26 Feb 2008 at 00:29 - 25
Oh wow, I was mostly aiming my paragraph at the people who rushed in to say "OMG MESMERS RLY R LEET". It wasn't really in direct response to the feat that was being discussed, but rather at those who would make it out to be more than what it actually was. Sorry for any misunderstandings there. Quote:
Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale
so you assumed we ran the same runes and insignia all the time. You assumed wrong.
You assumed one, or both of us (being Fenix and myself, I suppose), was assuming something. You assumed wrong. I merely asked a question. You could have merely supplied an answer to the question, rather than getting defensive about it. But, I suppose, if one is not praising you, one is attacking you. Of course, the fact still remains that you carry equipment with you that is runed/insig'd/inscribed poorly. You shouldn't really need to do that, and I'd appreciate it if you could explain why you choose to bring sub-par equipment with you. Perhaps if I saw the reasoning and logic behind the need for you to have less than 600 health and more than 35 energy at any given time...

As to me filling out one of your Hero spots, I don't think I'll take you up on that offer. As much as I enjoy taking my own Mesmer out for walks, I don't think I'd be very comfortable running the bars you would probably request I run, or spending any more than an hour clearing FoW. Besides, World of Warcraft... Well, you know.

Maybe some other time, though. Feel free to ask me the next time you have a free slot open for whatever you decide to do next.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hailfall
Wow or you just say nothing. Yes, because naturally, the Universal Law is to give praise or shut up. Clearly, criticism is a horrendous evil that must be smitten from the face of the forums. I'll be sure to take note of that. Thanks.

draxynnic

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

26 Feb 2008 at 05:08 - 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Phantom
What he means is... what the mesmers ran where just subpar versions of what other professions can do. For example FC nukers are alright, but ele nukers are better. A profession is usually meant to stick to most of it's skills and venture to their secondary profession for use of 2-3 skills. If you're primarily using your secondary skills you're only playing a subpar build. That said, it's possible to clear out FoW/UW etc with an all mesmer team, all ele team, all derv team, all paragon team, etc. You're just losing out on efficiency if you do so. That, and when you stick to the Mesmer's own skillset (shutdown and to a lesser extent degen) there are other builds that can shutdown or degen mobs far more effectively than a Mesmer. Some of them dip into Mesmer for Epidemic and/or Echo/Arcane Echo.

(And actually, while previous Mesmer-only runs have worked in this manner - Mesmers acting as fast-cast this or fast-cast that or IllusWeap tanks - Shan did specifically say that the group was restricting itself to Mesmer skills only for these runs.)

mrmango

mrmango

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Southern California

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Me/Rt

26 Feb 2008 at 05:35 - 27
Well bad or not, at least they look good. But yea they're bad too.

Shanaeri Rynale

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

26 Feb 2008 at 08:04 - 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faer
Oh wow, I was mostly aiming my paragraph at the people who rushed in to say "OMG MESMERS RLY R LEET". It wasn't really in direct response to the feat that was being discussed, but rather at those who would make it out to be more than what it actually was.


Quote: Sorry for any misunderstandings there.You assumed one, or both of us (being Fenix and myself, I suppose), was assuming something. You assumed wrong. I merely asked a question. You could have merely supplied an answer to the question, rather than getting defensive about it. But, I suppose, if one is not praising you, one is attacking you. Of course, the fact still remains that you carry equipment with you that is runed/insig'd/inscribed poorly. You shouldn't really need to do that, and I'd appreciate it if you could explain why you choose to bring sub-par equipment with you. Perhaps if I saw the reasoning and logic behind the need for you to have less than 600 health and more than 35 energy at any given time... If my reply sounded like an attack, sorry. It was supposed to be light hearted and not aimed at anyone in particular(like yours). I guess we both jumped to the same conclusions.. Oh well the joys of expressionless text..

As I mentioned in the post above. We carried and used a whole load of different armor and weapon configurations. Like most players I carry a normal, high and low energy weapon sets, as well as different armor types(radiant, survivor, etc etc) so it's really a case of using what's best for that moment in time.

600HP, high and low energy sets and no sups is pretty much mandatory in PvP, and in the rare occasions I do PvP I always spec my pvp char to match that.

In PvE where armor,headgear etc switches are allowed and the threats you face more controllable and predictable(pvp does'nt tend to let you run away, regen and go back again) then it makes sense to maximise the versitility, effects and survivability of your charatcer.

For example, very often monks swap in then swap out a sup rune to maximise the length of spellbreaker, rangers and rits to increase the level of spirits they cast and ele's to improve the wards they put down. Thats not running bad runes or equipment, thats just playing smart. This is the main reason I have so few spare inventory slots it's all taken up with different armor and weapon sets.

The main reason i've seen nowadays for people to run 600+HP and the main reason why survivor insignia have shot up in price is'nt because they've 'seen the light' and are running PvP style configs but it's because of the desire to have super powered HP while using Ursan.

I'd rather have a player who knew when and where to use xyz armor set, runes, or weapons than one that blindlly used the same set for every place and circumstances. Different playstyles I guess.

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As to me filling out one of your Hero spots, I don't think I'll take you up on that offer. As much as I enjoy taking my own Mesmer out for walks, I don't think I'd be very comfortable running the bars you would probably request I run, or spending any more than an hour clearing FoW. Besides, World of Warcraft... Well, you know. We'll be trying to do the UW in a similar way soon, tho the 4 horsemen and ice king quests may prove to be a little too much so i'm still working on that one. I know I can tank one side of 4HM with no spellbreaker, and 1 monk topping up my health and using PvE skills but without em, dunno..

As for skill bars Actually it's less prescribed than that. I usually just request a type, e.g Anti-melee and leave the bar up to the person. We'll then check for overlaps(good or bad) and make sure there are no glaring omissions. My usual approach is lets try it, see what works and what does'nt.

I do understand about the time thing, I guess WoW would suck up more than it's fare share of spare time.

Quote:
Maybe some other time, though. Feel free to ask me the next time you have a free slot open for whatever you decide to do next. Yes, because naturally, the Universal Law is to give praise or shut up. Clearly, criticism is a horrendous evil that must be smitten from the face of the forums. I'll be sure to take note of that. Thanks. I guess we got our wires crossed. It happens.

Anyway ideas, suggestions welcome on how to do the same thing to the UW, and especially Mallyx. I really want to kill Mallyx all mesmer(no Ursans etc allowed) that would be a real challenge..

Something also worth a mention maybe, is i'm not on some GW holy crusade to prove mesmers are OMG LEET. I know they have some significant limitations in PvE, what keeps me playing and challenged is looking at these limitations and finding ways around them. Instead of saying Mesmers cant do this or that, I ask myself Why not? and how can we get this or that to work some other way. I've done the same with other professions too, I guess it's boundary pushing I enjoy..

If I want an easy ride I play my paragon, or the 8 other profession chars I have. If I want fun, and a challenge I play Mesmer. This is just me though, your mileage may vary.

Zamochit

Zamochit

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/A

26 Feb 2008 at 09:38 - 29
I really like what has been achieved here. It was never about being efficient, fast or safe. It was about a challenge, utilising a full team of a highly underappreciated class (in PvE at least), to take on one of the supposedly "Elite" areas of Guildwars.

There must have been very good team coordination to do this with a pure mesmer group, especially considering the disconnect.

Congratulations and good luck with UW ~ I doubt mallyx is viable though. ...

[DE]

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

26 Feb 2008 at 13:25 - 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zamochit
Congratulations and good luck with UW ~ I doubt mallyx is viable though. ... Okay now I'm going to have to ask for everyone to take out their customized 15^50 wands....

Faer

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

26 Feb 2008 at 15:08 - 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale
I really want to kill Mallyx all mesmer lawl

[skill]echo[/skill][skill]Arcane Echo[/skill][skill]Spiritual Pain[/skill]

Have fun with that.

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

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26 Feb 2008 at 15:13 - 32
Ok thanks for the show - think the thread has overrun its purpose now. If this was the build forums it could continue, but here we ask for Screenshots, so going to close.

Always good to see mesmers put to good use.