Axe Sin

BaconSoda

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Leo

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27 Jan 2008 at 20:34 - 1

I've been very surprised to find this build working very well in RA:

Axe: 11
Tactics: 10
Critical Strikes: 10 + 1 + 3 (14)

[skill]Soldier's Strike[/skill][skill]Eviscerate[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Dash[/skill][skill]Frenzy[/skill][skill]Way of the Master[/skill][skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Equipment:
Blessed Armor works the best as you should be enchanted
Sundering Axe of Armor (15 while enchanted)
Vampiric Axe of Armor (15 while enchanted)

Easily understood spike, Soldier's Strike for pressure. Works like a charm.
Any comments about it would be greatly appreciated.

Akolo

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Mo/

27 Jan 2008 at 20:37 - 2

Remove healing signet directly, no need for 10 tactics just for that, sins got low armor as it is, and wth are monks for?...
Well sins can equip any weapon and own, not sure about this build though ...

BaconSoda

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Leo

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27 Jan 2008 at 20:46 - 3

I use a shield, need 9 tactics for it and just put the extra points to it. Usually you bring a self-heal to RA, so that's what heal sig is for. And blessed armor + shield addresses armor.

Pyro maniac

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27 Jan 2008 at 21:13 - 4

-heal sig is fine, however I guess the sin isn't durable enough
-You may want to use d-chop in stead of soldiers
-don't use sup critical strikes, also survivor > blessed
-max axe and lower crit strikes, you won't need the energy that much,
-imo go 12-9-9 axe:crit:tactics

edit: soldiers strike is good tho, never noticed the semi-high bonus damage. You may want to add critical defense tho. Just to prevent linebackers who'll own you in a few blows. Also damage reduction > healing

Bobby2

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27 Jan 2008 at 21:41 - 5

RA makes me lawl. No snare, no interrupts, just quick damage - you say it works like a charm and I have no trouble believing you at all

Soldier's Strike is a good find. My support Koss also happily makes use of it, though he has the Shouts to support the second req. Frenzy and HealSig are both quite the risk on a Sin but you knew that already.

Have you yet tried this spike chain on an axe War?

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

27 Jan 2008 at 22:12 - 6

looking at it for the second time:
it's bad, no good spike and pressure is hard under perma frenzy sin
go with warrior primary with same build imo, changing way for bull's

Tyla

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27 Jan 2008 at 22:57 - 7

Sundering sucks, Frenzy on sin sucks, Frenzy WITH a sup rune sucks even more.
Frenzy is undoubtably a good skill - but it belongs on warriors.

BaconSoda

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Leo

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28 Jan 2008 at 01:03 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby2

Have you yet tried this spike chain on an axe War?

But how many people do you see with an Axe on a Sin?

Quote: Originally Posted by Pyro Maniac -heal sig is fine, however I guess the sin isn't durable enough
-don't use sup critical strikes, also survivor > blessed Have you read stuff in the article on tanking? Blessed > Survivor for the same reason Armor > Fortitude. Also, The shield and blessed make a wee bit more durable (+26 armor anyone?)

Sup Crit I concur with, actually. It may be a little much, but it's more for Way of the Master and Critical Defenses (which I do use in AB when I use this for fun

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyro Maniac

pressure is hard under perma frenzy sin Note the cancel stance (Dash).

But there are better alternatives for this, just throwing it out there since it was fun.

dasullybear

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Mo/

28 Jan 2008 at 01:48 - 9

Eh,
omg~
hold your breath~
(dramatic music)
Keen Chop
Hello critical axe sin!

RavagerOfDreams

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Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

28 Jan 2008 at 02:16 - 10

yea emmm no frenzy on sins pls ppl hate us enough as it is

Bobby2

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28 Jan 2008 at 03:56 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaconSoda

But how many people do you see with an Axe on a Sin? ...and with good reason.

yum

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28 Jan 2008 at 04:57 - 12

err... creative.

Pyro maniac

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28 Jan 2008 at 10:24 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaconSoda

But how many people do you see with an Axe on a Sin?

That already says alot of your build. No offense, but if the build really was that powerfull, I'm sure alot of people were already running it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaconSoda Have you read stuff in the article on tanking? Blessed > Survivor for the same reason Armor > Fortitude. Also, The shield and blessed make a wee bit more durable (+26 armor anyone?) yup, health > armor.

Quote: Originally Posted by BaconSoda Sup Crit I concur with, actually. It may be a little much, but it's more for Way of the Master and Critical Defenses (which I do use in AB when I use this for fun

). don't use sup runes in PvP, ever. health should be around 640 while wielding a shield.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaconSoda

Note the cancel stance (Dash). Cancel stance relies on recharge. And while a cancel stance helps, it's not like when having a cancel stance you never take the double damage. While a 100 AL warrior can survive a hit or two under frenzy, the sin with 70 AL is more squishy. That's why you have to be carefull while activating frenzy, thus not being able to provide full pressure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaconSoda

But there are better alternatives for this, just throwing it out there since it was fun. Good to know, stick to other weapons tho. Spears and scythes are more effective if you want to use crit strikes.

bathazard

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Join Date: Jul 2006

28 Jan 2008 at 10:33 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by yum

err... creative. Uber LOL

on a serious note just run a warrior??? why sin... ok critical but....

Jaigoda

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28 Jan 2008 at 16:44 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Frenzy is undoubtably a good skill - but it belongs on warriors. I chuckled a bit on this one, not because I don't think it's true, but because I ran into a Frenzy+Healsig warrior in RA (with of course, no cancel stance), and hit a 376 with Lightning Orb. So I'd like to correct you:"Frenzy is undoubtably a good skill - but it belongs on good warriors."

Painbringer

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28 Jan 2008 at 17:23 - 16

[skill]Critical Defenses[/skill] ? It’s missing? You can use it with frenzy when attacking melee and hope they don’t make it through

Coloneh

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28 Jan 2008 at 18:53 - 17

use a warrior. this dosnt beat a shock axe.

Bobby2

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28 Jan 2008 at 19:25 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

use a warrior. this dosnt beat a shock axe. With CritDef, it just might. Though it severely lacks adaptability

Tyla

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28 Jan 2008 at 19:51 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaigoda

I chuckled a bit on this one, not because I don't think it's true, but because I ran into a Frenzy+Healsig warrior in RA (with of course, no cancel stance), and hit a 376 with Lightning Orb. So I'd like to correct you:"Frenzy is undoubtably a good skill - but it belongs on good warriors." /Doh
Forgot the people who don't know how to play for their life...

Sir Pandra Pierva

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28 Jan 2008 at 20:09 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

use a warrior. this dosnt beat a shock axe. shock axe is kinda hard to beat,

but on the buid I have seen a few people running this kind of thing and really all it does is it hits for a constant amount of dmg and provdes sub par pressure that is decent in low end PvP but anywere else is just funny.

Bowstring Badass

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28 Jan 2008 at 22:05 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

shock axe is kinda hard to beat,

but on the buid I have seen a few people running this kind of thing and really all it does is it hits for a constant amount of dmg and provdes sub par pressure that is decent in low end PvP but anywere else is just funny. Low end? Like RA? lol

This wouldn't harm a fly in RA imo...

itsvictor

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28 Jan 2008 at 22:11 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaigoda

"Frenzy is undoubtably a good skill - but it belongs on good warriors." Undoubtably true... lol

Sir Pandra Pierva

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30 Jan 2008 at 05:19 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Low end? Like RA? lol

This wouldn't harm a fly in RA imo... never underestimate idiots in RA who can't defend agaisnt always crit sins and I was actually talking about the whole Axe Sin idea not the guys build.

The entire idea of sins using axe is meh

Mr Pvper

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MGK

31 Jan 2008 at 01:37 - 24

frenzy in ra is perhaps one of the worst skills to run in organized teams such as ra or some random pug teams in ta/ab. When i fight people who use frenzy in RA, it seems that they cancel their stance usually after 3 seconds of taking dmg. With this in mind, a Rit/Sin Spirit Str spiker can spike in 3 seconds, and sins can do spikes in about the same time. A ranger can easily use a Prepared shot spike on a frenzied sin (Prepared shot, Sundering Attack, Penetrating attack, and maybe salvage shot) within a 3second time span. Im not saying all people cancel their stances within 3 seconds of taking harmful dmg, but this is generally how long most ppl take. People focus on concentrating on killing enemy mainly and they do not anticipate atks as much. Hence, a frenzy on a sin even with a cancelling stance is really useless because one strong hit will prettymuch take away half ur hp (a direct phoenix for instance will do about 180 about ona 70armor target x2 on a frenzied sin which is 360 roughly in less than a second)

Sir Pandra Pierva

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31 Jan 2008 at 18:01 - 25

frenzy on anything but a warrior=fail
frenzy on a warrior who knows how to play corectly=win

frenzy in AB=Idiocy

"organized" teams in RA please tell me what RA are you playing in.
and random teams in TA please I wanna know where you go for pvp.

but also I do agree with your points most people can't run frenzy right who play in low end pvp.

Bobby2

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31 Jan 2008 at 22:11 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

frenzy on anything but a warrior=fail
frenzy on a warrior who knows how to play corectly=win works fine on my para, ty.

Sir Pandra Pierva

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31 Jan 2008 at 22:25 - 27

meh.
I am hard core frenzy on warrior only, but if it works it works. though flurry might accomplish your means better than double dmg but what works works

ensoriki

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31 Jan 2008 at 22:39 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

meh.
I am hard core frenzy on warrior only, but if it works it works. though flurry might accomplish your means better than double dmg but what works works Frenzy can be used on any melee class as long as they can use it properly.

I wouldn't say its better on any class (although Im sceptic of Dervish Use)

Sir Pandra Pierva

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31 Jan 2008 at 22:41 - 29

I just dont like the less armor on the other classes personally.

and with the other melee classes I would say
ranger-they have their own that work just fine and flurry probolly works better
Sin-Tigers or something like that is really all that is needed for quick spikes and if they are running pressure then flurry works better then frenzy in that case
Dervish- Umm ya I am with you on this one
warrior-I think we already know what i say about this one
paragon-I really have no clue but still I dont like it on them.

That covers the classes that go into melee a good bit.

Bobby2

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31 Jan 2008 at 22:44 - 30

/offtopicrant

Para's ain't melee.

Nor have they any lack of armour.

SY! is better on Para than Warrior because there's less risk involved
Frenzy is better on Para than Warrior because there's less risk involved.

On top of that Para's have e-management.

'How do you like me now huh?'

EDIT:
Frenzy > Flurry on Para. Not only the duration (and thus e-investment involved) but also the fact that c-spacing means actual pressure, and I'd like to keep it that way. For the Sin, it's an entirely different story of course...

Sir Pandra Pierva

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Angels Of Strife

31 Jan 2008 at 22:49 - 31

forgot that paras have 80 armor.

i kinda would like to know how there is less risk on a paragon going into melee and using that skill. allthough I do like the 20 against physical is nice

also how do i like you now

your another user. you exist. beyond that I dont care

Bobby2

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31 Jan 2008 at 23:15 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

forgot that paras have 80 armor.

i kinda would like to know how there is less risk on a paragon going into melee and using that skill. allthough I do like the 20 against physical is nice

Oops. Forgot that it should be a 'melee character' for this argument. Otherwise my answer would just have been 'Give him a spear'.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

also how do i like you now

your another user. you exist. beyond that I dont care Thanks.

Jaigoda

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01 Feb 2008 at 14:16 - 33

Axe 'Sins might be plausable if built correctly, though strictly prohibited in anywhere but RA and maybe AB, though mostly RA, using stuff like Cyclone and TC, maybe Keen chop, the stuff that actually benefits from criticals. Then you could use stuff like Crit Defenses and Way of Perfection for nice survivability. While it might not be as good as some of the other assassin builds (MBlossom/Horns, Crit Scythe, and SP to a much lesser extent), it will beat the hell out of most assassin and warrior builds.

Mechz

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09 Feb 2008 at 11:27 - 34

I run a swordsin in RA with Sharpen Daggers, Gash, Malicious Strike, Critical Defenses, Assassin's Remedy, Hundred Blades and Way of the Master.

12 swordsmanship for max sword damage
9+3+1 critical strikes for max e-management
9 tactics for a full powered shield.

vampiric/ebon sword of enchanting (+15/ench)
shield +45/ench, -2/ench

survivor insigs for 525hp... I think surviving degen is better than taking less damage from melee when it has a 25% chance of hitting.

There are tons of replacements for the elite... it's kind of just the only thing I could think of at the moment.

You could drop the 9 tactics in favor of maxing out critical strikes, and then running blessed insignia instead of survivor... This means you're running 80 armor with an 8 armor shield instead of 70 armor with a 16 armor shield.

Then... those extra three points... could really go anywhere.

NOTE: Sharpen Daggers DOES lay down before Malicious Strike and Gash hit. This is a time saver!

Tyla

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09 Feb 2008 at 12:02 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mechz

12 swordsmanship for max sword damage
9+3+1 critical strikes for max e-management
9 tactics for a full powered shield. Sup rune on a sin...you suicidal? O_O

~ Dan ~

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09 Feb 2008 at 12:17 - 36

A sin trying to be a warrior is epic phail.

xDusT II

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09 Feb 2008 at 12:18 - 37

SO what advantage does this hold over say, a warrior running a warrior build or a sin running a sin build.

My guess is it's creative or more fun...

Avarre

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09 Feb 2008 at 12:38 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaconSoda

Have you read stuff in the article on tanking? Blessed > Survivor for the same reason Armor > Fortitude. Also, The shield and blessed make a wee bit more durable (+26 armor anyone?) I'm not sure whether you'd want to rely on an article on tanking for PvP setups.

DRGN

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Mo/A

10 Feb 2008 at 14:03 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

I'm not sure whether you'd want to rely on an article on tanking for PvP setups. I was wondering why no one pointed this out before. Also, why would a Sin be tanking with, you know, Frenzy?

This is just another gimmicky axe sin build as far as I can see, but I guess it can give lulz in RA(probably to the other team >______>).

Sir Pandra Pierva

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Angels Of Strife

10 Feb 2008 at 17:11 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby2

Thanks.

your welcome.

when using a spear any IAS really works just fine. but i was talking about melee for a while paragons were trying out melee
Why the hell was this topic necrod?