I would like to know what you thought on Shock vs Gale are?I know Gale was adjusted some what to a lesser degree it is not as good as it once was.What is better by todays standards Shock or Gale.
I would use Shock when playing my Ele as it provides a knockdown and does some damage Gale only does kds.This is for something else not for a Ele well a Mesmer.What would you recommend?I am leaning towards shock but would consider gale depending on what is said here.
Thanks and I did try searching.
Shock vs Gale?
Age
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Shock on melee
Gale on casters
Gale on casters
Stormlord Alex
Gale on an ele.
You need it as a way of disrupting a foe or creating an opening; it's no good if you need to run up to someone to do that. The ~50 damage really isn't worth the trouble and wait of having to touch someone.
You need it as a way of disrupting a foe or creating an opening; it's no good if you need to run up to someone to do that. The ~50 damage really isn't worth the trouble and wait of having to touch someone.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by The Phantom
Shock on melee
Gale on casters /agree
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Gale on casters /agree
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MisterB
[skill]Ride the Lightning[/skill] + [skill]Shock[/skill] is Pro!
Nah, just kidding.
What Phantom and Stormlord said.
Nah, just kidding.
What Phantom and Stormlord said.
Div
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Originally Posted by MisterB
[skill]Ride the Lightning[/skill] + [skill]Shock[/skill] is Pro!
Nah, just kidding.
What Phantom and Stormlord said. [skill]Meteor Shower[/skill] + [skill]Gale[/skill] + [skill]Ride the Lightning[/skill] + [skill]Shock[/skill] + [skill]Gale[/skill] = Lots of exhaustion but lots of damage and KD
Nah, just kidding.
What Phantom and Stormlord said. [skill]Meteor Shower[/skill] + [skill]Gale[/skill] + [skill]Ride the Lightning[/skill] + [skill]Shock[/skill] + [skill]Gale[/skill] = Lots of exhaustion but lots of damage and KD
Winterclaw
I'm usually a hydro so if I want a KD and don't mind losing shatterstone I go with gust. :|
So whatever you do, don't use gust.
So whatever you do, don't use gust.
RhanoctJocosa
This thread reminds me of YAA monks. Also, I run gale on everything.
Cherng Butter
Just to clarify, if you aren't aware, the 2 seconds clause in Gale is redundant, normal knockdowns last 2 seconds, so there isn't any difference between the Shock and Gale KD time. A Moebius Assassin using Gale on my team was confused about that :P
Arkantos
Gale = ranged
Shock = touch
Elementalist = midline caster
Enough said.
Shock = touch
Elementalist = midline caster
Enough said.
RavagerOfDreams
yea take gale on a ele
don't really want a ele running through everything to make a kd that will probably be useless by the time u get ther
don't really want a ele running through everything to make a kd that will probably be useless by the time u get ther
Yichi
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Gale = ranged
Shock = touch
Elementalist = midline caster
Enough said. This post wins this thread.
Shock = touch
Elementalist = midline caster
Enough said. This post wins this thread.
xDusT II
Oh and if this is for PvE, I would run "You move like a dwarf!" over Gale.
Sir Pandra Pierva
You move like a dwarf>>>>>>>>Gale
For farming generly I will use shock over gale since I am already in touch range
For farming generly I will use shock over gale since I am already in touch range
Age
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
[skill]Meteor Shower[/skill] + [skill]Gale[/skill] + [skill]Ride the Lightning[/skill] + [skill]Shock[/skill] + [skill]Gale[/skill] = Lots of exhaustion but lots of damage and KD
You want me to Arane Echo Gale. I went with Gale and took all your advice.Thanks
You want me to Arane Echo Gale. I went with Gale and took all your advice.Thanks
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
[skill]Meteor Shower[/skill] + [skill]Gale[/skill] + [skill]Ride the Lightning[/skill] + [skill]Shock[/skill] + [skill]Gale[/skill] = Lots of exhaustion but lots of damage and KD
Use that on a warrior with stonefists!
Use that on a warrior with stonefists!
itsvictor
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Originally Posted by The Phantom
Shock on melee
Gale on casters QFT............
Cept exhaustion is burdensome for sins and dervs, but then again everyone uses it "sparingly"
Gale on casters QFT............
Cept exhaustion is burdensome for sins and dervs, but then again everyone uses it "sparingly"
i Valinor
gale keeps my ass outta melee, and i really dont like to be in melee with my elem
System_Crush
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Originally Posted by itsvictor
QFT............
Cept exhaustion is burdensome for sins and dervs, but then again everyone uses it "sparingly" Sins use [skill=text]Iron palm[/skill] more I think, it's pretty much the same as the recharge forces you to use it sparingly as well.
Cept exhaustion is burdensome for sins and dervs, but then again everyone uses it "sparingly" Sins use [skill=text]Iron palm[/skill] more I think, it's pretty much the same as the recharge forces you to use it sparingly as well.
LightningHell
The damage from Shock is actually relevant? I never knew that...
Gale > Shock. Only reason why melee use Shock is because of the 5e cost (see year 2005 gale axe), and Gale got bumped up.
Gale > Shock. Only reason why melee use Shock is because of the 5e cost (see year 2005 gale axe), and Gale got bumped up.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
The damage from Shock is actually relevant? I never knew that...
Gale > Shock. Only reason why melee use Shock is because of the 5e cost (see year 2005 gale axe), and Gale got bumped up. Wouldn't the chance to fail play a part?
Gale > Shock. Only reason why melee use Shock is because of the 5e cost (see year 2005 gale axe), and Gale got bumped up. Wouldn't the chance to fail play a part?
LightningHell
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
Wouldn't the chance to fail play a part?
Not really. It hardly hurts any bars to put Air at 5. Even if it did matter, the ranged KD is too strong an effect to lose.
If it did matter that much, people wouldn't have run gale wars in the first place.
If it did matter that much, people wouldn't have run gale wars in the first place.
NamelessBeauty
Shock:
- Pros:
1. It's a skill not a spell so such thing like spell breaker, Shadow form will not prevent the kd.
2. Only 5e so it can be used on Warrior since War themself is melee
3. Faster to cast, deal dmg/armor penalty
4. Don't need any point for an ensure kd.
- Cons:
1. It's Melee, so it can only be used by melee else won't be effective (though I find it's pretty useful for Shock + After Shock + Shockwave ele - Used to randomway with it and won hall.)
2. It's a skill so there is no way to make it cast faster / recharge (with either spells or 40/40 set.)
3. 5sec recharge longer (Spam less)
Gale:
You can tell from the pro/con above
Depend on situation, you use dif
- GvG: Gale + Glyph of Energy is uber.
- Any PvP: War/Sin/Derv with shock is uber for an ensure kd (unless they run anti kd spells/skills)
- Want a distance kd/interupt. Gale is your choice.
- Pros:
1. It's a skill not a spell so such thing like spell breaker, Shadow form will not prevent the kd.
2. Only 5e so it can be used on Warrior since War themself is melee
3. Faster to cast, deal dmg/armor penalty
4. Don't need any point for an ensure kd.
- Cons:
1. It's Melee, so it can only be used by melee else won't be effective (though I find it's pretty useful for Shock + After Shock + Shockwave ele - Used to randomway with it and won hall.)
2. It's a skill so there is no way to make it cast faster / recharge (with either spells or 40/40 set.)
3. 5sec recharge longer (Spam less)
Gale:
You can tell from the pro/con above
Depend on situation, you use dif
- GvG: Gale + Glyph of Energy is uber.
- Any PvP: War/Sin/Derv with shock is uber for an ensure kd (unless they run anti kd spells/skills)
- Want a distance kd/interupt. Gale is your choice.
LightningHell
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Shock is definitely not "uber" on a Dervish, and it's hardly anything but a combo-starter for an Assassin - and you don't even see AoD Shock sins running around anymore.
NamelessBeauty
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
Do you actually play GvG?
Shock is definitely not "uber" on a Dervish, and it's hardly anything but a combo-starter for an Assassin - and you don't even see AoD Shock sins running around anymore. Yes, we got beaten by a rank 4 guild with a Me/E using Glyph of energy + Gale. Believe it or not, it's uber! There's nothing we can do vs that Gale spammer!
And yes you are right, Derv barely run shock but yes they do run it at least in HA (conjure, storm Djin, Shock derv) - reason for shock is because of snare. Derv can not complete the full combo if the monk is kiting crazily! Shock will do it if use it right.
For the sin, I only see a couple for like 4 months ago. Don't see any now. But at least they did run it! I also belive some people run Shock + Toxic Shock in RA. Yes SoJ + Toxic is better but with the other combo you can run another elite instead.
Shock is definitely not "uber" on a Dervish, and it's hardly anything but a combo-starter for an Assassin - and you don't even see AoD Shock sins running around anymore. Yes, we got beaten by a rank 4 guild with a Me/E using Glyph of energy + Gale. Believe it or not, it's uber! There's nothing we can do vs that Gale spammer!
And yes you are right, Derv barely run shock but yes they do run it at least in HA (conjure, storm Djin, Shock derv) - reason for shock is because of snare. Derv can not complete the full combo if the monk is kiting crazily! Shock will do it if use it right.
For the sin, I only see a couple for like 4 months ago. Don't see any now. But at least they did run it! I also belive some people run Shock + Toxic Shock in RA. Yes SoJ + Toxic is better but with the other combo you can run another elite instead.
Pyro maniac
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Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
Yes, we got beaten by a rank 4 guild with a Me/E using Glyph of energy + Gale. Believe it or not, it's uber! There's nothing we can do vs that Gale spammer!
And yes you are right, Derv barely run shock but yes they do run it at least in HA (conjure, storm Djin, Shock derv) - reason for shock is because of snare. Derv can not complete the full combo if the monk is kiting crazily! Shock will do it if use it right.
For the sin, I only see a couple for like 4 months ago. Don't see any now. But at least they did run it! I also belive some people run Shock + Toxic Shock in RA. Yes SoJ + Toxic is better but with the other combo you can run another elite instead. It's hard to read, however you're right some guilds still run Gale + Glyph. Not that strong imo, they tend to be a bit predictable. While it's still nice, it just can't be compared to the gale wars.
And yes you are right, Derv barely run shock but yes they do run it at least in HA (conjure, storm Djin, Shock derv) - reason for shock is because of snare. Derv can not complete the full combo if the monk is kiting crazily! Shock will do it if use it right.
For the sin, I only see a couple for like 4 months ago. Don't see any now. But at least they did run it! I also belive some people run Shock + Toxic Shock in RA. Yes SoJ + Toxic is better but with the other combo you can run another elite instead. It's hard to read, however you're right some guilds still run Gale + Glyph. Not that strong imo, they tend to be a bit predictable. While it's still nice, it just can't be compared to the gale wars.
NamelessBeauty
You mean shock War?
Gale war vanished since the update 10e
Gale war vanished since the update 10e
Pyro maniac
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Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
Gale war vanished since the update 10e
jup, but I meant those
Sir Pandra Pierva
classic gale owned so hard it wasn't even funny
LightningHell
I want the old Gale back. 5e, 3s knockdown. The 5->10e was warranted, but I have no idea why ANet nerfed it to 2 seconds.
Glyph + Gale isn't really strong. Gale is a pretty strong skill on its own.
Glyph + Gale isn't really strong. Gale is a pretty strong skill on its own.
xDusT II
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
I want the old Gale back. 5e, 3s knockdown. The 5->10e was warranted, but I have no idea why ANet nerfed it to 2 seconds.
Glyph + Gale isn't really strong. Gale is a pretty strong skill on its own. Most guilds will take GoE + Gale on a mesmer because of the extremely flexible elite spot. I wouldn't call it extremely strong, but it's a lot more flexible and effective than the other mesmer elites, in terms of general movement control.
Glyph + Gale isn't really strong. Gale is a pretty strong skill on its own. Most guilds will take GoE + Gale on a mesmer because of the extremely flexible elite spot. I wouldn't call it extremely strong, but it's a lot more flexible and effective than the other mesmer elites, in terms of general movement control.
LightningHell
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Originally Posted by xDusT II
Most guilds will take GoE + Gale on a mesmer because of the extremely flexible elite spot. I wouldn't call it extremely strong, but it's a lot more flexible and effective than the other mesmer elites, in terms of general movement control.
Ah, yes. GoE isn't too bad on a Mesmer. I was under the impression s/he was putting it on an Elementalist, since this thread is about Gale on Elementalists. My apologies.
Ensign
Gale with a lot of Fast Casting is still pretty good. It's pretty marginal on anything else though.
And yes, Doji is a beast with Gale.
And yes, Doji is a beast with Gale.
NamelessBeauty
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
I want the old Gale back. 5e, 3s knockdown. The 5->10e was warranted, but I have no idea why ANet nerfed it to 2 seconds.
Glyph + Gale isn't really strong. Gale is a pretty strong skill on its own. In HA, kd isn't really a big deal because of Ward of Stability and Aura of Stability. In 4v4 type, kd isn't really a big deal either because lacking of ganking/spiking dmg. But in GvG, there's almost no anti kd skill unless you are running weird stuffs and bringing Aura of Stab in the monk/Ele is really not worth it.
Think about you can spam gale every 6 sec (with glyph of energy) and get 3 sec kd. It's just insane. 2s is a wise choice Anet have updated.
Yes [dR] run this combo (Doji to be specific.) I just know this recently. In [dR] build I belive the M-blast E do have gale as well if I'm not mistaken. The way Doji spam gale is dam crazy. The other team is retreating and there's almost no way they can prevent at least 1-2 deaths.
Quoted from LightningHell: "Glyph + Gale isn't really strong. Gale is a pretty strong skill on its own."
Gale isn't that strong on its own because of exhaustion. That mean you can not spam it no matter what build you are running. GoE + Gale = super strong in GvG (yes GvG ONLY). A constant 2s kd (every 8-10s) is really powerful when the other team have almost no way of preventing it. It's fast cast = can't interupt well. It's an ensure kd because in top GvG, there's not much or almost none anti kd skill/spells.
Glyph + Gale isn't really strong. Gale is a pretty strong skill on its own. In HA, kd isn't really a big deal because of Ward of Stability and Aura of Stability. In 4v4 type, kd isn't really a big deal either because lacking of ganking/spiking dmg. But in GvG, there's almost no anti kd skill unless you are running weird stuffs and bringing Aura of Stab in the monk/Ele is really not worth it.
Think about you can spam gale every 6 sec (with glyph of energy) and get 3 sec kd. It's just insane. 2s is a wise choice Anet have updated.
Yes [dR] run this combo (Doji to be specific.) I just know this recently. In [dR] build I belive the M-blast E do have gale as well if I'm not mistaken. The way Doji spam gale is dam crazy. The other team is retreating and there's almost no way they can prevent at least 1-2 deaths.
Quoted from LightningHell: "Glyph + Gale isn't really strong. Gale is a pretty strong skill on its own."
Gale isn't that strong on its own because of exhaustion. That mean you can not spam it no matter what build you are running. GoE + Gale = super strong in GvG (yes GvG ONLY). A constant 2s kd (every 8-10s) is really powerful when the other team have almost no way of preventing it. It's fast cast = can't interupt well. It's an ensure kd because in top GvG, there's not much or almost none anti kd skill/spells.
Pyro maniac
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Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
Yes [dR] run this combo (Doji to be specific.) I just know this recently. In [dR] build I belive the M-blast E do have gale as well if I'm not mistaken. The way Doji spam gale is dam crazy. The other team is retreating and there's almost no way they can prevent at least 1-2 deaths.
I think ensign knows that as well ..
and as for AoS in GvG. Still pretty good, I actually never leave without
I think ensign knows that as well ..
and as for AoS in GvG. Still pretty good, I actually never leave without
LightningHell
I think we're arguing from different points here.
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Think about you can spam gale every 6 sec (with glyph of energy) and get 3 sec kd. It's just insane. 2s is a wise choice Anet have updated.
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Gale isn't that strong on its own because of exhaustion. That mean you can not spam it no matter what build you are running. GoE + Gale = super strong in GvG (yes GvG ONLY). A constant 2s kd (every 8-10s) is really powerful when the other team have almost no way of preventing it. It's fast cast = can't interupt well. It's an ensure kd because in top GvG, there's not much or almost none anti kd skill/spells.
Gale is powerful enough because it's a KD whenever you want it, allowing for a player to create windows of opportunities pretty much at will. Glyph of Energy is just icing imo. Having a 'constant 2s kd (every 8-10s)' is IMO detrimental to how you use gale, as when you spam you become predictable in your KD patterns. And I think there are anti-kd skill/spells in GvG.
JDRyder
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Originally Posted by The Phantom
Shock on melee
Gale on casters end of thread NamelessBeauty
Not true.
You can run an Ele with "Shock", "After Shock", "Shockwave". I was running it in randomway HA. It works. Lots of pressure but need to run it right. Gale can be on the Derv and Sin as well. Though I can not tell which specific build to run but I believe in some cases, depending on builds it can exist! Assumption isn't a very good way to learn things!
LightningHell
If you take Shock on an ele, you basically can't use it outside that combo. Gale is flexible enough that you can use it outside Gale/AS/Shockwave , and it does that combo as well as Shock. And it's pretty hard to not "run it right", as it's an extremely onedimensional build.
And I can't think of any reason why you'd take Gale over Shock on a melee. Quote:
Assumption isn't a very good way to learn things!
Gimping yourself also isn't a good way to play.
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The question is WHY would you bother using shock on an elementalist. Is 5 energy or a minor amount of damage enough to make you sacrifice the huge benefits of a ranged KD?
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