Weapon choices for the generic SY/TNTF Paragon?

Attributes:
13 Spear Mastery (11+1+1) / 12 Leadership (11+1) / 9 Command (8+1)
or
14 Spear Mastery (12+1+1) / 10 Leadership (9+1) / 10 Command (9+1)

Skills used:
[skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill] - Aggressive Refrain
- "Save Yourselves!",
[skill]"Go for the Eyes!"[/skill] - "Go For the Eyes!"
[skill]Vicious Attack[/skill] - "Vicious Attack"
- Spear of Fury
- "There's Nothing to Fear!"
[skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill] - "For Great Justice!"
[skill]Focused Anger[/skill] - Focused Anger












The discussion: With this type of cookie cutter build, which weapon sets would you use/suggest the use of?

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furious 10/10
15^50
+30

16 com / mot
10vXX
+30

Furious Spear FTW (duh?) but have Zealous on the side
+5e, +30HP

+30HP Shield, Clarity

you totally dont need furious for SY... better go with sundering. If you just raise your leadership you can keep up SY easily

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Sort of off topic question...How do you mantain AR out of battle with that bar? You only have 2 shouts that you can use out of battle, and FGJ has a 20sec duration w/ a 45 sec recharge.

I do not take FGJ on the bar I take Anthem of Weariness usually because weakness wins HM vs burning. Usually I just sit on a furious spear that is still a numerical adren bonus or if I have a mot hench and I get Mending Refrain on me I swap to a vamp set, then swap to furious when Anger dies.

pink

Quote: Originally Posted by John Panda instant SY useless k. Unless your party is dying before the first Save Yourselves! then yes instant Save Yourselves! is useless. Furious is only useful if you only have rank 2 or lower in your faction when you can't maintain the +100 AL constantly. Even then I wouldn't want to gamble the party's safety on the 10% hitting at the right time.

Vampiric and Sundering do more damage, you have spear mastery, you're there to do damage.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mr Pink57 I do not take FGJ on the bar I take Anthem of Weariness usually because weakness wins HM vs burning. Weakness doesn't do anything to burning, I'm not sure what you mean by that statement. Not carrying both For Great Justice! and Focused Anger is foolish; why would you deny yourself a constant 100% adrenaline gain especially considering +100 AL provides more damage reduction than weakness?

Quote: Weakness doesn't do anything to burning, I'm not sure what you mean by that statement. Not carrying both For Great Justice! and Focused Anger is foolish; why would you deny yourself a constant 100% adrenaline gain especially considering +100 AL provides more damage reduction than weakness? What I mean by that is a lot of people take Anthem of Flame for in between time to keep up AR I usually just take Anthem of Weariness. Since you cannot go wrong with +100AL 35% reduction and weakness to top it off. Also since I put Focused Anger up at the beginning of a fight as it is most battles dont last over a minute as is or even the 45sec (I've vanquished most of Elona so far) so FGJ isnt doing anything for me.

Also I do not take Spear of Fury or Vicious just Spear of Lightning and GFTE! as my free energy management, it does plenty of damage as it is since I mainly run sabway so combined with barbs im doing fine (barbs does not trigger on SoL I believe since its ele dmg).

pink

Quote: Originally Posted by Racthoh Unless your party is dying before the first Save Yourselves! then yes instant Save Yourselves! is useless. Furious is only useful if you only have rank 2 or lower in your faction when you can't maintain the +100 AL constantly. Even then I wouldn't want to gamble the party's safety on the 10% hitting at the right time.

Vampiric and Sundering do more damage, you have spear mastery, you're there to do damage.


Weakness doesn't do anything to burning, I'm not sure what you mean by that statement. Not carrying both For Great Justice! and Focused Anger is foolish; why would you deny yourself a constant 100% adrenaline gain especially considering +100 AL provides more damage reduction than weakness?


There's Nothing To Fear! at 12 leadership or higher gives you a 1 second window to maintain Aggressive Refrain. I personally use a furious just like to get that extra adren whenever possible but I wouldn't fault anyone for using anything else since the adren gain from focused anger and for great justice is enough to keep SY up almost all the time.

Also agree that there is no reason not to carry both For Great Justice and Focused Anger...that way you can have 100% adren gain with no down time. Which means more SY and GftE. I was reluctant at first to carry both but after putting them on my bar for a while I wouldn't ever wanna take either of them off.

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Originally Posted by Mr Pink57 What I mean by that is a lot of people take Anthem of Flame for in between time to keep up AR I usually just take Anthem of Weariness. Since you cannot go wrong with +100AL 35% reduction and weakness to top it off. Also since I put Focused Anger up at the beginning of a fight as it is most battles dont last over a minute as is or even the 45sec (I've vanquished most of Elona so far) so FGJ isnt doing anything for me. pink It's not a big deal in a sort fight but if you end up in a long battle with a group that has multiple monks or something the adren gain from focused anger will run out and then you can't cast SY as much to protect the party.

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If that's true then why does focused anger go beyond 100%?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Mr Pink57 Also since I put Focused Anger up at the beginning of a fight as it is most battles dont last over a minute as is or even the 45sec (I've vanquished most of Elona so far) so FGJ isnt doing anything for me. Quote: Originally Posted by Darkside It's not a big deal in a sort fight but if you end up in a long battle with a group that has multiple monks or something the adren gain from focused anger will run out and then you can't cast SY as much to protect the party. Well Darkside basically covered it all there. A fight that doesn't last the full duration of Focused Anger is an encounter you were probably going to win, even without SY there. Then there are the other kinds of fights, the ones that matter. Those are the ones where having that constant +100% adrenaline gain is useful.

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