Hello everyone,
as a newcomer to GW im only starting to learn everything (Played for a month now), me and 4 other friends started to play together so that we later could PvP together, here comes trouble, for about a week or 2 i have been trying to get past that darn RA so i can do team battles, but me and another friend just cant get past it.
#1: I get a group with a monk, we usualy win, the the monk leaves after first win or 2 wins
#2: I get a group with no monk, we can win 1-2 tops.
Mostly im not even winnig the first round, now i know that im new to PvP in this game, comming from WoW PvP this RA is so similar to that sucky PvP there is in WoW and i was really hoping for something better, we bought this game for PvP how can team PvP be locked? I simply dont get it, its the most stupid thing i've ever witnessed.
Anyway, back on topic, is there anyway to bypass that RA so we can PvP as a group together?
Note: Those of my friends who already passed the RA played for 7-8 hours straight before they got the magic group, i've been up to max 3 wins, but mostly we loose all.
RA PvP
Kaydee
Pyro maniac
I guess you should take a good bar first. While I normally hate them, I would suggest a thumper or assassin. They take no skill to play and are just button mashers. You should be able to get 5 wins pretty fast.
edit: builds
SA sinJust spam 12345
Spear blindbot spam random attacks on melee
ThumperSpam Hammer Bash
Very lame necroAlso 1234567
good luck
edit: builds
SA sinJust spam 12345
Spear blindbot spam random attacks on melee
ThumperSpam Hammer Bash
Very lame necroAlso 1234567
good luck
Kaydee
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I guess you should take a good bar first.
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What does that mean?
Avarre
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Pyro maniac
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minor
Yes if a monk sees that your build and or your teamates sucks and is unlikely to win 5 or 10 they will ditch you most of the time.
X Ice Man X
There isn't anyway to get past RA. They keep changing the system though. before you used to have to get 10 wins total, not in a row. Now its changed to 5 wins in a row, which isn't that difficult. Your best chance is going to be something like a Thumper.
If your team doesn't have a monk, you need to attack faster, the other team will be able to stay alive longer than you can if the fight draws out so getting in quick and taking out the monk is your best option. Teams without healer often do very well because they deal more damage than the RA monks can deal with.
keep trying you'll get it done soon
If your team doesn't have a monk, you need to attack faster, the other team will be able to stay alive longer than you can if the fight draws out so getting in quick and taking out the monk is your best option. Teams without healer often do very well because they deal more damage than the RA monks can deal with.
keep trying you'll get it done soon
Stormlord Alex
First, use a good bar if you're not using one already. You're more likely to lose if you are dragging your team down. As a Dervish (judging from your listed prof.) Wounding Strike or Avatar of Melandru builds are /win. Check PvXwiki for ideas.
Then, if you can't get lucky with that 'magic team', force it yourself.
Play a monk. A WoH hybrid or ZB are strong enough templates for RA, you don't even need to be particularly good at kiting and weapon switching to out-heal and survive most RA scrubs. Just learn how to beat the current meta buttonmashing Narutard 'sins/whatever and you're golden.
If that still doesn't work... Sync-join with your friends. A ZB/WoH monk, Magebane ranger, then a couple of physicals to kill shit will do fine.
Then, if you can't get lucky with that 'magic team', force it yourself.
Play a monk. A WoH hybrid or ZB are strong enough templates for RA, you don't even need to be particularly good at kiting and weapon switching to out-heal and survive most RA scrubs. Just learn how to beat the current meta buttonmashing Narutard 'sins/whatever and you're golden.
If that still doesn't work... Sync-join with your friends. A ZB/WoH monk, Magebane ranger, then a couple of physicals to kill shit will do fine.
Kaydee
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edit: builds SA sinJust spam 12345 Spear blindbot spam random attacks on melee ThumperSpam Hammer Bash Very lame necroAlso 1234567 good luck |
Pleikki
mm Get nice bar indeed i sometimes like do Sin or Monk in ra and usually we win until some better team comes. Well yeah there Ritu healers aswell ofc but play Monk and then monk doenst leave ^^
Kaydee
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First, use a good bar if you're not using one already. You're more likely to lose if you are dragging your team down. As a Dervish (judging from your listed prof.) Wounding Strike or Avatar of Melandru builds are /win. Check PvXwiki for ideas.
Then, if you can't get lucky with that 'magic team', force it yourself. Play a monk. A WoH hybrid or ZB are strong enough templates for RA, you don't even need to be particularly good at kiting and weapon switching to out-heal and survive most RA scrubs. Just learn how to beat the current meta buttonmashing Narutard 'sins/whatever and you're golden. If that still doesn't work... Sync-join with your friends. A ZB/WoH monk, Magebane ranger, then a couple of physicals to kill shit will do fine. |
On my derv i captured most elite skills by now and been looking for a good build, i know that im no pro at all, but i do try my best to win. We tried that sync-join but mostly ended up facing eachother rather the fighting together.
~ Dan ~
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Thanks, i will try some of those, i just hate that i have to play another class to get past RA. But if that will do, its fine.
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Wish Swiftdeath
Well if i do go into RA for some weird reason and see you on my team i promise i wont quit.
Best help i can give is: www.pvxwiki.com
look for the excellent builds and choose one of those that you like
Best help i can give is: www.pvxwiki.com
look for the excellent builds and choose one of those that you like
Pyro maniac
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Thanks, i will try some of those, i just hate that i have to play another class to get past RA. But if that will do, its fine.
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If you want to stick to dervish:
[skill]Avatar of Melandru[/skill][skill]Wearying Strike[/skill][skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Heart of fury[/skill][skill]Rush[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Imbue Health[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
Unstoppable high damage.
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monk bar:
[skill]Life Bond[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Disciplined Stance[/skill][skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill][skill]Blessed Signet[/skill]
Monking is alot easier with bonds. While a good monk would prefer monking without bonds, it is better to start with bonds.
~ Dan ~
Why have you put protector's strike in that build? It's no Lyssa bar.
EDIT: OP, seeing as you are new :-
Use imbue health on anyone being spiked, or someone taking alot damage to relieve pressure off your monk. Use rush just before wild blow so you don't lose all the adrenaline. Put your avatar up before you get in aggro range to avoid interrupts. When you need to recast, put a wall between you and a ranger. Also, when the bloke you are bashing has alot of prot on him, switch targets. Read dervish and melee guides for all the tips you need.
Use life bond on your allies before the game starts, balth spirit on yourself. Use disciplined stance when melee is spiking you, or just generally when melee is pressuring you and you need a chance to get some prots up. You will need to get familiar with "pre-protting" to get the most out of holy veil, so for now i suggest replacing it with [skill]Remove Hex[/skill]. Read all the monk guides stickied here
EDIT: OP, seeing as you are new :-
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Stormlord Alex
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[skill]Protector's Strike[/skill]
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Protector's really isn't doing much for you outside of a Lyssa bar; you've already got Mystic for a quick follow-up spike.
Pyro maniac
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[skill]bull's strike[/skill] or [skill]wild blow[/skill] imo.
Protector's really isn't doing much for you outside of a Lyssa bar; you've already got Mystic for a quick follow-up spike. |
Kaydee
Really nice with all these suggestions, appreciate it alot. Keep them comming 
RhanoctJocosa
Needs more Wild Blow and Chilling Victory. Also, go to the Korean district and enter there, you're bound to win a few ;D
Killed u man
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Thanks, i will try some of those, i just hate that i have to play another class to get past RA. But if that will do, its fine.
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So my advice to you is: Get used to the fact that you WON'T aways be able to run the bar you won't, 95% of PvP is running a overpowered (compared to other builds) bar... E.G. If you like sword warrior, but you want to GvG, You will have to go Axe, unless you want to stay around top2000,...
RhanoctJocosa
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Hmmm, get used to that... Pretty much every form of PvP is dominated by lame gimmicks. (Correct, recently obs'ed GvG, and yeah, sin more plz) So EVERY form of PvP is dominated with lame gimmicks. Unless you run this gimmick, you will get rolled by the next somewhat decent team. (It's called overpowered for a reason)
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So my advice to you is: Get used to the fact that you WON'T aways be able to run the bar you won't, 95% of PvP is running a overpowered (compared to other builds) bar... E.G. If you like sword warrior, but you want to GvG, You will have to go Axe, unless you want to stay around top2000,...
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Pyro maniac
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Hmmm, get used to that... Pretty much every form of PvP is dominated by lame gimmicks. (Correct, recently obs'ed GvG, and yeah, sin more plz) So EVERY form of PvP is dominated with lame gimmicks. Unless you run this gimmick, you will get rolled by the next somewhat decent team. (It's called overpowered for a reason)
So my advice to you is: Get used to the fact that you WON'T aways be able to run the bar you won't, 95% of PvP is running a overpowered (compared to other builds) bar... E.G. If you like sword warrior, but you want to GvG, You will have to go Axe, unless you want to stay around top2000,... |
bhavv
Gimmick build = highly efficient builds, among the best you can play, but get bashed by the people that want to stick to their homebaked terribad skills and that get teary eyes when people call them crap.
The OP however wins brownie points for listening to the good advice given given so far. Just ignore mr. Gimmick build.
The OP however wins brownie points for listening to the good advice given given so far. Just ignore mr. Gimmick build.
Lord Xivor
[skill]Wanderlust[/skill][skill]Shadowsong[/skill][skill]Pain[/skill][skill]Anguish[/skill][skill]Painful Bond[/skill][skill]Sundering Weapon[/skill][skill]Essence Strike[/skill][skill]Flesh of my Flesh[/skill]
This bar got me 25 consecutive wins, and we did not have a healer on our team. Just, the rest of the team had good bars. With this, I laid down the spirits, which blinded and knocked down (interrupts casters), huge damage from Anguish + painful bond (and the others), supports the melee attackers, and causes a bit of damage with energy management.
It is really about how you set up your own bar. By standing behind spirits that do knockdowns and blinding, I am usually pretty safe
This bar got me 25 consecutive wins, and we did not have a healer on our team. Just, the rest of the team had good bars. With this, I laid down the spirits, which blinded and knocked down (interrupts casters), huge damage from Anguish + painful bond (and the others), supports the melee attackers, and causes a bit of damage with energy management.
It is really about how you set up your own bar. By standing behind spirits that do knockdowns and blinding, I am usually pretty safe
~ Dan ~
OP, if you play Rt, i recommend staying away from crapping out spirits.
RhanoctJocosa
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Gimmick build = highly efficient builds, among the best you can play, but get bashed by the people that want to stick to their homebaked terribad skills and that get teary eyes when people call them crap.
The OP however wins brownie points for listening to the good advice given given so far. Just ignore mr. Gimmick build. |
artay
If funds aren't a problem, get the pvp access kit from the online store. It gives you full access and alot of free skill unlocks that'll be essential to get into the current game.(assuming you have very little to no skills unlocked)
makosi
[skill]Blinding Surge[/skill]*Shell Shock*[skill]Lightning Orb[/skill][skill]Gale[/skill][skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill][skill]aura of restoration[/skill][skill]air attunement[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]
The above is a pretty good build to reach 5 wins. Melee are the biggest threat in RA so spamming blind + damage helps out your team a lot.
I know Aura of Restoration sucks but it's a cover enchantment for Attunement and some moderate heals.
The above is a pretty good build to reach 5 wins. Melee are the biggest threat in RA so spamming blind + damage helps out your team a lot.
I know Aura of Restoration sucks but it's a cover enchantment for Attunement and some moderate heals.
Covah
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bhavv
Yea what I meant is that most gimmick builds are actually really good. People bash searing flames in RA which defo is gimmicky. They also bash you for being an SF noob with a wiki build when they get party wiped by it. B surge is also a gimmick build, maybe shatterstone too. Also ench conundrum is uber gimmicky, but damn they are all good XD. Also spirits strength = gimmick? I love that skill in RA.
Numa Pompilius
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is there anyway to bypass that RA so we can PvP as a group together?
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(this text added because just the link with the information you needed was too short)
sterbenx2
I think people are forgetting this player is new. He most likley won't have most of these skills unlocked. I think he would benefit more from others experiance if we understood his character better. A month is not a lot of playtime at all.
First: being in RA we can establish that your Dervish is lvl 20. Check
Second: Have you completed the +15 Attribute point quests with you character?
To check, open your skills/attribute panel and lower all of your attributes to 0. You should have 200 attribute points. If not, use the wiki to find the two attribute point quests in Nightfall, The native campaign for your character.
Third: gear? Do you have a max dmg scythe? max damage for a scythe is 9-41. The most commonly accepted requirment on weapons is 9. Tho arguments could start up over req. A req 9 is the most popular and pretty easy to obtain. If you do have a max req9 scythe, what are the modifications on it? All weapons have three possible upgrades, an inscription and 2 mods exclusive to the weapon type.
fourth: Armor. Do you have max armor? Max armor level or AL for a Dervish is 70.
If you do have max AL, what upgrades are on your armor? Each individual piece of armor has two possible upgrades. An insignia and a rune. (Your head piece should have an inherant upgrade of Scythe Mastery +1)
All of this info is critical to establishing that you are minimally equiped to handle RA. Please list the info as it will help us to help you.
First: being in RA we can establish that your Dervish is lvl 20. Check
Second: Have you completed the +15 Attribute point quests with you character?
To check, open your skills/attribute panel and lower all of your attributes to 0. You should have 200 attribute points. If not, use the wiki to find the two attribute point quests in Nightfall, The native campaign for your character.
Third: gear? Do you have a max dmg scythe? max damage for a scythe is 9-41. The most commonly accepted requirment on weapons is 9. Tho arguments could start up over req. A req 9 is the most popular and pretty easy to obtain. If you do have a max req9 scythe, what are the modifications on it? All weapons have three possible upgrades, an inscription and 2 mods exclusive to the weapon type.
fourth: Armor. Do you have max armor? Max armor level or AL for a Dervish is 70.
If you do have max AL, what upgrades are on your armor? Each individual piece of armor has two possible upgrades. An insignia and a rune. (Your head piece should have an inherant upgrade of Scythe Mastery +1)
All of this info is critical to establishing that you are minimally equiped to handle RA. Please list the info as it will help us to help you.
Shadowspawn X
I'm not going to give you a build (as others have done a fine job of that) just some advice. The key to gladiator RA style is to master no-monk glads (unless you play a monk). You won't have a monk many times but good players still get glads. I'm thinking 35-40% of your glads should come from no-monk teams. The key to this in RA is overwhelming force and fast rezzing, simple as that. If your build can't drop a target in 3-6 secs don't bother bringing it to RA. Now there are many other powerful builds on the necro and mesmer side of the fence that are slower kills but deliver unbelievable pressure as you gain more experience you can explore these as well. Also study what kills you and be aware of what is happening around you. Last bit of advice is stay in RA for a while to unlock a nice amount of faction and pick a couple of classes and pick up about 50 glads on each so you have a feel for the class, also you will have unlocked many skills as you stay in RA. When you and your buddies are glad1 you will be better able to move on to TA and be successful, don't forget to get voice comms when you go to TA vent is the standard.
It seems you have a main character from pve you want to use so finish the three campaigns on him making sure you get masters and bonuses on all missions because you need the skill points. The dervish doesn't have many skills so that should be sufficient to unlock them all with a few extra skill points for complementary secondary skills.
It seems you have a main character from pve you want to use so finish the three campaigns on him making sure you get masters and bonuses on all missions because you need the skill points. The dervish doesn't have many skills so that should be sufficient to unlock them all with a few extra skill points for complementary secondary skills.
thor hammerbane
Gimmicks are annoying and lame and I have no respect for people who use them. @ THe guy who said they are unbeatable, you must just suck. A well co-ordinated balanced team can beat any form of gimmick..any.
Axe+Hammer>>>>>Sword
In PvP.
Axe+Hammer>>>>>Sword
In PvP.
Keithark
If you cannot get past 5 wins in RA then chances are high that you will not do good in TA, learning all the skills and what they do and how to counter them is a must in PvP in GW. For example I cast Insidious on a warrior and he mashes the frenzy button and attacks....ok, 2 seconds later he is dead and my team goes about killing others then they rez the warrior and he comes up I put Insidious on him and he frenzy attack me again. If you don't know what is killing you then you will always die.
Stormlord Alex
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B surge is also a gimmick build, maybe shatterstone too. Also ench conundrum is uber gimmicky, but damn they are all good XD. Also spirits strength = gimmick? I love that skill in RA.
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Indeed, the current 'meta' BSurge - BSurge / Gale / Splinter / Rage / Ward / GoLE / Attune / DPSig - is a very flexible bar that fills many roles all in one - nowhere near a gimmick.
In terms of a solo build, a gimmick build is something that only accomplishes one goal, to the extreme. SP-style 'sins are an example of this, all they can do is a (stupidly powerful) solo-spike that kills something. That's all - no pressure, no disruption, no utility skills on the side. They spike or fail, with nothing else.
Orange Milk
I ran this poop to an 8 win and a 6 win streak in RA this weekend
Also counting this weekend I have less than 1.5 hours of time on a Monk in my +2500 GW life time. I've never PvE Monked and once, long ago, attempet to RA monk before NF and GWEN were released.
[skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Gift of Health[/skill][skill]Mending Touch[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill][skill]Return[/skill]
Its not super duper, but it will do. You should have [skill]Draw Conditions[/skill] in there some where to draw/touch but I would just Return to the person and touch then kite away cause I'm a noob Monk. I think I had [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill] in there instead of gift, but theres not alot of spikes to fdeal with for that to be 100% needed.
Also try to use a PvP only character if you can, much more versitile.
Also counting this weekend I have less than 1.5 hours of time on a Monk in my +2500 GW life time. I've never PvE Monked and once, long ago, attempet to RA monk before NF and GWEN were released.
[skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill][skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]Gift of Health[/skill][skill]Mending Touch[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill][skill]Return[/skill]
Its not super duper, but it will do. You should have [skill]Draw Conditions[/skill] in there some where to draw/touch but I would just Return to the person and touch then kite away cause I'm a noob Monk. I think I had [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill] in there instead of gift, but theres not alot of spikes to fdeal with for that to be 100% needed.
Also try to use a PvP only character if you can, much more versitile.
DarkNecrid
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OP I understand what you're going through, since I went through it a year ago. It's tough when starting so late in a game.
As others have said, it's essential to bring a good build in RA. The reason monks leave is because they don't have faith in one or more people int he team.
That said, it is entirely possible to go very far without a monk. 4 good high damage dealers will often overpower 3+1 monk
Your best bet to get 5 in a row however is to play a monk since you seem to like that class, and that way you are sure you'll get one. It's ok not to be the best at first, you'll get better at it with time. Bonders go down too easily imo though, you may have better success with a Mo/A WoH Hybrid. Learning to kite is essential
Other than that, use a PVP character so you can have max armor and rune him up appropriately.
Lastly, if you just want to have fun with your friends, buy a Guild Hall, invite them, and have a scrimmage with them, you don't need TA.
Kwan Xi
RA is a gamble as you get all types of people, Pros, Newbies, Noobs, Jerks, and people just screwing around in the game. A lot of people like myself use RA to experiment with builds winning 5 matches in RA isn't common even if you manage to get a monk.
My Best bet for you is try to get your first 5 wins in RA then you unlock access to Team Arena there you can form your own group of 4 to PvP with. Most RA teams that make it to TA usually don't survive very long from my experience.
I've said getting a good team in RA is like trying to pick the magic number in roulette it almost never happens. Even getting a good monk on your team doesn't guarantee you 5 or 10 wins. Try not to let it bother you and just play in Team Arenas once you unlock it.
My Best bet for you is try to get your first 5 wins in RA then you unlock access to Team Arena there you can form your own group of 4 to PvP with. Most RA teams that make it to TA usually don't survive very long from my experience.
I've said getting a good team in RA is like trying to pick the magic number in roulette it almost never happens. Even getting a good monk on your team doesn't guarantee you 5 or 10 wins. Try not to let it bother you and just play in Team Arenas once you unlock it.