Should "Patient Spirit" need a buff?

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28 Jan 2008 at 13:50 - 1
[skill]Patient Spirit[/skill]

[skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill]

[skill]Heal Other[/skill]

Ok most player who play monk would have known the best atribute for healing monk are (assuming all minor rune):
+ 6 Inspiration
+ 12 Divine
+ 14 Healing Prayer

That means when use we use the Dwayna's Kiss + Patient spirit combo will give the sum of:
+ "Dwayna's Kiss" will give 57 + 33 healing.
+ "Patient Spirit" will give 114 healing.
+ Divine Favor 38 x 2 = 76 healing.
TOTAL: 90 + 114 + 76 = 280 healing.
Energy cost: 10 e
Spam rate (recharge): 3 sec
Time for healing take effect: 2 sec

But when use "Heal Other" + "Healer's Boon" will give the sum of:
+ "Heal other" will give 170 healing.
+ Divine Favor 38 healing.
+ "Healer's Boon" buff 170 / 2 = 85 healing.
TOTAL: 170 + 85 + 38 = 293 healing.
Energy cost: 10 e
Spam rate (Recharge): 3 sec
Time for healing take effect: (3/4) / 2 = 3/8 sec (Which mean less than .5 s)

Ok now tell me why do we want to use the "Dwayna's Kiss" + "Patient Spirit" combo if "Heal Other" + "Healer's Boon" combo is better?
1. 293 healing vs 280 healing.
2. 3/8 s healing effect vs 2 s healing effect.
Same energy cost, same recharge healing spam.

So, this is my suggestion to improve the "Patient Spirit"

Patient Spirit
Recharge: 3s (Same)
Cast time: 1/4s (Same)
Energy: 5e (Same)
For 2 seconds, target ally is Enchanted with Patient Spirit. When this Enchantment ends, that ally is healed for 50...132 Health (Healing buff + Same waiting time)
EDITED: Forget the part of 1s Cast Dwayna it won't work if 1s to take effect.

Or it can be change to

Patient Spirit
Recharge: 3s (Same)
Cast time: 1/4s (Same)
Energy: 5e (Same)
For 3 seconds, target ally AND ALL THE ADJACENT ALLY is Enchanted with Patient Spirit. When this Enchantment ends, those allies are healed for 30...90 Health (Healing nerf + longer waiting time)

Other idea:

Quote:
Originally Posted by System_Crush
I think Patient Spirit should be like [skill=text]Ancestors' Rage[/skill] which is unaffectedly by the level and damage bonuses from effects on the caster, such as [skill=text]Destructive was Glaive[/skill] it instead treats the target ally as the source of the spell.

I think this should be the same for patient spirit, making it a good skill for [skill=text]Healer's Covenant[/skill] not necessarily changing anything about the skills stats.
Thanks!

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28 Jan 2008 at 14:11 - 2
Well your first change would be far overpowered. First off the competition for Patient spirit isn't Heal Other + Healer's Boon, its Dwayna itself and with that first buff it would pretty much always outclass dwayna. 25 second cast time + 1 second to wait = 1.25 seconds, or only .25 seconds more then dwayna's kiss. In return it would be nigh uninterruptable and heal for more unless the target had more then 2 enchants on them. Maybe if you didn't buff the time it would be ok.

The second change looks pretty interesting though.

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28 Jan 2008 at 14:31 - 3
Uhmm you don't sound like you play healer much. ALL healer so far I have seen ALL bring Dwayna's Kiss.

Reason?
1. Against hex way.
2. Out heal orison w/ a good prot and/or Eles team.

And if you want to compare D-Kiss + healer's Boon vs Patient Spirit + D-kiss. The healing from the Healer's Boon combo STILL out heal the Patient Spirit.

That I have not talked about the 2 times cast vs 1 time cast. What does it make a different? SS will apply twice. More chance for Shame taking effect.

The 100+ heal from P-Spirit is nothing really. For 2 sec indirect heal. It's pretty bad.

If you want the P-Spirit + D-Kiss + H-Boon, I tell you this, it is impossible. Not enough place for that. It only works with the WoH combo.

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28 Jan 2008 at 15:01 - 4
Use Healer's Boon with Patient Spirit and Dwayna's Kiss if you want more power on them.

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28 Jan 2008 at 15:11 - 5
I think Patient Spirit should be like [skill=text]Ancestors' Rage[/skill] which is unaffectedly by the level and damage bonuses from effects on the caster, such as [skill=text]Destructive was Glaive[/skill] it instead treats the target ally as the source of the spell.

I think this should be the same for patient spirit, making it a good skill for [skill=text]Healer's Covenant[/skill] not necessarily changing anything about the skills stats.

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28 Jan 2008 at 15:16 - 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by MagmaRed
Use Healer's Boon with Patient Spirit and Dwayna's Kiss if you want more power on them.
You wish, don't make comment like this if you don't know or know it would be impossible. There is not enough places for your spells for that kind of combo esp when u HA or GvG.

"System_Crush" idea is interesting!

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28 Jan 2008 at 15:35 - 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
Ok most player who play monk would have known the best atribute for healing monk are (assuming all minor rune):
+ 6 Inspiration
+ 12 Divine
+ 14 Healing Prayer
I actually run 14 Healing, 9/10 Divine Favor, and 9/10 Protection Prayers, because I like to have some prot handy for you know, keeping the red bars up better.

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28 Jan 2008 at 15:52 - 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
You wish, don't make comment like this if you don't know or know it would be impossible. There is not enough places for your spells for that kind of combo esp when u HA or GvG.

"System_Crush" idea is interesting!
You fail.

Your first example it is hardy a fair test. You have patient and dwaynas, up against heal other and an elite. You could easily use that elite with the patient kiss combo and it would heal for much more than heal other, so I really don't see the point of this topic.

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28 Jan 2008 at 16:09 - 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
Ok most player who play monk would have known the best atribute for healing monk are (assuming all minor rune):
+ 6 Inspiration
+ 12 Divine
+ 14 Healing Prayer
Stopped reading here, when it became clear the OP was a bad monk and therefore clueless.

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28 Jan 2008 at 16:34 - 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Wiki
Useful when used with Healer's Covenant, as the healing is not reduced. Conversely, it goes poorly with Healer's Boon, as the healing is not boosted.
It already heals for more than an un-booned heal other, allows for using dwayna's at 5e instead of heal other when you don't need a big heal, and if there are multiple hexes/enchants (not unlikely, especially if you are smart and are running heal and prot spells) it will heal for more than a booned heal other. There has to be some drawback, which is a longer wait for the heal.

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28 Jan 2008 at 17:13 - 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faer
I actually run 14 Healing, 9/10 Divine Favor, and 9/10 Protection Prayers, because I like to have some prot handy for you know, keeping the red bars up better.
This is not a healer. This call Pyro Monk. Running monk with prot spirit. Depend on the build you are running. Pyro monk can be useful or not. If running this, Patient Spirit is out of question even with a buff.!

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28 Jan 2008 at 17:17 - 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by XiaoTheBlade
You fail.

Your first example it is hardy a fair test. You have patient and dwaynas, up against heal other and an elite. You could easily use that elite with the patient kiss combo and it would heal for much more than heal other, so I really don't see the point of this topic.
Uhmm. What I show you is not just the healing effect but the realistic of the skill itself. Pa-Spirit is an indirect heal. You might say that running Pa-Spirit with WoH (which I think is the most effective combo for Pa-Spirit) but really in the game, you wont have the 2 sec to heal. Plus WoH is spamable Better spam it every 3s than wasting 10e and heal the same amount every 3s.

Again, Pa-Spirit + D-kiss + H-Boon WILL NOT WORK. Thats a combo of 3 skills. It won't fit to either healer or Pyro monk.

Talk about GvG. Out of question. No place for Patient spirit crap.

Talk about HA.
1. Channeling (a must unless running some smite ball)
2. Veil/Spotless (also a must unless running some weird crap)
3. Draw condition
4. Orison (out of question)
5. Infuse (also out of question)
6. Heal Party / Healing Seed (No need to explain) Pyro gonna run Prot spirit on this of course.

You only leave 2 spells left. Oh you can say take out Draw Condition and the ele bring it instead. Here is how much more you can get from Patient Spirit. 280 + 90/2 = 325 heal - 293 = 32 heal (90 is how much you get from D-kiss + 1 Enchant. Divide by 2 is from the 50% buff heal.) Thats how much you get more heal from using Pa-Spirit + D-kiss + H-Boon compare to Heal Other + Healer's Boon. And 1 is 3/8 s cast, the other is 2 sec for healing taking effect. What's the point of this combo of 3 for?

That mean the combo of 3 is unrealistic.

To "Stormlord Alex": Reason? No reason = your post spam! You did not even read = You have small brain. Talk about something you did not even read. It's just great!

Point of this post? Patient Spirit is in no use unless running with Healer's Covenant which is also out of use. Running it with D-kiss is a waste of skill slot. It's not effective. Right now, there's no point of running Patient Spirit. I think this type of "indirect heal" need a little bit of buff.

You might ask why not asking buffing other healing skill? Patient Spirit is such a good skill that is in no use and/or inefficient use.

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Your first post is suggesting a full healer monk taking Dwayna's AND patient. The fact is full heal monks are bad, hybrids are better in 99% of cases. And when running a hybrid you don't have room to take dwayna's and patient, its one or the other. As you say ALL healers bring dwayna's kiss, because its the best. They don't have room for patient because they are bringing other skills. The only way to get patient on a bar would be to make it better then dwayna's so it could replace it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
To "Stormlord Alex": Reason? No reason = your post spam!
It's self evident to the people that have a clue.

But because you didn't get it... Inspiration is bad. GoLE > the whole Inspiration line.

And pure healing is bad. 12 heal / 10-9 prot and 8-9 divine is good.

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28 Jan 2008 at 17:54 - 15
Oh ok? You talk about GvG then Pa-Spirit is out of question. You run it = you are noob.

And if talking about HA? GoLE? Wow, you wish running this in HA as a monk. Channeling is bad nice joke.

Pure healing is bad? I'm talking about the option that can be run with patient Spirit. Running Pyro Monk CAN NOT have Pa-spirit. please list the skill for me to see if you can run it. If can not run then why need to talk about Pa-spirit? It's not even in use. WoW just wow!

Really you have no idea what are you talking about. I'm talking about the build that Pa-Spirit can be used but it's not effective hence need a buff. You talk about builds that don't even use Pa-Spirit. Then why talk?

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You compared a 2 skill combo to a 2 skill combo. One of those 2 skill combos used an elite, the other did not. If need be, make them both 3 skill combos, and use an elite for both. This will show Healer's Boon to out heal almost every other combo you can think up. Start adding in skills like Ethereal Light, Healing Whisper, Jamei's Gaze, and Infuse Health, and you see Boon has a huge potential. Adding in an elite to Patient Spirit and Dwayna's Kiss only offers Word of Healing, Glimmer of Light, and Healing Light. Patient is a good skill to use to anticipate healing. Cast it on someone taking minimal damage, and when they need the heal, they get it. During that 2 seconds, you can then heal someone else.

I don't see anything wrong with Patient Spirit, and have found it to be a nice skill. I don't use it often, but it works good when I need it to. I do see a problem with your comparison, as you are using an elite for half of it.

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28 Jan 2008 at 18:19 - 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by MagmaRed
You compared a 2 skill combo to a 2 skill combo. One of those 2 skill combos used an elite, the other did not. If need be, make them both 3 skill combos, and use an elite for both. This will show Healer's Boon to out heal almost every other combo you can think up. Start adding in skills like Ethereal Light, Healing Whisper, Jamei's Gaze, and Infuse Health, and you see Boon has a huge potential. Adding in an elite to Patient Spirit and Dwayna's Kiss only offers Word of Healing, Glimmer of Light, and Healing Light. Patient is a good skill to use to anticipate healing. Cast it on someone taking minimal damage, and when they need the heal, they get it. During that 2 seconds, you can then heal someone else.

I don't see anything wrong with Patient Spirit, and have found it to be a nice skill. I don't use it often, but it works good when I need it to. I do see a problem with your comparison, as you are using an elite for half of it.
yes, I like it too. But in fact, it's so unrealistic of running it even with any combo I can think of. A buff of 50 HP heal more compare to healer's Boon combo would be more realistic. 50 more heal for an indirect heal is really not too powerful. Or make it AoE heal (small area) and reduce the heal effect. You might say omg this is too powerful but balling up just for 50 heal AoE isn't very smart. Prob need more recharge if this buff take effect.

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28 Jan 2008 at 18:50 - 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
Ok now tell me why do we want to use the "Dwayna's Kiss" + "Patient Spirit" combo if "Heal Other" + "Healer's Boon" combo is better?
So if you take a look at the skill Healer's boon, you'll notice a yellow/gold border around it. I believe that's what people would call as an "elite skill".

If you didn't get the memo yet, the first combo allows you to still use an elite skill, whereas the second doesn't. Plus the second forces you into a (near) full healing monk, which is generally bad, but I won't go there because you'd probably throw hissy fits like everyone else that share the philosophy of "I beat the game, therefore I'm good"

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28 Jan 2008 at 19:08 - 19
LMAO at Divine.

You don't get my point, it's not the comparation lol. Think it as a whole. How many times you have seen or use Patient Spirit. Though I know u would agree that Patient Spirit is good. A bit of a buff would have make it be in use more offen.

Btw this is Roast Bunny, wow!

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28 Jan 2008 at 19:28 - 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by holymasamune
So if you take a look at the skill Healer's boon, you'll notice a yellow/gold border around it. I believe that's what people would call as an "elite skill".

If you didn't get the memo yet, the first combo allows you to still use an elite skill, whereas the second doesn't. Plus the second forces you into a (near) full healing monk, which is generally bad, but I won't go there because you'd probably throw hissy fits like everyone else that share the philosophy of "I beat the game, therefore I'm good"
QFT. "pryo monks" (a term I've never heard used to describe heal/prot hybrids) are generally superior.

One of the reasons I don't see Patient Spirit is because it is a GW:EN skill. I've seen Dwayna's Kiss be used... thousands of times since the release of Phrophecies, back when it was just Guild Wars.

People use what they are used to and are familar with. The real problem with patient is the way it behaves as a delayed heal (which is... the point of the skill). Somebody who is used to Dwayna's Kiss or Infusing, etc and have been playing it for 2 years have a very hard time adjusting to the behavior of patient. It just throws off the timing of most experienced monks. So it hardly ever sees any play.

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28 Jan 2008 at 19:33 - 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Stopped reading here, when it became clear the OP was a bad monk and therefore clueless.
Have to agree here.

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28 Jan 2008 at 19:39 - 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
QFT. "pryo monks" (a term I've never heard used to describe heal/prot hybrids) are generally superior.

One of the reasons I don't see Patient Spirit is because it is a GW:EN skill. I've seen Dwayna's Kiss be used... thousands of times since the release of Phrophecies, back when it was just Guild Wars.

People use what they are used to and are familar with. The real problem with patient is the way it behaves as a delayed heal (which is... the point of the skill). Somebody who is used to Dwayna's Kiss or Infusing, etc and have been playing it for 2 years have a very hard time adjusting to the behavior of patient. It just throws off the timing of most experienced monks. So it hardly ever sees any play.
Hahahha w/e I'm tired. yes, I mean Hybrid ahahhaha!!! W/e wow I'm bad!

Yes, that's why I want a buff. It's good but too unrealistic. People read my post and only look at the dam comparation and say oh "2 non-elite" vs "1 non-elite and 1 Elite skill." Just like my dam friend "Divine" hahaha. Can't believe he still think like that. My compartion is just an example of the closest combo that can be used to compare.

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28 Jan 2008 at 19:44 - 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBeauty
LMAO at Divine.

You don't get my point, it's not the comparation lol. Think it as a whole. How many times you have seen or use Patient Spirit. Though I know u would agree that Patient Spirit is good. A bit of a buff would have make it be in use more offen.

Btw this is Roast Bunny, wow!
STOP THROWING HISSY FITS THEN

And you didn't beat the game, so I WIN

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Quote:
Originally Posted by holymasamune
STOP THROWING HISSY FITS THEN

And you didn't beat the game, so I WIN

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Uhmm, your term. It's undefine in the dictionary. WTF is that? Uhmm yeh I did not beat the game. LMAO. Where did you get that idea from Divine? -,-". You smoke too much crack lmao! Go play PvE, go go go go go.!

Btw how did your GvG from [dR] go? I still wonder why the hell [DF] have so high in rating lol. Their win-lose is kinda worse than [dR] lol.

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28 Jan 2008 at 20:04 - 25
im confused about this whole thread. all i see is superior players getting beat up by a total nub at monking.


Quote:
Originally Posted by NamlessBeauty
stuffstuffstuff

Talk about HA.
1. Channeling (a must unless running some smite ball)
2. Veil/Spotless (also a must unless running some weird crap)
3. Draw condition
4. Orison (out of question)
5. Infuse (also out of question)
6. Heal Party / Healing Seed (No need to explain) Pyro gonna run Prot spirit on this of course.

more useless stuff
WHO RUNS 12 DIVINE FAVOR? most useless idea ever. really, it is.

im kinda lost at that whole HA bar too... you mean you dont always run DK? you would rather use HBoon + heal other? personally when im HAing dwayna's almost always outheals heal other in the first place.

and hybrids dont run that bar...? i dont really like having prot spirit and an infuse on the same bar, because then, sometimes, i wont know if i should be using PS or Infuse until after the first spike, which might have been to late.

i pick on this part because its the most likely part for a nub to come into the forum, look at, copy down, and go suck at HA.

and i have seen good guilds (since that seems to be your reference for good or bad skills) using patient spirit.

GoLE is annoying and i hate it for anything other than pve. lets stop for 1.5 sec before casting anything else, especially those nice 10e prots that should have been on that target more than a second ago!

who feels like closing this thread for the sheer laugh of it? eh?

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28 Jan 2008 at 20:11 - 26
Buff not needed.

Reasons:
Pretty much the same already stated by
Xiao The Blade, The Meth, blakecrow, MagmaRed and Stormlord Alex

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29 Jan 2008 at 01:50 - 27
Wow, namelessbeauty you are stupid RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupidly retarded.

You never go healer without dismiss condition and either PS or Spirit bond for PVP... In fact, you fail even more for comparing a combo with an elite to one without one...

Gtfo of the game.

Ok, searing flames costs 15e and is more DPS then flare + fireball for 15e.

So omfg buff flare and fireball to do the same DPS as searing flames plox.

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29 Jan 2008 at 01:55 - 28
I'm a little confused; isn't the whole point of patient spirit to be a delayed-action heal? You plop it on a person just before they attack an enemy, and it'll trigger at the same time or just after the retaliatory strike.

Anyway, don't we have enough straight-on healing skills? I think diversity is good at this point...

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29 Jan 2008 at 03:14 - 29
Patient spirit is fine as it is. We don't need a 1/4s cast 5e heal other. If you feel the need to buff something, take your pick out of the rest of the healing line.
(or the divine favor line for that matter, ArenaNet knows how to provide for the sealed deck audience.)

O and: infuse - patient spirit - word of healing - draw - prot sprit - heal party - veil - channeling equals win.

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29 Jan 2008 at 03:34 - 30
/agree with above
that build rocks in the halls cept i don't use hp but thats kinda a preference

this thread has become a flame fest *grabs marshmallow and a stick*

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29 Jan 2008 at 18:25 - 31
I use pateint spirit, WoH, RoF and others in AB and RA thats it. Its good if your dazed or have migraine so the 1/4 second cast still lets u use skills without being shut down totally.

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29 Jan 2008 at 22:14 - 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Wow, namelessbeauty you are stupid RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupidly retarded.

You never go healer without dismiss condition and either PS or Spirit bond for PVP... In fact, you fail even more for comparing a combo with an elite to one without one...

Gtfo of the game.

Ok, searing flames costs 15e and is more DPS then flare + fireball for 15e.

So omfg buff flare and fireball to do the same DPS as searing flames plox.
Thanks for banning this!

Again, my point is that Patient Spirit is a good skill, there are people who use it and think it's good right now, I know that. But it's really not that effective. But it's fine.

Mod: Please close! Too many flamers!

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29 Jan 2008 at 22:42 - 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Ok, searing flames costs 15e and is more DPS then flare + fireball for 15e.

So omfg buff flare and fireball to do the same DPS as searing flames plox.
Gotta agree with this comparison; this thread is just based on a stupid premise.

Seriously, Patient's competition is Dwayna's kiss. That's it. Compare the two skill, don't drag in this other ridiculous crap about comparing the use of them combined with some other 2 skill combo (one of which is elite...), because no one uses patient + dwayna's that I know of.

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30 Jan 2008 at 00:31 - 34
Patient Spirit has its place in the game, I see it used periodically, it's not an unused skill. Dwayna's Kiss has its place in the game, although it is used a lot more.

Can't it just be left at that?

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30 Jan 2008 at 03:53 - 35
So since this is turning into a flamefest and the OP wants the thread closed, I'm going to close it.