Axe Builds?
Bellth
Hey, I was just wondering if there are any Axe Builds (For PvE) that are fairly equal to Sword Builds such as Dslash? Please post em here. Thanks
Songbringer
evic war triple chop is good for farming mobs. If you really need some builds....
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Category...ing_PvE_builds
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Category...ing_PvE_builds
Yukito Kunisaki
I don't believe it's possible for an axe to generate that level of DPS due to its lack of an instant adrenaline engine...
Your closest bet for a High DPS style axe would include low adrenaline skills such as:
Keen Chop
Penetrating Blow
Cleave {E}
Dismember
Problem? Swords still have better Avg. dps so axes can't be relied on for that kind of setup. I think for maximum power, you'd need to fight using a combination of adrenal buff and hexes.
Weaken Armor, Barbs, and Mark of Fury come to mind.
Your closest bet for a High DPS style axe would include low adrenaline skills such as:
Keen Chop
Penetrating Blow
Cleave {E}
Dismember
Problem? Swords still have better Avg. dps so axes can't be relied on for that kind of setup. I think for maximum power, you'd need to fight using a combination of adrenal buff and hexes.
Weaken Armor, Barbs, and Mark of Fury come to mind.
Stormlord Alex
Axe builds are better than swords when it comes to dealing AoE damage, PvE-wise. Play to that strength.
If you want to play Axe in PvE at top effectiveness, run Triple Chop.
With Cyclone Axe and Whirlwind Attack, pretty much all of your attacks can be multi-target. Throw on Splinter Weapon (or bring a caster with it) for even more AoE devestation.
Then... "Save Yourselves!" (it'll charge fairly fast hitting multiple enemies) and Flail and you're golden.
Build, build, build!
(... Stormlord is thinking. Poor world)
12+1+1 Axe, 10 Channeling, 8+1 Strength
[skill]triple chop[/skill][skill]cyclone axe[/skill][skill]splinter weapon[/skill][skill]flail[/skill][skill]rush[/skill][skill]death pact signet[/skill]
Rush isn't strictly needed, you could take Dismember or Brawling Headbutt there too.
If you want to play Axe in PvE at top effectiveness, run Triple Chop.
With Cyclone Axe and Whirlwind Attack, pretty much all of your attacks can be multi-target. Throw on Splinter Weapon (or bring a caster with it) for even more AoE devestation.
Then... "Save Yourselves!" (it'll charge fairly fast hitting multiple enemies) and Flail and you're golden.
Build, build, build!
(... Stormlord is thinking. Poor world)12+1+1 Axe, 10 Channeling, 8+1 Strength
[skill]triple chop[/skill][skill]cyclone axe[/skill][skill]splinter weapon[/skill][skill]flail[/skill][skill]rush[/skill][skill]death pact signet[/skill]
Rush isn't strictly needed, you could take Dismember or Brawling Headbutt there too.
Bellth
Thanks for your quick responses. I'll be sure to try out Triple Chop, Dslash all day just gets boring. 
Hamanaqua
Surprised no one here suggested Fury with Illusionary Weaponry. Can't be blocked, can't miss, blind condition has no affect, still reap the benefits of riposte. So long as you swing, you do dmg. Oh and it is dmg that ignores armor as well. I'd imagine cyclone would work nicely with it too.
Read the full wiki on Illusionary. Could be the basis for some very nice melee builds.
Read the full wiki on Illusionary. Could be the basis for some very nice melee builds.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Hamanaqua
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You weren't helping though.|
Read the full wiki on Illusionary. Could be the basis for some very nice melee builds.
No, it can't. A build with IW is gimped from the beginning. The damage is comparable to merely attacking without any skills. A warrior then gets better by adding attack skills to really hurt things, IW gets worse because you can't build adrenaline and the rest of your bar will be trash.
Teutonic Paladin
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Originally Posted by Hamanaqua
Surprised no one here suggested Fury with Illusionary Weaponry. Can't be blocked, can't miss, blind condition has no affect, still reap the benefits of riposte. So long as you swing, you do dmg. Oh and it is dmg that ignores armor as well. I'd imagine cyclone would work nicely with it too.
Read the full wiki on Illusionary. Could be the basis for some very nice melee builds. Low damage, takes your elite, no deep wound, and you suggested Riposte. The reason no one suggests IW is because it is a terrible skill.
Dutch Masterr
This is a fun build to use in PvE...
W/E or W/Mo strength 9/10, axe 15, tactics 11/12....rest in earth magic/protection prayers [skill]healing signet[/skill] [skill]enraging charge[/skill] [skill]flail[/skill] [skill]dismember[/skill] [skill]cleave[/skill] [skill]executioner's strike[/skill] [skill]agonizing chop[/skill] [skill]grasping earth[/skill] or [skill]mending touch[/skill] Im not a big fan of PvE only skills so i wont suggest any of them, but if you want an all warrior build use [skill]"watch yourself!"[/skill] or a res instead of grasping earth or mending touch.
ShadowsRequiem
I just run the standard W/E evis>exe chop build in pve and it seems to work great. DSlash is used so much just for the fact it works so well with Save Yourself. Running Shock axe in pve is like ftw... XD
I've run stuff like Evis Exe Chop Bullstrike SY For Great Justice Flail Enraging IF you want to be cool like the old WM you can run that bar as a W/Mes and bring power spike XD its 5 e now and hell when you got no interrupts it helps sometimes XD AND NEVER EVER run IW on a warrior bar. That is the dumbest possible thing you can ever do. Gimping your DPS to 29 each hit is completely moronic!
Crom The Pale
I still stand by my build as a fun axe alternative to Dslash...
[skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill][skill]Whirling Axe[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Conjure Lightning[/skill][skill]Dismember[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill] + "I Am The Strongest!"
Hamanaqua
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Because most of the people here have a clue.
Nice to know that when someone tries to help, people are so gracious about their criticism.
Funny thing is IW on my Derv did a great job against both Shiro and Abaddon. It's a video game Stormlord. Don't go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back.
Pyro maniac
The build I suggested earlier to a friend is similiar to Alex's. (just because TC, cyclone and SY are god)
[skill]Triple Chop[/skill][skill]Cyclone Axe[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Disrupting Chop[/skill][skill]Flesh of my Flesh[/skill] Max axe and strenght. Main differences between alex and mine is: splinter - d-chop: Prefer splinter on a ritualist. Since I'll take them with me alot of times. Still Splinter is god if you don't have it on your heroes. enraging - rush: rush allows for better movement, however I found enraging to be better for charging SY. PvE mobs tend to bring the massive damage at the start. If you're not using Enraging you can pretty much keep up SY, however not at the start. A single EC + TC allows to fully charge SY at the start thus reducing the first 'spike' of damage. death pact - flesh of my flesh: /care. I like fomf. Teutonic Paladin
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Originally Posted by Hamanaqua
Nice to know that when someone tries to help, people are so gracious about their criticism.
Funny thing is IW on my Derv did a great job against both Shiro and Abaddon. It's a video game Stormlord. Don't go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back. He may not be being very helpful, but you're actually hurting other's chances at being successful. Suggesting IW is like suggesting that we take off our armor and /sit in battle.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Hamanaqua
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Reread the OP.
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Hey, I was just wondering if there are any Axe Builds (For PvE) that are fairly equal to Sword Builds such as Dslash? Please post em here. Thanks
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IW is hardly equal to auto-attacking, let alone a full godmode DSlasher.
IW is hardly equal to auto-attacking, let alone a full godmode DSlasher.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Hamanaqua
Nice to know that when someone tries to help, people are so gracious about their criticism.
Funny thing is IW on my Derv did a great job against both Shiro and Abaddon.
It's a video game Stormlord. Don't go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back. If you offer bad help, you shouldn't be surprised when people call it bad. Alex is right on this, like it or not. The only real use I've ever found for IW was winning a rather large bet on whether I could beat a stance tank with another warrior in melee.
I don't know that I'd want to run splinter on the warrior, as it's fairly time-intensive. A conjure or somesuch would probably fit better, and have a rit or a necro throw splinter on you.
Funny thing is IW on my Derv did a great job against both Shiro and Abaddon.
It's a video game Stormlord. Don't go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back. If you offer bad help, you shouldn't be surprised when people call it bad. Alex is right on this, like it or not. The only real use I've ever found for IW was winning a rather large bet on whether I could beat a stance tank with another warrior in melee.
I don't know that I'd want to run splinter on the warrior, as it's fairly time-intensive. A conjure or somesuch would probably fit better, and have a rit or a necro throw splinter on you.
Faer
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Originally Posted by Hamanaqua
Funny thing is IW on my Derv did a great job against both Shiro and Abaddon.
Funny thing is you can beat every PvE area with an empty skillbar. Doesn't make it good, and it certaintly doesn't make it automatically qualify as an Axe build on par with DSlash.
Magikarp
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Originally Posted by Hamanaqua
Surprised no one here suggested Fury with Illusionary Weaponry. Can't be blocked, can't miss, blind condition has no affect, still reap the benefits of riposte. So long as you swing, you do dmg. Oh and it is dmg that ignores armor as well. I'd imagine cyclone would work nicely with it too.
Read the full wiki on Illusionary. Could be the basis for some very nice melee builds. while Alex can be a lil harsh, i think the main goal of these post your opinion threads is to find the ultimate solution, not really going for some fun, happy alternative. although, feel free to make a thread like that ect, thats all fine and dandy, but its almost offensive tbh, to say something about IW on a warrior bar to a wad of the best warriors guru offers.
it'd be like going to a bar with a bunch of bikers shooting pool and saying, "one time on the style network, they said pink was the new 'tough guy' look.... i think you guys should wear pink!!"
Read the full wiki on Illusionary. Could be the basis for some very nice melee builds. while Alex can be a lil harsh, i think the main goal of these post your opinion threads is to find the ultimate solution, not really going for some fun, happy alternative. although, feel free to make a thread like that ect, thats all fine and dandy, but its almost offensive tbh, to say something about IW on a warrior bar to a wad of the best warriors guru offers.
it'd be like going to a bar with a bunch of bikers shooting pool and saying, "one time on the style network, they said pink was the new 'tough guy' look.... i think you guys should wear pink!!"
Sir Pandra Pierva
Evis spike that may not be up to full par with d slash but I like it still
Coloneh
Dragon slash wins at single target dps
triple chop/cyclone/whirlwind wins at AoE
/close
triple chop/cyclone/whirlwind wins at AoE
/close
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Magikarp
it'd be like going to a bar with a bunch of bikers shooting pool and saying, "one time on the style network, they said pink was the new 'tough guy' look.... i think you guys should wear pink!!"
Actually, I'd liken it more to turning up at a Slayer gig in an MCR hoodie. Even gorier 
Hamanaqua
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
If you offer bad help, you shouldn't be surprised when people call it bad. .
You are absolutely right but you can call it bad without being insulting. You were able to make a valid point without being a pill, so what is Stormlord's excuse?
I admit I have never played the warrior class and I should definitely have qualified my posting by saying that. People just need to relax. I appreciate the more civil criticism Strangelove. Thanks.
I admit I have never played the warrior class and I should definitely have qualified my posting by saying that. People just need to relax. I appreciate the more civil criticism Strangelove. Thanks.
Hamanaqua
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Originally Posted by Magikarp
it'd be like going to a bar with a bunch of bikers shooting pool and saying, "one time on the style network, they said pink was the new 'tough guy' look.... i think you guys should wear pink!!" I think that is reaching a bit. I made a bad suggestion. That's it. I'm a financial analyst. When someone makes a bad suggestion about structuring a loan, I don't tell them "they don't have a clue". I explain to them with civility why the deal won't work. There is nothing productive about making people feel stupid in these posts.
Longasc
I want to echo what Stormlord Alex and Coloneh already said and add in my personal preferences.
I prefer Axes to Swords in general PvE. It is a mix of Energy and Adrenaline attacks, you can easily fit in Wild Blow without getting hurt too much by the adrenaline loss.
My (slightly varied) suggestion:
12+1+1 Axe
Rest: optional, usually Strength
1. Triple Chop
2. Cyclone Axe
3. Whirlwind Attack
4. Dismember
5. Exec Strike
6. Brawling Headbutt <- very useful touch-KD
7. optional (FGJ or Flail with cancel stance... or both)
8. optional / Rez / Wild Blow
If you want Save Yourselves, Watch Yourself or whatever, up to you. I just cannot get rid of Brawling Headbutt anymore!
For a DSlasher, I usually run this
1. Dragon Slash
2. Sun and Moon Slash
3. Save Yourselves
4. Brawling Headbutt
5. Steelfang Slash (use after BH)
6. Flail
7. For Great Justice
8. optional
OK, going too much into detail. Just my 50 cent.
I prefer Axes to Swords in general PvE. It is a mix of Energy and Adrenaline attacks, you can easily fit in Wild Blow without getting hurt too much by the adrenaline loss.
My (slightly varied) suggestion:
12+1+1 Axe
Rest: optional, usually Strength
1. Triple Chop
2. Cyclone Axe
3. Whirlwind Attack
4. Dismember
5. Exec Strike
6. Brawling Headbutt <- very useful touch-KD
7. optional (FGJ or Flail with cancel stance... or both)
8. optional / Rez / Wild Blow
If you want Save Yourselves, Watch Yourself or whatever, up to you. I just cannot get rid of Brawling Headbutt anymore!
For a DSlasher, I usually run this
1. Dragon Slash
2. Sun and Moon Slash
3. Save Yourselves
4. Brawling Headbutt
5. Steelfang Slash (use after BH)
6. Flail
7. For Great Justice
8. optional
OK, going too much into detail. Just my 50 cent.
RhanoctJocosa
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
Dragon slash wins at single target dps
triple chop/cyclone/whirlwind wins at AoE
/close I like how that has nothing to do with the thread.
Whenever I go axe in PvE (rarely) I run something like:
[skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Eviscerate[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Distracting Blow[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill][skill]"Save Yourselves!"[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill][skill]"There's Nothing To Fear!"[/skill]
triple chop/cyclone/whirlwind wins at AoE
/close I like how that has nothing to do with the thread.
Whenever I go axe in PvE (rarely) I run something like:
[skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Eviscerate[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Distracting Blow[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill][skill]"Save Yourselves!"[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill][skill]"There's Nothing To Fear!"[/skill]
Teutonic Paladin
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Originally Posted by Hamanaqua
I think that is reaching a bit. I made a bad suggestion. That's it. I'm a financial analyst. When someone makes a bad suggestion about structuring a loan, I don't tell them "they don't have a clue". I explain to them with civility why the deal won't work. There is nothing productive about making people feel stupid in these posts.
Welcome to the internet, it's full of immature kids. If you're going to get this worked up because a child called you bad at playing a game you need to work on your self-confidence. Next you're going to make some stupid comment about how you're not whining but that's all you're doing. No one cares about your job, your real world experiences, or the lessons you have to offer. If you don't like someone, back off.
MisterB
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Originally Posted by Hamanaqua
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I admit I have never played the warrior class and I should definitely have qualified my posting by saying that. People just need to relax. I appreciate the more civil criticism Strangelove. Thanks. Actually, if you've never played a class, you probably shouldn't offer advice on how to play it. Especially when your advice is using IW on a warrior. I'm not trying to be rude here, just blunt.
edit: On topic, Triple Chop kills stuff.
Or, you could run this: [skill]Arcane Echo[/skill][skill]Echo[/skill] and
or 
Discuss.
I admit I have never played the warrior class and I should definitely have qualified my posting by saying that. People just need to relax. I appreciate the more civil criticism Strangelove. Thanks. Actually, if you've never played a class, you probably shouldn't offer advice on how to play it. Especially when your advice is using IW on a warrior. I'm not trying to be rude here, just blunt.
edit: On topic, Triple Chop kills stuff.
Or, you could run this: [skill]Arcane Echo[/skill][skill]Echo[/skill] and
or Discuss.
Tooplex198
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Originally Posted by MisterB
Actually, if you've never played a class, you probably shouldn't offer advice on how to play it. Especially when your advice is using IW on a warrior. I'm not trying to be rude here, just blunt.
edit: On topic, Triple Chop kills stuff.
Or, you could run this: [skill]Arcane Echo[/skill][skill]Echo[/skill]
Discuss. I really don't think that would ever work.
edit: On topic, Triple Chop kills stuff.
Or, you could run this: [skill]Arcane Echo[/skill][skill]Echo[/skill]
Discuss. I really don't think that would ever work.
Sir Pandra Pierva
makes me wanna do it for kicks
Yukito Kunisaki
Please don't forget Dismember in your axe builds unless you're running Eviscerate. [avoid Decapitate, sounds good on paper, but very poor in practice]
My AoE nuclear Axe user usually runs a PvE setup consisting of W. skills:
Triple Chop
Cyclone Axe
Whirlwind Attack
Dismember
If that's the first half of your skill bar, you're probably doing better than 70% of the PvE AoE warriors out there... Hopefully the 2nd half of your skill bar won't involve energy skills cause having 2 5e. skills will eat your energy away, even with a zealous at times...
My AoE nuclear Axe user usually runs a PvE setup consisting of W. skills:
Triple Chop
Cyclone Axe
Whirlwind Attack
Dismember
If that's the first half of your skill bar, you're probably doing better than 70% of the PvE AoE warriors out there... Hopefully the 2nd half of your skill bar won't involve energy skills cause having 2 5e. skills will eat your energy away, even with a zealous at times...
Sir Pandra Pierva
i ran decap once to try it and it puts out decent dmg but you really have to watch it while using it. I would always rather use Evis over it though
Grammar
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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki
Triple Chop, Dismember, and Flail should be the core three damage skills on an axe bar.
From there, you just add on other skills depending on where you are and what you're trying to do, such as Cyclone Axe, Whirlwind, Executioners, Furious Axe, Disrupting Chop, etc.
For example, I'd add on Cyclone and Whirlwind if I wanted heavier AoE, while I would add on Executioners and Furious if I wanted heavier single-target damage. Add on Disrupting Chop if you want an interrupt, Wild Blow for certain bosses, etc. etc.
JDRyder
i love hammer but i also LOVE axe "dont like sword at all rly"
axe 12+1+1
strength 11+1
air 6
[skill]eviscerate[/skill][skill]executioner's strike[/skill][skill]agonizing chop[/skill][skill]flail[/skill][skill]wild blow[/skill][skill]enraging charge[/skill][skill]shock[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]
axe 12+1+1
strength 11+1
water 6
[skill]cleave[/skill][skill]executioner's strike[/skill][skill]dismember[/skill][skill]flail[/skill][skill]wild blow[/skill][skill]enraging charge[/skill][skill]conjure frost[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]
on both builds you can take out executioner's for body blow, and on the 2nd build if you do this add in agonizing chop other then dismember. wild blow can also be taken out for healing sig "i take strength down to 9 and add it in to tactics"
axe 12+1+1
strength 11+1
air 6
[skill]eviscerate[/skill][skill]executioner's strike[/skill][skill]agonizing chop[/skill][skill]flail[/skill][skill]wild blow[/skill][skill]enraging charge[/skill][skill]shock[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]
axe 12+1+1
strength 11+1
water 6
[skill]cleave[/skill][skill]executioner's strike[/skill][skill]dismember[/skill][skill]flail[/skill][skill]wild blow[/skill][skill]enraging charge[/skill][skill]conjure frost[/skill][skill]resurrection signet[/skill]
on both builds you can take out executioner's for body blow, and on the 2nd build if you do this add in agonizing chop other then dismember. wild blow can also be taken out for healing sig "i take strength down to 9 and add it in to tactics"
blue.rellik
Why....do....you.....have.....wild....blow........ ?
Coloneh
those are some pretty terrible attribute spreads...
JDRyder
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
Why....do....you.....have.....wild....blow........ ?
cuz its pve. i like bulls strike better my self but npcs dont run from you D: it was just a blank skill can be replaced with any thing rly
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by JDRyder
cuz its pve. i like bulls strike better my self but npcs dont run from you D: it was just a blank skill can be replaced with any thing rly
You do realize Wild Blow drains all your adrenaline right?
ShadowsRequiem
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Originally Posted by blue.rellik
You do realize Wild Blow drains all your adrenaline right?
And you do realize that those damn ranger monsters have like 17 sec whirling defenses right......
Number one reason I hated playing in NF lol
and imo you dont need 12 in str.... 9 is fine
Number one reason I hated playing in NF lol
and imo you dont need 12 in str.... 9 is fine
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem
And you do realize that those damn ranger monsters have like 17 sec whirling defenses right......
Number one reason I hated playing in NF lol
and imo you dont need 12 in str.... 9 is fine Bring Melonni with Wild Blow instead, at least it doesn't kill the rest of her skills
Number one reason I hated playing in NF lol
and imo you dont need 12 in str.... 9 is fine Bring Melonni with Wild Blow instead, at least it doesn't kill the rest of her skills
JDRyder
you did read i said you can replace it with other skills right?
if you dont like 1 skill on a bar does not mean the bar is bad, the slot is rly up 2 you, lots of skills you can put in there i added wild blow cuz its pve who cares
if you dont like 1 skill on a bar does not mean the bar is bad, the slot is rly up 2 you, lots of skills you can put in there i added wild blow cuz its pve who cares