How do you feel about references?

Crescent Sky

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

Every so often you come across NPC names and Boss names and skills names and even inscriptions that are references to songs, people or pop culture stuff.
How do u feel about it?

Personally i despised it at first. It kinda took away that "fantasy" feeling away from the game for me knowing that Dupek The Mighty refers to Dupek, which sorta means Asshole in polish, Edinaz refers to Zidane, etc. I got over it :\
How about u guys?

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

"I got over it."

Good call. It's a game, and it's made in the 21st century. If you want purist RPG, go play DnD. This is a fun game to play for casual players, not hardcore RP'ers.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Um, I find it hilarious.

GG?

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

Guild Wars has an extremely disappointingly low amount of easter eggs compared to most other games. The only one I can remember is the Elaine Rigbey Easter Egg in Ascalon city...because that's the only one that I've seen that was cool.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
Guild Wars has an extremely disappointingly low amount of easter eggs compared to most other games. The only one I can remember is the Elaine Rigbey Easter Egg in Ascalon city...because that's the only one that I've seen that was cool.
What about it?

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

It bugs me, but Guild Wars never was terribly immersive. Let's hope it's a little better next time.

DarkWasp

DarkWasp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Paradise

Agency Of Forbidden Fruits [Oot]

R/A

Well the story presentation is nothing epic to boast about. So I like the humor in the names.

Maybe not if the game were more serious.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

The main campaigns are serious (save for GW:EN, ungh), but everything else is just too humorous. It really gets to me sometimes.

If most of the quests and the like were written as good as Gwen's encounter with her mother, then I'd be playing through the games again and again.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Agree with Bryant. I like a few of them, they are amusing, but at the same time ruin any amount of role-playing immersion the game would otherwise have. I do hope that GW2 is more role-player friendly, and that these pop-culture references are kept at a minimum.

RhanoctJocosa

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

I was very, very amused when I saw the bosses named after Ensign and JR. Some are pretty lame, though.

EDIT: the master and bloodlight chat between those two kids at the snowball arena was awesome.

Crescent Sky

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
The main campaigns are serious (save for GW:EN, ungh), but everything else is just too humorous. It really gets to me sometimes.

If most of the quests and the like were written as good as Gwen's encounter with her mother, then I'd be playing through the games again and again.
Yeah i think that's what did it for me. Got over it once i started seein loads of dinosaurs in GWEN and robot lookin golems (i know ppl explained how they are magic but they will always seem like poorly explained robots to me though). Then i couldn't take the game seriously if i wanted either way.

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

This is the only reference I'll ever need, really.

Saelis Scarfang

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

Savior of Souls

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa
I was very, very amused when I saw the bosses named after Ensign and JR. Some are pretty lame, though.

EDIT: the master and bloodlight chat between those two kids at the snowball arena was awesome.
I've found Ensign, but which one's named after JR my noobcake, cause I can't find it in the Wiki.

Neo Nugget

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

I likem, especially the skill references.

Curse You

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

Well, since I wrote the Drakes on the Plain article for GuildWiki... I think I'll have to say I like them.

anonymous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

I like them most of the time, some are pretty funny. I don't really play for immersion and I have a better time when I have a laugh.

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

I have no strong feelings for or against.

pamelf

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

I think they're hilarious!

Kyrein

Kyrein

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Island of Undisclosed Location

im fine with them
doesnt really bother me because i dont really care if the name of a boss is some sports persons name backwards

Longasc

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

Too many references are cheap, they cannot replace a proper story and some ingenuity.

They are good as an addition for a laugh and I in general like them, but they need a proper world building to back them up, not even more references to pop culture.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

this is the one I like the most is the title one.

don't mind them at all for the op.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

One of the ones I have a problem with is the "Rodgort's" skills. Now, don't get me wrong, it's hilarious and I absolutely love Homestar Runner, but as far as I know, all the skills that contain a proper name are named after actual NPCs except for Rodgort. The skill icons also tend to point to a more lore-ish aspect, with the "mark" having some kind of glowing rune, and the "invocation" having an image of a demonic dragon of sorts. They lead one to believe that this might actually be a real dragon or something; perhaps a major part of the storyline. It just simply isn't, though, and that is kind of a let-down.

References like the titles, inscriptions, and even the rare and out-of-the-way NPC (like Galstaff the Light), or item (like Vera), are really funny and I support them all the way. I don't, however, like quests, cinematics, and major dialog being imbued with pop-culture stuff. That, IMO, is what really ruins immersion, and tends to have a cheap feeling to it. Like maybe it isn't as intentional as we would think, and more like the writers ran out of ideas.

Kale Ironfist

Kale Ironfist

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Australia

Venatio Illuminata [VEIL]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saelis Scarfang
I've found Ensign, but which one's named after JR my noobcake, cause I can't find it in the Wiki.
Try looking for Major Jeahr.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

I love each and every reference.

You keep wondering where each thing cames from or what do each thing refers to, if they refer to something.

The best part of the Wiki is the Trivia!

ArTy

ArTy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Australia

Overclockers Australia [OCAU]

Gotta love the Firefly references. Jayne and Vera ftw

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

I don't mind (and even like) weird references to obscure stuff which average player is not supposed to "get".

But i despise "In your face" stuff like Drakes on a plain ... i mean, come on...

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Now, what I am looking forward to is more "inside jokes" and references to GW itself in GW2. You know, something that us GW vets can get a good laugh at because we were there, man... we were there.

lynnae

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

UK

Suicide Cats

Rt/

personally, i think they're cute and amusing, and if i'm paying enough attention that i notice they make me smile and think about the developers.

/violins, i know

Sleeper Service

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

i love them.

"if it bleeds, we can kill it" is one of my favorite lines ever.

the starwars play acting, evil dead, princess bride...

far too many to mention and not all of them can be found on wiki either..

good stuff.

the most obvious one being DUNE...i mean come on, ride the wurm?

quickmonty

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

I enjoy them. Laughed hard the first time i came across the blue oysters, then they added "don't fear the reaper".

Olim Chill

Olim Chill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

USA

DMI

N/

The pop culture references make up a small aspect of the game and really shouldn't knock anyone out of their "fantasy mode". Some are witty, some are idiotic, but all can be easily ignored.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Now, what I am looking forward to is more "inside jokes" and references to GW itself in GW2. You know, something that us GW vets can get a good laugh at because we were there, man... we were there.
XDDD

That was GREAT! I loved that!

Also the Vloxen Excavatios > Riders of the Lost Ark

And Gandara Fortress > Star Wars

XDDD Just great, XDDD

I wish they made a reference to the Star Trek movies.

In Ultima VII, the Black gate, the entire Island of Valor is a parody of the USS-Enterprise NCC-1701-D, XD, a gargoyle that looks like Worf, a mayor that looks like picard, a blind africa-american like Geordi... XD

I loved that, XD.

Commander Ryker

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by A11Eur0
What about it?
Eleanor Rigby, a Beatles song.

Kattar

Kattar

EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING

Join Date: Mar 2007

SMS (lolgw2placeholder)

Me/

Personally, I like the references. But then again, I'm all for inside jokes and easter eggs, etc. Especially stuff the NPCs say. I've lol'd at those numerous times.

If you like em, you like em. If you don't, you don't. Just like in real life.

lakatz

lakatz

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

I don't call that 'reference'. I call it tribute. And to pay tribute is a good thing.

Oukanna

Oukanna

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Ancient Shaolin Guardians

E/D

I personally find getting possessed in an explorable area hilarious, it has a few simpsons quotes xDDD

"My cat's breath smells like cat food."
"My cat's name is Mittens."
"Then the healer told me that BOTH my eyes were lazy. That's why it was the best summer ever."
"When I grow up, I want to be a principal or a caterpillar."
"And this is where I met the leprechaun. He told me to burn things."

JeniM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

W/E

If GW's made me feel like i was there not sat in my room playing they'd be bad, but as GW's totally fails at making me feel involved then i don't mind them and find the more subtle ones funny

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

I liked Khobay the Betrayer for being a reference to Kharne the Betrayer (a Berserker of Khorne from WH40K).

I also like "Go For The Eyes!"

"Go for the eyes, Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!" - Minsc, to his Miniature Giant Space Hamster, Boo.

BioWare Corp FTW

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Agree with Bryant. I like a few of them, they are amusing, but at the same time ruin any amount of role-playing immersion the game would otherwise have. I do hope that GW2 is more role-player friendly, and that these pop-culture references are kept at a minimum.
Keep roleplaying down to a minimum....

Jake_Steel

Jake_Steel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Portland, OR

The Older Gamers (TOG)

N/Me

More Pop Culture References, I'm one of the MST3K generation, and less of the hardcore Wannabe LARPers please.