Need A Mouse For Hardcore Gaming

I am looking to be more competitive in my gaming and I think I am losing often because of my poor equipment. I am using a dell computer with all the original equipment and the mouse sucks horribly, there are certain times when the mouse ball thingy gets stuck and stops moving completely which results in me losing! I looking around and found some interesting mice (G5, Some Razor ones) but they were wired mice. Anyone know a mouse that is wireless, uses a laser, and has programmable buttons? I don't give a crap about cost.

If you like moving your wrist and arm around, then any decent optical mouse will do.
I personally use a Trackball mouse, (Not the one with the ball in the center, the Logitech one with the ball on the left for the Thumb) so my hand never moves, just my thumb.
Ive been using these for years, and they do take getting used to, but once your adjusted, youll hate regular mice.

The best thing I can suggest would be to go to a store like Best Buy, who has some display models of mice out. See how they feel and figure out what kind of mouse shape you like the most. To be honest, you don't need a very expensive one, just one that's comfortable. In fact, I prefer to get cheaper mice, (definitely optical), and just replace them every 1-2 years.

As an aside, I find the mice w/ more buttons to be a detriment, as they're usually very close together or the software to program them is lacking.

Lastly, I would suggest getting a mouse whose scroll wheel is either textured or made of a somewhat tacky material, so you can scroll reliably.

I personally use a Logitech G5 mouse.

Optical, adjustable DPI (400, 800, and 2000), and an adjustable weight cartridge up to 36 grams additional.

Logitech G5 Mouse

I bought it at a time where I played only FPS games but it has shown to be somewhat invaluable in Guild Wars also.

It carries a $60 price tag but is worth every penny.

edit: Ok I just saw you were looking for wireless, sorry for overlooking that.

Logitech also makes a wireless version of this mouse.

Logitech G7 Mouse

This is like the G5 mouse but without the weight cartridge. Hope that helps.

Logitech makes some excellent equipment, but for GW, you don't need the responsiveness of such a model. Also, if you're going for wireless, then you'll either want to get some rechargeable batteries, or a mouse that has a rechargeable battery built in. There are some neat models that are wireless, but can plug in via a usb wire for recharging purposes...

After further research wireless seems to be a poor choice. Wired mice are faster response time wise. I plan to go to the mall this weekend and check out a couple mice Razor DeathAdder, Logitech G5 and see what else I fancy there.

If this is just for guild wars then responsiveness doesn't matter, even in an FPS the difference between a wired G7 and the G5 is barely noticeable.

I tend not to like wireless mice as they are unreliable
For example you could be a monk in a high end gvg battle and the battery dies (if you forget to charge/change) and then you're screwed lol.

If you're a forgetful person like I am then wired would be best

I use a Razer Copperhead atm, going to upgrade to Lachesis as 2k dpi is getting as little slow for me >.<

But if you still have your eye set on a wireless mouse then Logitech seems to make some good ones.

if you got the cash: Razer Lachesis Muta Muta: "Bringer of Silent Death" THE Gaming Mouse! No other compares to it. Logitech is childsplay compared to this.

Confirmed trackball user here and use the logitech trackball.

I am also a complete luddite when it comes to wireless mice trackballs or keyboards.

I asked myself just how far away from the computer do I want to sit and second do I want to spend time replacing or recharging batteries.

After that it was an easy choice to go wired.

I do use a gaming keyboard though which is invaluable gw.

Logitech G5, you can set 5 'dpi-levels' between 500 and 2000 DPI. and the wire is just awesome, its not like the 'sticky' caple you get with all wires, its in some kind of cloth (don't know wich one) and it just moves perfectly.

Wireless sucks,batteries always die on you,signals get interrupted. Not to mention windows screwing things up! Wired is much more reliable.I like the razors too,nice build quality,comfortable, and customisable if you need it.

get a deathadder i love my deathadder, moved from a G5 to it, also G15 is nice to have for mmos

Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a
12 EUR mouse and it performs just as well as the top of Logitech. Even better. For more info:
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679

Just my opinion, but I think a "gaming keyboard" will help you more than a "gaming mouse". Take a look at Ideazon's Merc or Fang. Belkin's Nostromo looks cool too.

I just got the Fang, and it's great - I don't think I'll ever play games with a regular keyboard again. Using a regular keyboard was slowing me down much more than my mouse. Of course, If you've got money to spare, you could get a new mouse AND a new keyboard! :-D

Keyboards are less important than mice in most games. All keyboards have roughly the same technical ability to transfer the data whereas mice can differ quite a bit.

Especially the keyboards you named are reknown for perhaps a nice layout, but terrible quality (lifespan is short). For this reason most ´profesional gamers´from games like Warcraft 3, Starcraft, Counter-Strike, UT2004, Q3, use normal keyboards and tend to prefer the following brands: Samsung, Keytronics, Cherry and IBM (Model M).

Never had any problems with a wireless mouse to date (GW and FPS gameplay). Just make sure you get a mouse with an inteligent docking station to load the batteries every night (inteligent in that it doesnt carry on to charge the batteries after they are full, and the mouse powers down if its not being used). That way the worst that could happen is you loose the mouse under the mess on your desk which you have to clear up before gaming again .

You get same with Trust's Predator mouse. 5 settings, from 600 to 2000, 6 buttons that you can set to whatever you want and one ,,triple-click'' button for FPS games. I used Logitech's LX1000 mouse before and it was pretty much worse - only 3 buttons and no option to change the dpi settings.

But for GW, even a 2 button mouse with a scroll is enough. I use the 4th button for speaking on TS (much easier than using keyboard), 5th for dropping item I'm holding (ritualist ashes and other bundles) and 6th instead of T button for faster assist during a spike.

And yeah, keyboard doesn't matter too much in GW. It's useful in Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (additional keys help binding commands), strategies, MMORPG's (like WoW) and maybe sometimes in RPG's (ah, I would like to have additional buttons in Neverwinter Nights...).

Hope you can help me out since you have the fang.
Are you running Windows Vista and is the fang working ok.

I have the old Thrustmaster tactical board and they don't make vista drivers for it.
I am so used to all my rpg and first person shooters having the same key setup that my game is really suffering now that I am reduced to using a qwerty keyboard.

Sorry, I am running on WindowsXP (no problems).

Vista "shouldn't" be a problem if you're looking for a replacement for your Thrustmaster - The Fang is just a USB device, with the "ZEngine" software doing the critical stuff. If you go to Ideazon and download the latest ZEngine software for Fang, it asks for your operating system - Vista is one of the choices so I would assume they have tested under Vista... and besides the Fang is a fairly recent product, not some old pre-Vista thing.

I can only suggest you Google for Fang reviews, and see if any were done under Vista... or search for "Fang" "Problem" and "Vista" to see if people are reporting trouble with it.

Really, to tell the truth, I use a graphics design 16 button 2 wheel trackball mouse with all the main commands hotkeyed to the various buttons. I use the Ideazon Zboard too, but that's just for movement. Personally, I think that combo works best for gaming. It might just be me, but it's pretty killer for FPS's too. (Since I don't need to move as much)

I've been looking at the Lachesis. Do you like it and think it is worth the price tag?

Well it's not like this is Starcraft where you need 200 APM {Actions Per Minute} in order to compete even at the average stage. Guild Wars is a very easy game when compared to RTS so I do not agree that it is your equipment.
My 13 year old brother holds halls weekly and he is only like 20 APM max. Guild Wars is more about the skills you bring and very basic use of them, not really how well you move your mouse {Expecially since you can activate your skills with the 1-8 keys and hit "T" for target and move with the keyboard} but i'd say just about and mouse would do.

No need for a gaming grade mouse for Guild Wars but there's the Razer DeathAdder Guild Wars Edition.

Lol i thought i was the only trackball gamer.. I could never go back to a regular mouse.

I've purchased quite a few gaming mice... here is my take on them:

Wireless mice: forget about them... too much mouse lag lol.

Razer Diamondback - narrow design allows for quick, agile response. Despite its older design age, it would have been perfect had the two side thumb buttons been given two separate plastic plastic covers (pressing any side button too hard activated the other button contact). No hardware DPI adjustment buttons. However, the Diamondback is still one of the best mice I've used shape-wise.

Razer Copperhead - narrow design allows for quick, agile response. However, the mouse's platform base is so narrow compared to the top of the mouse that sqeezing the mouse's sides tends to lift the mouse off the table. Not good for aim stability purposes. No hardware DPI adjustment buttons.

Razer Death Adder - clean, crisp ergonomic design makes this another solid choice. However, for Hellgate London players, the optical sensor seems to have threshold issues (if you don't move the mouse fast enough, cursor movement does not register correctly on the screen). If you won't ever play HGL, then this mouse should be fine. No hardware DPI adjustment buttons.

Razer Habu - very similar look/feel to the Death Adder. Unlike the Death Adder, the Habu features hardware DPI switching and no optical sensor stall issues. It also has adjustable side buttons, but unfortunately these side buttons flex and creak like crazy. If you want a solid feeling mouse, stay away from this one.

Razer Lachesis - narrow design allows for quick, agile response like the Diamondback. 4000 DPI optical sensor is currently the best on the market. The biggest problem I found was that the mouse button5 (the side forward button) was positioned on the widened front wedge of the mouse. This made pressing that side button tend to push or "squirt the mouse forward out of the user's hands. I really wish Razer would take more time designing their mouse ergonomics properly instead for going for good looks alone. This mouse had such promise, but each time I use it, my hand ends up hurting after half an hour of UT3 game time.

Microsoft Sidewinder - pretty good design for large-hand users. Its high rear arch did lead to some ergo/comfort issues, but otherwise it was pretty good. Hardware DPI switching and adjustable weights make this mouse a pretty safe bet.

Logitech G5 - Venerable penut shaped ergo design. Very popular, supports hardware DPI switching. Unfortunately it gave me comfort problems due to its raised edges along the front of the mouse.

Logitech G9 - My current favorite mouse, though it has a number of odd-ball issues. 3200 dpi with hardware DPI switching and mouse wheel side-scroll is nice. It supports macros and has adjustable weights + grip shells. Unfortunately these shells hold the inner mouse a bit loose, leading to a squishy/flexy feel when gripped hard. I had to install adhesive felt pads on the inside of the shells to remove this excess play. The gray matte finish starts showing wear-marks after several days of use, so I covered the buttons with clear contact paper. Also, the satin wide grip started to peel unexpectedly after a few weeks, so now I'm using the narrow, hard plastic grip. Logitech is supposedly planning on selling aftermarket G9 grip shells, but I still see no signs of their actual release. UPDATE: I just visited Logitech's site and found replacement grips now being sold at $5.00 USD each. I ordered two just to be safe.

Sorry for being so wordy, but you wanted mouse reviews, so there they are...

I got a Razer Diamondback a few months back and it was worth every penny.

May I ask why you want wireless?

Batteries are expensive & I hear swappable batteries can be a PITA plus wired have afaster response time.

I'd reccommend a Razer, I don't have model #s handy.

Guild wars mouse

should get this

I was put onto trackballs about 6 years ago and this is my third one, I seem to wear the buttons out with my excessive use.

New computer came with a mouse so I put my tracball on the new one and the mouse on the old but its a miserable experience when I am working on it.

When gaming gets intense its easy imo to lose the mousemat or even the desk, I always know where my thumb is in relation to the ball.


Thanks Hissy
I will be getting either a fang or the merc keyboard when money is available.

I have the Razor Copperhead. The Razer is pretty good, but my palm is about the size of the whole mouse. Need to find something bigger really.

I find the idea of Ideazon's keyboards good, but in practice I find the build quality pretty poor and the keys themselves feel very flimsy and "clicky".

I'd heartily recommend the G15 though - if you can justify the wonga.

Best mouse I have ever owned.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...5210&CatId=539

I use a Logitech G5, it's not wireless, but after my last mouse I didn't want a wireless version anymore, Logitech G5 does everything what you need in games like GW, dunno if it's fast enough for shooters.

I wouldn't call it "poor", but I know what you mean. I haven't had my Fang long enough to say how reliable/durable it really is. It is made of plastic, it could be better, and I certainly wouldn't describe it as "professional" quality. But luckily, I'm not a professional. (It would be great if they made a "Pro" version though - precision-engineered and made out of metal).

And the price of the Fang is in line with what you get. It works for me, and I don't find the Fang any more flimsy than a regular keyboard. It's the design that wins for me. If it breaks, I'll be disappointed - but I'll probably buy another!

"Clicky" is good! I still have one of those indestructible clicky IBM keyboards from the eighties. Best keyboard EVAR. "Clicky" = "Positive feedback", you know for sure when you pressed a key. The Fang is nowhere near as good as that IBM keyboard, of course.

ROFLMAO... I hate keyboards or mice that sound like you are snapping trees in two when you type.

The Fang is a budget board at best and for a weekend gamer. Someone who just "plays" whatever it is they play. Those boards are not inherently bad, but yes they are cheap, and yes they are not precision gaming boards.

Luckily, the OP is hopefully getting the idea that you go Razer... or Logitech for precision... and lean towards Razer if you are into FP shooters. Razer is really geared towards games... Logitech caters to a graphics design and architectural fanbase... (with gamers as an afterthought). Go Razer or go home, IMHO.

For a mouse, I'm seriously looking at the Ideazon Reaper Edge.

I'd love to do a side by side comparison between the Deathadder and the Reaper Edge, but money being what it is....

The Logitech G5 is the only mouse allowed to be attached to my computer.

Be careful of ANYTHING from Razer. It will work wonderfully for awhile then just crap out. EVERYTHING I have bought from those noobs has done that. Keyboard, mice, and headphones. I might just be unlucky but they will never receive another dime from me.

I have been gaming since Pong... hehe... so I know a little bit about things (not to mention I work in IT... and know more than I want to about hardware).

I have owned the Razer Copperhead since it debuted... two years ago. The only problem I have had with it was during an upgrade from XP Pro to Vista Ultimate. I lost the function of its programmable keys. I just uninstalled the software, unplugged the mouse, installed the software, replugged the mouse in, and the mouse works fine. On the other hand, I have had this same problem with the G5. I seriously suggest you roll with either a Razer or a Logitech. They are both good peripheral makers... however... I am a hardcore gamer... I go Razer... call it preference.

Being left handed using a trackball is kinda tricky for myslef.
I use the razer diamondback 3G mouse. It was the perfect balance for me, not too big like some mice and not too small like the krait. The side buttons i now use to activate skill 1 and 2 (handy for monking or interrupting).

I was thinking of getting a zboard with the factions keyset but the buttons look clunky so i'll be aiming for a g15. that way i can just macro emotes to keys and get the same effect XD.

For a mouse though i'd definatly reccomend a razer product. A warning to all left-handed gamers though, Research gaming keyboards and especially mice thoroughly. I was set to get the razer gw edition mouse at first till i saw a top-view of it.

That's a shame, the thrustmaster is still working fine and its very old now prob 5 years plus.
Its been used pretty much every day for a whole range of games and hasnt failed yet.
Only reason for a change is lack of vista drivers.

The G15 looks to me to have a standard key setup, the great thing about the tacboard was the key positions.
You had 7 keys set up for your thumb to operate and a bank of 9 keys in a football shape surrounding the movement keys.
Brilliant design its almost worth dumping vista to be able to use it again.

I only hope the fang is as easy to get used too.