Favor of the gods issue/loss
Rocky Raccoon
Someone at ANET made a mistake and added time. They admitted the mistake and because it was seen as detrimental to some GW players we have this big fuss. If they had just taken those minutes away without explanation what type of outrage would we be reading now. Just let it go you still have 33098 minutes of favor left, I think that is more than enough.
pygar
They could have just made the adjustment and not announced it, y'all would have never known. They should just not tell people stuff like this anymore.... and the people with the over-blown "principles" should be spending their time on political forums debating the "principles" of issues that matter, like war, and starvation, and global warming, and the economy.... many people have far more to worry about in this world than losing a fractional amount of bonus points from a bonus weekend the makers of the game didn't have to even have to run in the first place.
Darksun
None of this is Gaile's fault, and I'll probably never make use of favor.
It's just odd to me that they would go out of the way to delete the favor, and not go out of the way to fix the ceiling reset numbers. It's just... strange.
Who said we don't? I try to reduce reuse & recycle, have a sponsor child, vote & pettion. I just play videogames too.
It's just odd to me that they would go out of the way to delete the favor, and not go out of the way to fix the ceiling reset numbers. It's just... strange.
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Originally Posted by pygar
and the people with the over-blown "principles" should be spending their time on political forums debating the "principles" of issues that matter, like war, and starvation, and global warming, and the economy.
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N1ghtstalker
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Originally Posted by Richardt
Alright, I need to stop you there. I can forgive bad grammer, but bad numbering?
7000k=7 million 7k= 7 thousand Almost 3 orders of magnitude difference there bro. |
k i'm bit confused cuz i got alot on my head
but there's a small entity for favor like with gold
unless i can say 7000 f for favor
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by pygar
They could have just made the adjustment and not announced it, y'all would have never known. They should just not tell people stuff like this anymore.... and the people with the over-blown "principles" should be spending their time on political forums debating the "principles" of issues that matter, like war, and starvation, and global warming, and the economy.
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Dont think so.
As for overblown principles, well, newsflash, there is nothing more wrong than ordinary people who stop caring about small injustices. Then it is just too easy to get more comfortable with bigger and bigger ones. AKA, Who are you to discuss big things if you dont care about small ones.
Also, from your usage of the word, you seem to have no idea what "principle" is. Look it up in dictionary.
The Way Out
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I can tell about 90% of the people here don't go to eight UW or FOW...
This doesn't affect people that don't go to UW or FOW, and because it doesn't affect them, they should keep the negative comments about the OP or anyone else who is affected by the favor, to themselves.
For the .01% of us who clear UW or FoW five to ten times a day... I am a bit pissed at it. People earned that favor (and I don't care how they earned it... wurm or not). I find it appalling that a counter was reset and 36,000+ hours were lost... and not added back in, however, a programmer adds an accidental 7k in and it is going to be removed. That is just bad on anet's part, and I am not an anet basher by any means.
Awful. This may not seem an issue now, but that is because most of us have gotten used to not having to wait around for favor to be gained. It is nice when you can map to ToA and see people there at all hours of the day.
I can tell about 90% of the people here don't go to eight UW or FOW...
This doesn't affect people that don't go to UW or FOW, and because it doesn't affect them, they should keep the negative comments about the OP or anyone else who is affected by the favor, to themselves.
For the .01% of us who clear UW or FoW five to ten times a day... I am a bit pissed at it. People earned that favor (and I don't care how they earned it... wurm or not). I find it appalling that a counter was reset and 36,000+ hours were lost... and not added back in, however, a programmer adds an accidental 7k in and it is going to be removed. That is just bad on anet's part, and I am not an anet basher by any means.
Awful. This may not seem an issue now, but that is because most of us have gotten used to not having to wait around for favor to be gained. It is nice when you can map to ToA and see people there at all hours of the day.
Gaile Gray
You know what? I see your point. (Well, except those of you who just have to make it in a nasty, personal, flame-y manner, of course. 
Seriously, I am your messenger! Please keep that in mind and stop the nonsense.)
On the topic at hand, I truly do understand what you're saying and will see if we want to take a look at this plan. Do keep in mind that it's not intended to have an "All Favor, all the time" situation. A ceiling or a cap doesn't seem an unreasonable element of the Favor system. But I understand what you are saying about the chain of events, and I will pass that along.
Seriously, I am your messenger! Please keep that in mind and stop the nonsense.)On the topic at hand, I truly do understand what you're saying and will see if we want to take a look at this plan. Do keep in mind that it's not intended to have an "All Favor, all the time" situation. A ceiling or a cap doesn't seem an unreasonable element of the Favor system. But I understand what you are saying about the chain of events, and I will pass that along.
BenjZee
lol I genuinley don't mind favour going ..after all theres plenty more where that came from. Also when i saw this on the last post on the forum main screen it didnt show the end of the sentance.
Lets play a game...complete the sentance
"Help, Gaile is stealing our..." lol just kidding. stay on topic
Lets play a game...complete the sentance
"Help, Gaile is stealing our..." lol just kidding. stay on topic
Shadowmoon
Thank you Gaile, I don't mind the lose of the 36k minute from the first error, I understand that it was unforseen, but the removal of the 7k seem like salts in the wound. Thank you again.
Pleikki
lol so what? you can use scrolls ^^ and blah i dont even have farmed Fow/uw for months.
God of Killing
And why are they not allowed to make it in a nasty, personal, flame-y way? Weeks ago they started a thread asking what happened to the favor the community earned, the only reply we got was that something went wrong and would be looked into. That was the last we heard on the matter until today when we find out that the amount we currently have is 7000 minutes too high, so they are reducing it, but nothing will be done about the missing 37k? How exactly were you expecting this to make people feel? "Oh yay, they care so much about us they will fix mistakes that help us, but never the ones that hurt us, yay!" Sorry, but after being told the Mini Polar Bear was not going to be added to Wintersday, then seeing it found, then weeks of silence on the missing favor issue, and now being told our favor count is going even lower, well honestly, it feels a hell of a lot like there is no real contact with ANet anymore. We can't trust what is told to us, and when we have issues, they get ignored.
Kook~NBK~
I agree with those who say "bad form." The game mechanics (that A-Net set up) allow for 3 minutes of favor to be added each time someone reaches a max title. Because of a programming issue, 12,334achievements (=37k minutes) will NOT be recognized & honored. A-net is well aware of this.
Leaving the 7K minutes on would have made up for less than 20% of the minutes lost. Leaving them in would have gone unnoticed (no one would have even known!) by the players and there wouldn't be any issue to discuss. So what if it was a programmer's error that added those 7k minutes? It was a programming error that lost the 37K minutes people had earned during the farming weekend in the first place.
I don't plan on taking advantage of favor any time soon, and have spent less than 1% of my playing time in FoW/UW, but the right thing would have been to lave them in and let things go.
Leaving the 7K minutes on would have made up for less than 20% of the minutes lost. Leaving them in would have gone unnoticed (no one would have even known!) by the players and there wouldn't be any issue to discuss. So what if it was a programmer's error that added those 7k minutes? It was a programming error that lost the 37K minutes people had earned during the farming weekend in the first place.
I don't plan on taking advantage of favor any time soon, and have spent less than 1% of my playing time in FoW/UW, but the right thing would have been to lave them in and let things go.
N1ghtstalker
i don't care about the favor
i go to the UW sometimes for farming ecto's but that's all
i don't care about the favor
no favor? i'll buy a scroll tyvm
kodash bazaar isn't far on my map travel
i go to the UW sometimes for farming ecto's but that's all
i don't care about the favor
no favor? i'll buy a scroll tyvm
kodash bazaar isn't far on my map travel
lyra_song
Give us a free favor weekend, Anet
Least you can do.
Least you can do.
N1ghtstalker
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
Give us a free favor weekend, Anet
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-start guild wars and log in
-type /favor
free favor while we got that much left...
great idea
and people are still getting titles maxed
this can go on for months of favor y'know
we won't run out of favor for the coming months
especially now since everyone is fanquishing like crazy
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker
k do this
-start guild wars and log in -type /favor free favor while we got that much left... great idea and people are still getting titles maxed this can go on for months of favor y'know we won't run out of favor for the coming months especially now since everyone is fanquishing like crazy |
+ no cost to enter.
Shadowmoon
time to get Legendary Vanquisher is much greater than getting both sunspear and lightbringer maxed, there will be no spikes this weekend. I believe alot of things lead up to the spike. The main is that many people were waiting for a double nf rep weekend before they wanted to max their title. Also seeing how it been around 9 month sence the last double lightbringer/sunspear alot of people took advantage of the weekend no matter what.
Also you could max both solely during a weekend event. No one can vanquish the 100+ zones in one weekend. i doubt there will be much spike this weekend.
Also you could max both solely during a weekend event. No one can vanquish the 100+ zones in one weekend. i doubt there will be much spike this weekend.
HawkofStorms
At least A.net gave us plenty of prior warning about this. Rather then just doing it, having people go nuts, AND THEN an explination being posted by Galie. So, that is commendable.
Still doesn't make sense they'd take away 7k given by accident, but not give back 32k taken away by accident. *shrug*
Still doesn't make sense they'd take away 7k given by accident, but not give back 32k taken away by accident. *shrug*
holababe
I agree that it doesn't really matter considering we have so much Favor atm.
But in principle Anet are idiots for doing this.
But in principle Anet are idiots for doing this.
Mr. Undisclosed
Really I've never been to UW or FoW but I find myself a little mad over this. SOme people continue to point out that theres plenty of favor, yet its not about the favor. Its about how anet handled the situation and truth be told they handled it poorly.
Aerian_Skybane
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Really I've never been to UW or FoW but I find myself a little mad over this. SOme people continue to point out that theres plenty of favor, yet its not about the favor. Its about how anet handled the situation and truth be told they handled it poorly.
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BUT:
You (general consensus of OP and agreed) keep saying they "handled it poorly" "they dropped the ball" etc.
How? How did they do that. I have yet to see any logic to that. So the limit was breached, and they made a mistake, while fixing it a simple mistake was made. Everything is honkey dorey, and principally (a word I see being thrown around with no real substance), they cared for it pretty well, informing the public of the mess up.
Saying nothing would have recieved this same response, if noticed at all (the 7000 accidental that is). But ANet took the ball, and decided to use it and not "drop" it or pass it off.
There was a mistake, ANet fixed it, and then explained it. Beyond whining, the only use for this thread is for acting as a politcal stepladder to lobby for the removal of the favor system alltogether. And if thats the case, you are using a pisspoor ladder at that.
So now you have my arguments of why you are wrong. Advise me on the HOW of yours?
Ravious
Thanks Gaile. I dont mind a cap at all, and if A.Net had said last weekend or whatever "you guys met our cap, if you want your accomplishment to add to favor you must wait until the minutes go below the cap." People would have griped, but it would have been fair.
Anyway, refer to my first post in this thread (maybe GWO) about how I know how often you go up to bat FOR US, and I really appreciate it.
Anyway, refer to my first post in this thread (maybe GWO) about how I know how often you go up to bat FOR US, and I really appreciate it.
kainmodious
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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane
Damnit, I tried really hard not to chime in with any reasonable logic..
BUT: You (general consensus of OP and agreed) keep saying they "handled it poorly" "they dropped the ball" etc. How? How did they do that. I have yet to see any logic to that. So the limit was breached, and they made a mistake, while fixing it a simple mistake was made. Everything is honkey dorey, and principally (a word I see being thrown around with no real substance), they cared for it pretty well, informing the public of the mess up. Saying nothing would have recieved this same response, if noticed at all (the 7000 accidental that is). But ANet took the ball, and decided to use it and not "drop" it or pass it off. There was a mistake, ANet fixed it, and then explained it. Beyond whining, the only use for this thread is for acting as a politcal stepladder to lobby for the removal of the favor system alltogether. And if thats the case, you are using a pisspoor ladder at that. So now you have my arguments of why you are wrong. Advise me on the HOW of yours? |
cant anyone say Good Job A.Net for finding the goof and fixing it?? is it really that hard to apreciate something that A.Net tries to fix?
I think Guru should make a whole seperate section for crying and whining, but oh wait thats all anyone every does on this forum anyways
Good Job A.Net and thanks for the fix.
Shanaeri Rynale
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
You know what? I see your point. (Well, except those of you who just have to make it in a nasty, personal, flame-y manner, of course.
Seriously, I am your messenger! Please keep that in mind and stop the nonsense.)On the topic at hand, I truly do understand what you're saying and will see if we want to take a look at this plan. Do keep in mind that it's not intended to have an "All Favor, all the time" situation. A ceiling or a cap doesn't seem an unreasonable element of the Favor system. But I understand what you are saying about the chain of events, and I will pass that along. |
Here is my humble suggestion, on how to resolve it.
1. Add on another 28K mins when this favor runs out.
2. Fix the bug to a cap of say 34K mins
3. Put in a message if the cap is hit to say so.
That way everyone knows where they stand, and a cap can be properly introduced to be in line with the original design.
Blu
I believe favor is capped at 34,999 atm (unless it was updated) I posted a thread about it a couple days ago but no body responded.
Shadowmoon
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So now you have my arguments of why you are wrong. Advise me on the HOW of yours?
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It was good that they did post it ahead of time in Gaile News. It is good that it seem that it never took effect, 33k still on the server. It also good that Gaile listened to our concerns.
The only mistake i can really see is that this topic lets poeple know what A-net CAN do. Before, people probably thought the main reason for the minute not being returned was because they didn't know if it could be altered. They really did open a can of worms.
It is sure as hell not being used as a political steping stone to remove favor system completely. Nice strawman you build there. Only mention of this is from flames and trolls. People who had concern only mentioned that taking favor for one error and not restoring for another seemed unfair.
Just because some people care about the favor system, how it work, and want it to work fairly doesn't mean their concerns shouldn't be heard.
kainmodious
but why start a whole crying session over a few mins? i hate it when people try to justify their crying over something as non-influential as favor mins and such.. as of right now we have way more than enough mins and whats a few more days of favor?
let me just say this if you are worried that you cant produce the amount of monies to make it into these areas without favor then maybe you should find someother place to farm till you can.
a.net did what they thought was reasonable for every one and we should be happy with that. if you are not happy and only worry about how this will affect you then maybe you should play something else.
let me just say this if you are worried that you cant produce the amount of monies to make it into these areas without favor then maybe you should find someother place to farm till you can.
a.net did what they thought was reasonable for every one and we should be happy with that. if you are not happy and only worry about how this will affect you then maybe you should play something else.
dread pirate fargus
when you say we are having favour stolen from us, you imply that people max titles for the sole reason of earning favor.
when i got LDoA twice, i sure didnt give a crap about the favor i gave the world. nor do i give a crap that the favor got reset. i have NEVER EVER needed to go to FoW and had to wait longer than about 20 minutes... long enough to farm a few mobs for some lockpick money.
if you ask me, reset it back to 0 minutes again, just to see people squirm.
when i got LDoA twice, i sure didnt give a crap about the favor i gave the world. nor do i give a crap that the favor got reset. i have NEVER EVER needed to go to FoW and had to wait longer than about 20 minutes... long enough to farm a few mobs for some lockpick money.
if you ask me, reset it back to 0 minutes again, just to see people squirm.
Rhedd
Yes, we have plenty of favor.
Yes, it doesn't matter much, anyway.
Yes, whining about it won't help.
Yes, nobody should really care.
BUT...
I certainly do see the OP's original point. Why go to all the trouble to do an update, write an announcement explaining it, and risk pissing people off (which they obviously did, regardless), all over a measly 7k points, when the actual accounting error is tens-of-thousands of points in the other direction?
Being that anal is just unattractive and stupid. (Honestly, the other word I'm looking for is "unfair", but we all know how "fair" life is, so I'll refrain.)
Everyone should let the subject rest, and that INCLUDES Anet.
Yes, it doesn't matter much, anyway.
Yes, whining about it won't help.
Yes, nobody should really care.
BUT...
I certainly do see the OP's original point. Why go to all the trouble to do an update, write an announcement explaining it, and risk pissing people off (which they obviously did, regardless), all over a measly 7k points, when the actual accounting error is tens-of-thousands of points in the other direction?
Being that anal is just unattractive and stupid. (Honestly, the other word I'm looking for is "unfair", but we all know how "fair" life is, so I'll refrain.)
Everyone should let the subject rest, and that INCLUDES Anet.
milan
Not particularly worried about the number of minutes we have, however I can see that the op and others have a point about Anet fixing the mistake that was made while fixing the mistake, but not fixing the original mistake. Kinda bass ackwards.
btw, Gaile stole my.... motivation.
btw, Gaile stole my.... motivation.
ValaOfTheFens
The favor system is an outmoded relic of the past that doesn't even affect most groups going into UW or FoW. Passage scrolls pretty much killed the need for favor.
Holly Herro
Everyone going "LyKE ZoMGG If U rLyy carEE AbOUT 30KKKK mINS of FAVAAA tHEn GtFFOO!!!"
It's not only that.
You get better drops in favor time.
So right now, we have 33,075 mins of better drop time.
So how about you people, GIIT OUUUUT!
It's not only that.
You get better drops in favor time.
So right now, we have 33,075 mins of better drop time.
So how about you people, GIIT OUUUUT!
arcanemacabre
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You get better drops in favor time.
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However, you do get blessings from the avatars. So, there's that.
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by kainmodious
but why start a whole crying session over a few mins? i hate it when people try to justify their crying over something as non-influential as favor mins and such.. as of right now we have way more than enough mins and whats a few more days of favor?
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The thing is, people are NOT QQing about this. They are just trying to discuss it. Anybody who wants to have an intellectual discussion about this is just getting flamed and called "whiney babies" even though Galie herself posted saying there are some valid points to these discussions.
Every one just stop trolling to +1 your post count.
N1ghtstalker
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free favor as in...as in...its always on
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well 1k is pocketchange to me but hey if i can run all the time for free in the UW and score some ecto's yea sure why not
Rhedd
At first, I thought this was just bad public relations, and a severely anal thing for ANet to do, with no benefit whatsoever, but then I thought about it.
I mean, every minute that we have favor is taking money directly out of ANet's pocke... Wait.
My mistake. It's just stupid.
I mean, every minute that we have favor is taking money directly out of ANet's pocke... Wait.
My mistake. It's just stupid.
The Little Viking
My question for the day is this: "Why put a limit on what (time) can be earned to begin with?"
Seems like to me, thats just poor planning.
Granted who whould have thought that that much time could be stored up, but its just resonable (in my way of thinking) to "be prepared for the unexpected"
Seems like to me, thats just poor planning.
Granted who whould have thought that that much time could be stored up, but its just resonable (in my way of thinking) to "be prepared for the unexpected"
Avarre
What's the point of favor anyways, it's clear that ANet doesn't really know what to do with it.
Just remove it, it doesn't even affect the game anymore.
Just remove it, it doesn't even affect the game anymore.
Rocky Raccoon
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At first, I thought this was just bad public relations, and a severely anal thing for ANet to do, with no benefit whatsoever, but then I thought about it.
I mean, every minute that we have favor is taking money directly out of ANet's pocke... Wait. My mistake. It's just stupid. |
Kamatsu
Please keep it to a civil discussion. No flames, no insults and no personal attacks on any other poster's or ANet/NCSoft staff, thank you.