And if it is possible, which builds ?
ty
Sin in slavers ?
Speed Arthas
Ok the questions is, can Assassins do Slaviers ?
And if it is possible, which builds ?
ty
And if it is possible, which builds ?
ty
Whiskeyjack
Any class can do slavers. As for builds mobius/death blossom is probably your best bet.
Angra
What he said. I'd consider critical defenses and critical agility.
Adriaanz#Shiro
No group will accept us. I feel left alone by Anet.
Sins won't get accepted in any HM farm group, except Ursanway.
~Shiro.
Sins won't get accepted in any HM farm group, except Ursanway.
~Shiro.
Covah
so then start your own group or do ursanway
Siirius Black
All depends in your ability. Believe it or not. I have done slayers with a Sin as the tank.
Velise_Snowtorm
No reason a sin can't do it. My sin will be finishing EotN soon, which will include doing all the dungeons. I've already done Slavers just fine as a Mesmer.
It's the fact you want to join PuGs, who use very basic cookie cutter teams, that prevents you from going. Round up some friends/allies/guildies and do a run. Good guilds work with what they have and improvise their teams.
It's the fact you want to join PuGs, who use very basic cookie cutter teams, that prevents you from going. Round up some friends/allies/guildies and do a run. Good guilds work with what they have and improvise their teams.
Adriaanz#Shiro
Okay, let's finish the discussion about not getting accepted in a group and post specific builds.
I posted a stance sin somewhere else,
using Gladiator's Defense with high-tactics.
Any opinions?
~Shiro
I posted a stance sin somewhere else,
using Gladiator's Defense with high-tactics.
Any opinions?
~Shiro
Sir Pandra Pierva
it works but personally with Pug sin just really wont work since most pugs really can't work well in Slavers
Speed Arthas
Well this 1 could be good in there;
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/any_PvE_Assaulter
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/any_PvE_Assaulter
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by Speed Arthas
Well this 1 could be good in there;
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/any_PvE_Assaulter MS + DB beats that.
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/any_PvE_Assaulter MS + DB beats that.
Marverick
If you try to tank, then there is even less of a chance that a PuG will let you in. Play to your strengths; 'Sins are there to kill stuff in PvE, leave tanking to the stupid warriors.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Marverick
leave tanking to the stupid teams that have never heard of passive defense or protection prayers
Fix'd.
damn 12 char limit
damn 12 char limit
Mark Nevermiss
Crit Defences/Agility is not the definite answer to every question. Do not try to tank with that or you will get owned. You will be faced with:
a- Heavy disenchantment.
b- Massive spell damage, especially at Forge and Selve.
c- Spammable unblockable attacks.
d- Touchers.
No group will take you as damage dealer and I doubt people will join you if you start a PUG in such capacity. I doubt any monk will wont to have you wade into monster backline and:
a- Get potentially 2 shot.
b- Cause aggro leak that will make monsters attack other squishy party members.
c- You will most likely get hit with Faintheartedness + Insidious Parasite and Maybe SS + Reckless Haste too.
Everything may sound good on paper but in reality it is not. Your best bet would probably be to H/H or maybe find an UB group if your rank in Norn is high enough, which wont be easy either.
I am NOT categorically denying that other setups than the currently common one may make it, but out of 100% of the times Duncan got killed 98.5% probably were obsi+nuker+monk+necro+any/FS.
a- Heavy disenchantment.
b- Massive spell damage, especially at Forge and Selve.
c- Spammable unblockable attacks.
d- Touchers.
No group will take you as damage dealer and I doubt people will join you if you start a PUG in such capacity. I doubt any monk will wont to have you wade into monster backline and:
a- Get potentially 2 shot.
b- Cause aggro leak that will make monsters attack other squishy party members.
c- You will most likely get hit with Faintheartedness + Insidious Parasite and Maybe SS + Reckless Haste too.
Everything may sound good on paper but in reality it is not. Your best bet would probably be to H/H or maybe find an UB group if your rank in Norn is high enough, which wont be easy either.
I am NOT categorically denying that other setups than the currently common one may make it, but out of 100% of the times Duncan got killed 98.5% probably were obsi+nuker+monk+necro+any/FS.
Bowstring Badass
Any option other then PuG sounds good.
Reapers Prophecy
Erm how about a/r? Ranger still sin.
arsie
Do it with friends and heroes. Some bits are really hard though.
Mark Nevermiss
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Originally Posted by Reapers Prophecy
Erm how about a/r? Ranger still sin.
People may take you as a crit barrager with FS but only if they cannot find a R/Rt or Rt/R or even E/R, sometimes. The reasons are:
a- Splinter + barrage does significantly more damage than crit-barraging.
b- You lack other useful skills from the Rit profession such as Gaze of Fury.
Still if you insist on doing SE on your sin with a PUG then try to market yourself as a crit barrager with FS. I once took such sin over a R/Rt but mainly because I felt for the guy, having a sin myself and understanding what its like to be one. We did Duncan in HM that time and he finished his SE. He maintained FS and Symbiosis [whenever needed] and that was mainly what we required him to do.
Good luck!
a- Splinter + barrage does significantly more damage than crit-barraging.
b- You lack other useful skills from the Rit profession such as Gaze of Fury.
Still if you insist on doing SE on your sin with a PUG then try to market yourself as a crit barrager with FS. I once took such sin over a R/Rt but mainly because I felt for the guy, having a sin myself and understanding what its like to be one. We did Duncan in HM that time and he finished his SE. He maintained FS and Symbiosis [whenever needed] and that was mainly what we required him to do.
Good luck!
Konig Des Todes
As mentioned before, any profession can do slavers, I've only gone in with my sin so far, been using Golden Fox Strike+Wild Strike+Death Blosson+Moebius Strike+Critical Defenses+Crical Agility+either a heal or vanguard assassin support or Swap*swap only for duncan, to help out SV necro*
As people have mentioned, sins seem to not be wanted as much, although I agree with that, sins are great profession, nice armor ignoring damage and can last a bit alone. Personally, I'd take a sin with a decent build over any war anyday.
As people have mentioned, sins seem to not be wanted as much, although I agree with that, sins are great profession, nice armor ignoring damage and can last a bit alone. Personally, I'd take a sin with a decent build over any war anyday.
ACreator
there is the way Iv done it.
Permashadow form and still bonds from bonder + symbiosis
with permashadowform, u will do more than a normal tank cuz u almost never take dmg and casters loose enrgy while trying to cast spells at you.
the bonds are for any PbAoE dmg and to help gain more HP through symbiosis to counter the touchers.
The problem is well of profane (u will die here like 99% of PUG tanks) and u gotta be realy carefull with disenchant spirits...
also bad timing can kill ya..
the build is something like:
Shadowform
deadly paradox´
Archane echo
Channeling
feignet neutrality (to more HP and cover enchant)
FREE
FREE
FREE
Permashadow form and still bonds from bonder + symbiosis
with permashadowform, u will do more than a normal tank cuz u almost never take dmg and casters loose enrgy while trying to cast spells at you.
the bonds are for any PbAoE dmg and to help gain more HP through symbiosis to counter the touchers.
The problem is well of profane (u will die here like 99% of PUG tanks) and u gotta be realy carefull with disenchant spirits...
also bad timing can kill ya..
the build is something like:
Shadowform
deadly paradox´
Archane echo
Channeling
feignet neutrality (to more HP and cover enchant)
FREE
FREE
FREE
Magikarp
Quote:
Originally Posted by ACreator
there is the way Iv done it.
Permashadow form and still bonds from bonder + symbiosis
with permashadowform, u will do more than a normal tank cuz u almost never take dmg and casters loose enrgy while trying to cast spells at you.
the bonds are for any PbAoE dmg and to help gain more HP through symbiosis to counter the touchers.
The problem is well of profane (u will die here like 99% of PUG tanks) and u gotta be realy carefull with disenchant spirits...
also bad timing can kill ya..
the build is something like:
Shadowform
deadly paradox´
Archane echo
Channeling
feignet neutrality (to more HP and cover enchant)
FREE
FREE
FREE
HM monsters have almost endless energy, so idk what your "tank" will do as far as that goes...
as far as "tanking" at all... no
and as far as "tanking" with a sin... double no.
Permashadow form and still bonds from bonder + symbiosis
with permashadowform, u will do more than a normal tank cuz u almost never take dmg and casters loose enrgy while trying to cast spells at you.
the bonds are for any PbAoE dmg and to help gain more HP through symbiosis to counter the touchers.
The problem is well of profane (u will die here like 99% of PUG tanks) and u gotta be realy carefull with disenchant spirits...
also bad timing can kill ya..
the build is something like:
Shadowform
deadly paradox´
Archane echo
Channeling
feignet neutrality (to more HP and cover enchant)
FREE
FREE
FREE
HM monsters have almost endless energy, so idk what your "tank" will do as far as that goes...
as far as "tanking" at all... no
and as far as "tanking" with a sin... double no.
ZeAliX
your best shot to do slaver's is with friends, but.. I found a way to duo forgewight.. and it seems to be faster than the normal way.. tell me if your interested in the build 
Gambit Shinobi
Yes, Sins can do SE... and be quite effective if played well.
No, you won't get PUG groups because of retards and ignorance.
When I do SE, I'm on guard duty most of the time. Meaning, I kill anything and everything asap if they get past the Obsidian tank and start aggroing mages/"squishies." For Forgewight, I go Crit. Barrage with Pain Inverter.
No, you won't get PUG groups because of retards and ignorance.
When I do SE, I'm on guard duty most of the time. Meaning, I kill anything and everything asap if they get past the Obsidian tank and start aggroing mages/"squishies." For Forgewight, I go Crit. Barrage with Pain Inverter.
skakid9090
hay doods herd splinter + MS/DB rapes mobs
Cathode_Reborn
When our guild does it, we run an Orders nec with lots of phys damage (especially para's).
About 95% of the time I'd say just use MS/DB but this is one of those rare occasions where Shattering assault is good in pve. When a target gets prot'd up, we switch to another fast and continue till they're all dead (no FS needed). If we had a sin spamming Shattering assault, I imagine things would be tons easier as the Stone summit prot monks are usually the only thing keeping 'em alive. If a group does have a priest (healing guy), they're usually stupid enough to run up to their wars to use Healing touch, and often die for it.
I used a similar setup to hench it on my Para, but "Save yourselves" was a huge help when dealing with the Warders. "SY" never leaves my sin's bar either. Had 2 para heroes running Cruel spear when I did it but Expel hexes/Song of purifition would've been much better.
About 95% of the time I'd say just use MS/DB but this is one of those rare occasions where Shattering assault is good in pve. When a target gets prot'd up, we switch to another fast and continue till they're all dead (no FS needed). If we had a sin spamming Shattering assault, I imagine things would be tons easier as the Stone summit prot monks are usually the only thing keeping 'em alive. If a group does have a priest (healing guy), they're usually stupid enough to run up to their wars to use Healing touch, and often die for it.
I used a similar setup to hench it on my Para, but "Save yourselves" was a huge help when dealing with the Warders. "SY" never leaves my sin's bar either. Had 2 para heroes running Cruel spear when I did it but Expel hexes/Song of purifition would've been much better.
=DNC=Trucker
Make friends with a monk. If the monk starts the group and you have a decent build you can go
ACreator
@magikarp
belive it or not sins can tank.
If u are one of those NONbelivers then search for the screens where a SIN tanked DOA..
belive it or not sins can tank.
If u are one of those NONbelivers then search for the screens where a SIN tanked DOA..
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by ACreator
@magikarp
belive it or not sins can tank.
If u are one of those NONbelivers then search for the screens where a SIN tanked DOA.. he said tanking is stupid (and it is)
he said that draining caster energy wont work in HM where monsters have energy regeneration you can only dream of (also true)
no one cares if you can tank a buhzillion mobs. its not that hard.
read and know what your talking about before posting
gg
belive it or not sins can tank.
If u are one of those NONbelivers then search for the screens where a SIN tanked DOA.. he said tanking is stupid (and it is)
he said that draining caster energy wont work in HM where monsters have energy regeneration you can only dream of (also true)
no one cares if you can tank a buhzillion mobs. its not that hard.
read and know what your talking about before posting
gg
RadaArashi
Any class can tank, it's not new. Some classes are just naturally efficient at it while the other classes have to work a bit or a lot harder to achieve similar results.
As for the OP's question, you can take your assassin anywhere, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, it is just a matter of adapting and knowing your role. Remember that you're a midline character.
Meaning that you can go assist the warrior with damage, trample the enemy warriors that are running to your backlines or go shut-down that caster spiking/nuking your group.
Now for the obvious question that will surely pop out: Why not play a Ranger or a Mesmer instead since they also do the role? The answer is also obvious: Cause we like the assassin profession. IMO its the most fun and enjoyable class to play.
Anyways, there's lots of builds are there. Aside the Dagger builds there's also Deadly Arts, Spear/Scythe with Way of the Master, etc. I haven't been to Slaver's Exile so I can't give much tips in that other than understanding what positioning is.
EDIT: Critical Barrage is just eww.
As for the OP's question, you can take your assassin anywhere, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, it is just a matter of adapting and knowing your role. Remember that you're a midline character.
Meaning that you can go assist the warrior with damage, trample the enemy warriors that are running to your backlines or go shut-down that caster spiking/nuking your group.
Now for the obvious question that will surely pop out: Why not play a Ranger or a Mesmer instead since they also do the role? The answer is also obvious: Cause we like the assassin profession. IMO its the most fun and enjoyable class to play.
Anyways, there's lots of builds are there. Aside the Dagger builds there's also Deadly Arts, Spear/Scythe with Way of the Master, etc. I haven't been to Slaver's Exile so I can't give much tips in that other than understanding what positioning is.
EDIT: Critical Barrage is just eww.
Torabo
For those of you that managed to take a Sin with H/H through slavers, what heroes and henchies did you use?
I can't seem to kill the Justiciar Thommis, I have absolutely no problem with the mobs before it, using Frozen soil in addition to the standard DB+Mobieus, but I can't seem to do anything about the Justicar's mob (is it even possible to separate that mob?)
Tried sab's 3 necro + Cynn Herta Mehnlo and Lina, but no dice... any suggestions?
Can't seem to find anything on the Justiciar except that he should be the easiest... am I doing something wrong?
I can't seem to kill the Justiciar Thommis, I have absolutely no problem with the mobs before it, using Frozen soil in addition to the standard DB+Mobieus, but I can't seem to do anything about the Justicar's mob (is it even possible to separate that mob?)
Tried sab's 3 necro + Cynn Herta Mehnlo and Lina, but no dice... any suggestions?
Can't seem to find anything on the Justiciar except that he should be the easiest... am I doing something wrong?
ACreator
@Coloneh
I can see u speak without testing..
Imagine HM eles have 150energy.. imagine they regen 3.3energy per sec...
In 10 seconds they can try to use almost all spells they have draining energy to near 0 (if u dont belive test!!!) After that its true they can cast agains u.... the problem is that take some 5 secs between casts, so they cant be perma casting heavy hitting spells like before... belive it or not... that takes a lot of pressure from your monks when tanking goes wrong...
and note.... tanking is not stupid.... belive it or not and although I dont like it, u DO need it im some areas of the game
I can see u speak without testing..
Imagine HM eles have 150energy.. imagine they regen 3.3energy per sec...
In 10 seconds they can try to use almost all spells they have draining energy to near 0 (if u dont belive test!!!) After that its true they can cast agains u.... the problem is that take some 5 secs between casts, so they cant be perma casting heavy hitting spells like before... belive it or not... that takes a lot of pressure from your monks when tanking goes wrong...
and note.... tanking is not stupid.... belive it or not and although I dont like it, u DO need it im some areas of the game
Coloneh
Quote:
Originally Posted by ACreator
In 10 seconds they can try to use almost all spells they have draining energy to near 0 (if u dont belive test!!!) After that its true they can cast agains u.... the problem is that take some 5 secs between casts, so they cant be perma casting heavy hitting spells like before... belive it or not... that takes a lot of pressure from your monks when tanking goes wrong...
and note.... tanking is not stupid.... belive it or not and although I dont like it, u DO need it im some areas of the game no.... HM monsters have rediculous energy regen, i would gues somewhere closer to 15 energy per second
and tanking is stupid and NOT tanking with a good team does better in every area of the game (if u dont belive test!!!)
and note.... tanking is not stupid.... belive it or not and although I dont like it, u DO need it im some areas of the game no.... HM monsters have rediculous energy regen, i would gues somewhere closer to 15 energy per second
and tanking is stupid and NOT tanking with a good team does better in every area of the game (if u dont belive test!!!)
Shiing!
Just believe in yourself 
I have Obsi Tanked Slavers quite a few times successfully.
If you get to Umbral, just spam that you're a tank and hope to get accepted. I always did it with either friends or being the leader of a party.
Timing is key
I have Obsi Tanked Slavers quite a few times successfully. If you get to Umbral, just spam that you're a tank and hope to get accepted. I always did it with either friends or being the leader of a party.
Timing is key
itsvictor
Two Sins "tanking" (lol your monks should have the prot prayers..soa ftw) with SY on each of them works quite well actually...
RavagerOfDreams
my guild takes a sin/ranger with swap and frozen soil to manage spirits and prevent rezzing, this is for the Duncan part only though. However my guild trusts me enough to let me come during the other parts 
and like what gambit and a few others said your not gunna get in a pug but who needs pugs :P
and like what gambit and a few others said your not gunna get in a pug but who needs pugs :P