Paragorn Offensive character?

Nor

Nor

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

none yet :X

Me/N

i was wondering if the paragorn could be used as an offensive character primary than a support character for your party (mainly for pve) cause i wanted to try this new character but i always find alot of joy in killing everything around :P , so following this category of paragorn what would you suggest and for secondary what could be nice for offensive lots of damage ;3 char?can it be elementalist , warrior ,assasin ;p?

Akolo

Akolo

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

V??xj??, Sweden

Stop Stealing [agro]

Mo/

well cruel spear.. para/W with FGJ... para arent often used entirely for dmg

Bobby2

Bobby2

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Join Date: Jun 2007

Delayed in order to meet ANet's high standards

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I love spear damage. No big fan of Cruel, even though it is very good, since Para's have many other juicy ways of inflicting DW - IMO Merciless is just almost just as viable since it'll mostly be spike assisting anyway. The downside (?) is that Speargons tend to grab Stunning Strike as their Elite, forcing them into anti-caster focus.

Paragons really need more (Spear) Elites.

EDIT: Big fan of [skill]focused anger[/skill] - and - [skill]crippling anthem[/skill]

Lishy

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

While it may be hard to notice spear damage, in reality they have have more min dmg than the sword and only 1 point lower in max damage than an axe.They are ranged,fast flying as a shortbow, and attack rate is as fast as sword.

Heres a guide to an offensive paragon and skills to think about using:

Paragons, like rits, are a mix of support and offense. A Save yourselfs/There's nothing to fear/Anthem of Weakness spear chucker is a really good recommendation as a support/offense hybrid because as it is, you can make a big impact on reducing the damage but at the same time, you can keep up your offensive goodness with skills you usually don't have enough slots to add in.
I also recommend aggressive refrain since it VASTLY helps you recharge save yourselfs and -20 armor isn't that bad for a paragon since you have BOTH a shield and 80 total armor.Aggressive Refrain can be kept up infinitely by spamming anthem of weakness.

Vicious Spear isn't worth it when you have a better skill like Slayer's Spear which has very good damage,deep wound duration, and recharge time.The catch?All you need is less hp than your enemy.Okay, think about it.Your a PARAGON!You are NOT targeted a lot from enemy ai due to base armor and your RANGED.This allows you to lower your max hp as an ADVANTAGE rather than disadvantage.I usually have +2 spear mastery,+2+1 Leadership,+1 command,+1 motivation which brings me to about 455 hp(Without a +30 hp shield)), however, this is me.YOU can decide how much hp you like.However, I like to leeroy things when playing with hench so I am safe with 455 hp.

Lightning spear is another skill you will consider.Good dmg,"okay" recharge, low cost, it pwns..It also has lightning damage.Use it in an area were lightning damage is strong or for enemy's with a lot of defense.

Next is Spear of Fury.It is a STAPLE in paragon builds!!Good dmg,low energy cost,gives you points in adrenaline,fair recharge time(For the effect) DAMN this rocks!!

Last but not least, there are many skills in eye of the north title skills that will just plain help you out.However, you can only have 3 pve only skills,so if your plannign to ditch spear of fury, for en skills, make sure it benefits the build as much ;3 My suggestions are:
I am the strongest will last forever until you do 4...8 attacks, meaning you can continuously keep up echo's.By Ural's Hammer is also a good choice to help with your damage and since you have the range of a spear, you are usually close to the whole team, meaning it is quite easy to use because most allies are within earshot.One of the Asura summons are also good because they help with dmg and count as allies affected by shouts,therefor giving you more energy from leadership.Great Dwarf weapon can just plain help with damage.Ebon battle standards are also useful.

You can also go ursanway, but ursanway is kind of boring and limited.

Its YOUR choice to decide what you want, but you got the basic concept

Conclusion:
Paragons are overpowered but due to misconceptions, they are unnoticed.

Bobby2

Bobby2

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Join Date: Jun 2007

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I consider the 3 PvE skill slots taken by Spear of Fury, SY! and TNTF!. If it's just PvE we're talking about

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kain Fz
Next is Spear of Fury.It is a STAPLE in paragon builds!!Good dmg,low energy cost,gives you points in adrenaline,fair recharge time(For the effect) DAMN this rocks!! Spear of Fury is decent enough if you don't have access to the PvE skills offered in the expansion. I would hardly consider it a staple.

Oblivious Moose

Oblivious Moose

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Sinister Swarm [Sin]

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perfer dark fury on a hero over spear of fury hands down.

Nor

Nor

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

none yet :X

Me/N

omg kain fz you just have inspired me to make a paragon thx ;3

Ensign

Ensign

Just Plain Fluffy

Join Date: Dec 2004

Berkeley, CA

Idiot Savants

Yes, you have permission to throw that spear they gave you in the tutorial at people, despite what you might have heard to the contrary. You can put points into Spear Mastery too, which makes you do more damage when throwing your spear at people.

Teh [prefession]-zorz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

wisconsin

Spiders Lair Kurz [SpL]

W/A

Para spike anyone? :P

Lishy

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Teh [prefession]-zorz
Para spike anyone? :P Kinda.
They aren't a crit scythe sin,dealing over 100 dmg each hit on level 20+ enemys, but paragon's still have decent damage for a offensive/support hybrid.I remember dealing around 65 dmg to level 20 charr with mighty throw.

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kain Fz
Kinda.
They aren't a crit scythe sin,dealing over 100 dmg each hit on level 20+ enemys, but paragon's still have decent damage for a offensive/support hybrid.I remember dealing around 65 dmg to level 20 charr with mighty throw. Mighty Throw is slow and kills your rate of adrenaline gain. You can auto-attack twice in the time it takes for one Mighty Throw.

Terraban

Terraban

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kain Fz
Kinda.
They aren't a crit scythe sin,dealing over 100 dmg each hit on level 20+ enemys, but paragon's still have decent damage for a offensive/support hybrid.I remember dealing around 65 dmg to level 20 charr with mighty throw. I remember hitting Zoldark the Unholy for around 135 with [skill=text]Cruel Spear[/skill]

NecroticChanter

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

Toronto

Real Eyes Realize Real Lies[Tree]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Next is Spear of Fury.It is a STAPLE in paragon builds!!Good dmg,low energy cost,gives you points in adrenaline,fair recharge time(For the effect) DAMN this rocks!! He's right...Spear of Fury is one of the most powerful PvE skills i think. At r12 Kurz/Lux it does +40 dmg...and like gives 6 adrenaline...MY GOd...+40 dmg.....

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kain Fz
And guys, Aggresive refrain+Mighty Throw=How to it properly.
With Aggressive (which is what I'm assuming anyway since every paragon should use Aggressive Refrain) or not, it's still has that ugly delay. Slower adrenaline gain and basically no extra damage compared to auto-attacking.

Quote: Originally Posted by NecroticChanter
He's right...Spear of Fury is one of the most powerful PvE skills i think. At r12 Kurz/Lux it does +40 dmg...and like gives 6 adrenaline...MY GOd...+40 dmg..... Well my problem is this. Save Yourselves! gives +100 AL and practically has 100% uptime with as little as rank 3 in Kurzick or Luxon with Focused Anger. There's Nothing To Fear! is an equal defensive beast with 35% reduction and a 60 point party wide heal. Then there is Ebon Battle Standard of Honor. At max rank, which is much easier than grinding out 10,000,000 faction, it gives everything standing inside it +15 damage on everything for 20 seconds with a 20 second recharge. There is no room on my paragon's bar for Spear of Fury and there never will be.

Axel Zinfandel

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

P/W

Ebon Standard of Honor is certainly a skill I see in a lot of builds instead of Spear of Fury. Although Spear of Fury is really good, believe it or not the adrenaline gained through this skill is not missed, and damage is better over time with Standard of Honor as well.

Mighty Throw is way too slow to use even with an IAS, and the damage isn't worth it when you can attack twice in the time it took you to use that one skill.

Personally, I made a nice full offensive build that is /Rt. IT can be found here;
http://gw.gamependium.com/tools/builds/show/3996

It's nice if you find the typical SY/TINTF builds getting dull. It's not too hard to come up with an offensive paragon build, but I use my warrior for spear builds for the most part.

Lishy

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
No, he means packing your bar with crap from Motivation and Command and running 0 Spear Mastery. The spear is just about the most overpowered weapon in the game capable of incredible DPS with little input, not using it on a Para is retarded. And it just so happens PuGs are retards.
*ahem* I shall just copy+paste something from my other thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kain Fz
While it may be hard to notice spear damage, in reality they have have more min dmg than the sword and only 1 point lower in max damage than an axe.They are ranged,fast flying as a shortbow, and attack rate is as fast as sword.Therefor making

Avatar Exico

Avatar Exico

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Way to Cold at Home:Illnois and School:Iowa.

We Trip Hard On [AcID]

N/

The Sticky would give you all you know if you want to become Offensive Paragon instead of Defensive. Read the whole thing, it will tell you everything about paragons and how to perfect one.

odly

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

N/

Kain,

According to wiki :

Sword attack speed = 1.33 sec.
Spear attack speed = 1.5 sec

Darkside

Darkside

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

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Do both at the same time... protect your team with chants and do damage with your spear. You don't have to choose one or the other and doing so would be fail.

erfweiss

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Cold Black Eyes

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oblivious Moose
perfer dark fury on a hero over spear of fury hands down. Seeing how Spear of Fury is a PvE skill and can't be put on a hero.....

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

What the hell is a paragorn?

Lishy

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by odly
Kain,

According to wiki :

Sword attack speed = 1.33 sec.
Spear attack speed = 1.5 sec Ah.Thanks for correcting me.Its just what I heard, but I guess I was wrong.Thanks for clearing it up.

Terraban

Terraban

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
What the hell is a paragorn? Aragorn the Paragon

Or a Paragon with an Aragorn secondary.

Kagome

Kagome

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

Missouri

R/A

What's Aragorn?

And I like Barbed Spear... o.o;

neoflame

neoflame

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by erfweiss
Seeing how Spear of Fury is a PvE skill and can't be put on a hero..... So obviously he means he prefers putting Dark Fury on a hero bar to putting Spear of Fury on his own? (I run both, but only because I don't have EotN => EBS/Honor.)

Richardt

Richardt

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagome

And I like Barbed Spear... o.o; Most of the offensive hero paragon builds I use use barbed spear....unless I'm in a spirit/MM heavy area then it's Holy Spear. I find it to be a cheap way to inflict bleeding.

Just wish holy spear did holy damage all the time

Shaz

Shaz

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Richardt
Most of the offensive hero paragon builds I use use barbed spear....unless I'm in a spirit/MM heavy area then it's Holy Spear. I find it to be a cheap way to inflict bleeding.

Just wish holy spear did holy damage all the time If Barbed Spear has +damage I would use it. But as it is, things die too quickly for bleeding to matter.