Multiprocessor support??
awmiscool
I have two quad cores, and recently ive had gw lock up my whole pc. I heard someone say that chaning it to run off of one single core was the solution. It was. But there isnt a specific download or something Anet has released for the.. higher performace users? Cuz right now id rather trade it in for some crappy AMD duel core..
The Way Out
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Originally Posted by awmiscool
I have two quad cores, and recently ive had gw lock up my whole pc. I heard someone say that chaning it to run off of one single core was the solution. It was. But there isnt a specific download or something Anet has released for the.. higher performace users? Cuz right now id rather trade it in for some crappy AMD duel core..
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I don't know what to say to this?
No, there is no multi-core support for GW... and there won't be any.
Question... why spend that kind of money on a system?
MrBeefy
how do you do that?
Richardt
No there isn't any download that you can use for multiple physical procs. As I understand, most games nowadays are coded to take advantage of multicore processing, but not for have 2 seperate physical processors.
However, GW should work just fine on a single multicore proc. Soooooo I'm not sure why you would want to run it on 2 quad cores TBH. Just seems like you're wanting to fire off a nuke just to get rid of an anthill.
However, GW should work just fine on a single multicore proc. Soooooo I'm not sure why you would want to run it on 2 quad cores TBH. Just seems like you're wanting to fire off a nuke just to get rid of an anthill.
lynnae
serious question i have is why two quad cores, and which ones are you running?
gaming wise, the benchmarks for the new phenom AM2+ chipsets were lagging behind top of the line dual cores when tested on graphic intensive games. (if I had the article to hand I'd cite it). I haven't seen the benchmarks for the Intel chips however.
just curious what you're doing that needs that processing power and what kind of video cards you have installed and how.
gaming wise, the benchmarks for the new phenom AM2+ chipsets were lagging behind top of the line dual cores when tested on graphic intensive games. (if I had the article to hand I'd cite it). I haven't seen the benchmarks for the Intel chips however.
just curious what you're doing that needs that processing power and what kind of video cards you have installed and how.
awmiscool
Well,first off, i use it for running basicly everything at max. But, 3 years down the road, dual cores wont be decent anymore. And ill still be able to keep up with alot of the games. But i didnt buy the pc for gw, just ended up playing it cuz its the best mmorpg out atm. until gw2 i guess ill have to wait for something along the lines..
Fern Burntfist
i have two quad cores? wtf..
awmiscool
oh
Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5355 (2.66GHz, 2 X 4MB L2,1333)
Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5355 (2.66GHz, 2 X 4MB L2,1333)
awmiscool
times two :P
lynnae
well, tbh, I don't find troubleshooting processors terribly easy (too much math and 01101010100010101's). Have you ruled everything else out? Bad memory, hard disk gone south, (and though it sounds crazy) that your power cables haven't had a wire come loose?
only locking up ever on GW? Have you tried a reinstall? For it to start recently and not have happened at the offset I find suspicious, I'd assume that it's not that it's having trouble running on your system (that would be one crappy chip design, can't run easy programs, now wouldn't it be?) but that something has changed somewhere.
only locking up ever on GW? Have you tried a reinstall? For it to start recently and not have happened at the offset I find suspicious, I'd assume that it's not that it's having trouble running on your system (that would be one crappy chip design, can't run easy programs, now wouldn't it be?) but that something has changed somewhere.
Nanood
I remember when i bought my first dual core system. Thought, sweet, now i'll be faster than everyone else.. Well, if I had of been designing on cad I probably would be. But since I was playing games I was slower than everyone with a high end single core and that sucked.
If you have the cash for a system like that go get a high end single core setup so you can play games like other... high end users
There are other threads relating to dual core systems and problems.. Have a look around.
If you have the cash for a system like that go get a high end single core setup so you can play games like other... high end users
There are other threads relating to dual core systems and problems.. Have a look around.
awmiscool
Umm.. eeew no. I know what the problem is exactly. the game itself tries to run using all 8 cores, and its not setup to do that. Trust me, no single core can run crysis..
END OF THREAD. seeing is there isnt a multi core patch. lock pls
END OF THREAD. seeing is there isnt a multi core patch. lock pls
shouravd
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oh
Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5355 (2.66GHz, 2 X 4MB L2,1333) |
BTW That's not 2 Quad Core's. All that means is that you have 2 L2 cache's 4MB for core pair. Look it up.
I Dont Do Coke
Intel and AMD are crapping out processors with more cores than the software industry is willing to keep up with. Guild Wars doesn't need a Skulltrail equipped with two Core 2 Extremes on it.
No single core can run Crysis? How about a single-cored diamond processor? Or something that we all know, the Cell BE. The PS3's Cell has only one core, but it can do more calculations in a given time than most dual-core processors and even some quads out today. The issue with not running Crysis at maximum is graphics cards, not CPUs.
No single core can run Crysis? How about a single-cored diamond processor? Or something that we all know, the Cell BE. The PS3's Cell has only one core, but it can do more calculations in a given time than most dual-core processors and even some quads out today. The issue with not running Crysis at maximum is graphics cards, not CPUs.
isamu kurosawa
Not tried simply setting the apps affinity to a single core?
There are many programs online you can use that run in the background forcing apps on a single core of your choice if you can't be bothered doing it manually.
There are many programs online you can use that run in the background forcing apps on a single core of your choice if you can't be bothered doing it manually.
hurdlebeast
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well, tbh, I don't find troubleshooting processors terribly easy (too much math and 54549's). Have you ruled everything else out? Bad memory, hard disk gone south, (and though it sounds crazy) that your power cables haven't had a wire come loose?
only locking up ever on GW? Have you tried a reinstall? For it to start recently and not have happened at the offset I find suspicious, I'd assume that it's not that it's having trouble running on your system (that would be one crappy chip design, can't run easy programs, now wouldn't it be?) but that something has changed somewhere. |
Numa Pompilius
GW runs just fine on multicore, at least under XP pro.
I'm guessing you're having overheating issues; maybe you need to dial back on the overclocking a notch.
I'm guessing you're having overheating issues; maybe you need to dial back on the overclocking a notch.
Tachyon
It doesn't under XP Home though, I have to set affinity to a single core before playing. Otherwise I get the dreaded freeze up with sound loop and have to hard-reboot.
Yet still, even though countless people report the exact same problem and remedy, ANet refuse to admit the problem exists.
Yet still, even though countless people report the exact same problem and remedy, ANet refuse to admit the problem exists.
gremlin
I am running GW on a quad core and it's fine, I believe the "quad core lockup problem" is a myth.
Ive been running GW, Two Worlds, EVo2 and Raven Shield on my system for weeks now with no lockups whatsoever.
Computers are complicated and every one is different, I believe the lockups have another cause.
So far the only problems on my system seem to be related to running some of my favourite utilities under vista.
Ive been running GW, Two Worlds, EVo2 and Raven Shield on my system for weeks now with no lockups whatsoever.
Computers are complicated and every one is different, I believe the lockups have another cause.
So far the only problems on my system seem to be related to running some of my favourite utilities under vista.
Tachyon
No, it's not a myth at all! There's been loads of people on this site alone all with the exact same crash which was rectified by setting the affinty to a single core.
Guild Wars is the only game to suffer from this, well for me anyhow. No other game or application on my system crashes or cause problems at all. My system is hand built by me and extremely stable.
Guild Wars is the only game to suffer from this, well for me anyhow. No other game or application on my system crashes or cause problems at all. My system is hand built by me and extremely stable.
Josh
What motherboard do you have? Are you sure you have "two" Quad-Core processors (meaning 8-cores, octo?).. Not just 1 Quad Core?
I don't know many motherboards that support multi-Intel C2Q processors...
I don't know many motherboards that support multi-Intel C2Q processors...
Numa Pompilius
Wait a second - XP home doesn't support more than one CPU, so how are you running it with two quadcore CPU's?
Musei Karasu
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Wait a second - XP home doesn't support more than one CPU, so how are you running it with two quadcore CPU's?
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oh and I Dont Do Coke, I'll pair my two quad cores against any single core CPU you'd like. If two heads are better than one, what are the odds of one head being better than eight, even if that one head is Dr. Hawkings. I've done extensive research on it. Granted I haven't got a clue what awmiscool is doing because I had my motherboard personally built for me.
awmiscool
okay.. seeing this is still up and running. I have two intel xeon quad cores. Not the 2x 4mb l2 cache. the guy asked what CPU i was using, and i gave that to him.
heres my screenie of my pc cpu specs..
trust me, ive spent months deciding to get dual quads over a singe quad and dual 8800's.
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/382/desktopxz0.jpg
oh crap lol ignore the ppls xfires lol
heres my screenie of my pc cpu specs..
trust me, ive spent months deciding to get dual quads over a singe quad and dual 8800's.
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/382/desktopxz0.jpg
oh crap lol ignore the ppls xfires lol
Narada
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heres my screenie of my pc cpu specs..
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/382/desktopxz0.jpg |
I Dont Do Coke
Blah blah blah blah. This is why I got a C2D E6850 over a C2Q Q6600. Q6600 can throw a better punch, but today's software isn't designed for four cores.
@23: you probably missed my point, but it's possible for a processor with only one core to do more FLOPS than one with multiple cores.
@23: you probably missed my point, but it's possible for a processor with only one core to do more FLOPS than one with multiple cores.
Aera
So, any chance of support for C2Q or C2D coming? It'd be nice... 
Tachyon
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Quaker
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Originally Posted by gremlin
I am running GW on a quad core and it's fine, I believe the "quad core lockup problem" is a myth.
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It's probably a combination of many factors including the motherboard chipset, the video card (& drivers), the sound "card" (& drivers), the buss speed, RAM size/speed, etc., etc., etc. But it does happen, and using a utility like ForceCore to make GW run in only one core does cure it.... most of the time.
It worked for me. After several months of upgrading hardware and software and reinstalling and tweaking, ForceCore did the trick. Recently, I've been using TexMod to do the Cartography titles. When I run Texmod, GW doesn't use ForceCore - maybe I could set it up to do that, but I don't - anyway, the occasional lock-up reminds me to use ForceCore when I'm not mapping.
gremlin
Ok It seems the quad core problem isnt a myth, it just sounded an unlikely occurence.
It would be interesting to see if it happens more to people who have upgraded their machines to quads than to purpose built quad core machines.
I am running a vista sidebar gadget showing quad core activity during gameplay to see if gw is using all the cores or not.
So far activity seems to happen mainly on one core with less activity on the others.
Roughly this was shown as 13% 67% 39% 20%
Whether this is commonly how multicore processors work I don't really know im just curious.
I shall read up on multi cores and see if they devote single cores to each task or all the cores work together.
Love a good problem though.
It would be interesting to see if it happens more to people who have upgraded their machines to quads than to purpose built quad core machines.
I am running a vista sidebar gadget showing quad core activity during gameplay to see if gw is using all the cores or not.
So far activity seems to happen mainly on one core with less activity on the others.
Roughly this was shown as 13% 67% 39% 20%
Whether this is commonly how multicore processors work I don't really know im just curious.
I shall read up on multi cores and see if they devote single cores to each task or all the cores work together.
Love a good problem though.
hurdlebeast
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XP home will support dual as I seem to recall, dunno about anything larger though. I run a pair of quadcores but I have yet to have any issues with it in GW or any other game for that matter.
oh and I Dont Do Coke, I'll pair my two quad cores against any single core CPU you'd like. If two heads are better than one, what are the odds of one head being better than eight, even if that one head is Dr. Hawkings. I've done extensive research on it. Granted I haven't got a clue what awmiscool is doing because I had my motherboard personally built for me. |
and quad cores don't give you massive gains over dual core, neither do octo over quad:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,127726/article.html
Numa Pompilius
No, XP Home does not support dual processors.
"For dual–processor computers, you'll need to purchase Windows XP Professional instead of Home Edition to enable the second processor to work."
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...ovember26.mspx
If you're running Win XP home you're currently wasting one of your processors.
"For dual–processor computers, you'll need to purchase Windows XP Professional instead of Home Edition to enable the second processor to work."
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...ovember26.mspx
If you're running Win XP home you're currently wasting one of your processors.
Tachyon
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No, XP Home does not support dual processors.
"For dual–processor computers, you'll need to purchase Windows XP Professional instead of Home Edition to enable the second processor to work." http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...ovember26.mspx If you're running Win XP home you're currently wasting one of your processors. |
Numa Pompilius
dualcore != dual cpu.
hurdlebeast
dual core is a single chip with two processors on the actual chip (two dies one chip)
Dual processor is two physical processor chips, each with it's own slot on the motherboard. they can both be dual core, or quad core, so two dual core processors on one mother board= four processor cores.(irrelevant point)
xp supports dual CORE processors, not dual PROCESSORS. hope this clears things up a bit.
Dual processor is two physical processor chips, each with it's own slot on the motherboard. they can both be dual core, or quad core, so two dual core processors on one mother board= four processor cores.(irrelevant point)
xp supports dual CORE processors, not dual PROCESSORS. hope this clears things up a bit.
Tachyon
Don't bother, it's me having tired eyes after a bloody long day at work. I didn't read the above post correctly.
The Way Out
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dualcore != dual cpu.
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lynnae
okay, dual cores (quad cores, whatever, multiple processors, one big piece of silicon) share lvl 2 cache but not lvl 1 yes?
The Way Out
No, they both have their own caches. dual core is literally two processors cast on the same dye. They both have their own cache controllers. However, saying that they are two cpus is incorrect in a technical sense. Very stupid, but still true.
Anyway, this doesn't matter... this thread has served it's purpose.
Anyway, this doesn't matter... this thread has served it's purpose.
moriz
and the OP is using two physical processors (dual processors), each with four cores (quad cores). there's a pretty important difference there, since apparently, XP home cannot support two physical processors.