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LicensedLuny

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05 Feb 2008 at 22:38 - 1

EDIT
Answer (at least a plausible answer) found. Thanks to Minime The Shadow and mr_stealth both for pointing out how this glitch happens. But please do feel free to continue answering w/out reading the question or the previous posts, though. It's cracking me up.

I know the cap on the number of minions you could have at once is linked to death magic now, and the max players can have with 16 death magic is 10 minions.

I was playing through the Ice Caves of Sorrow mission with H/H the other day and noticed my MM hero had 12 minions. He had them for a few minutes while we ran around fighting. I think they just died off on their own. I haven't seen him with more than 10 minions since then.

I wasn't using any of those pve-only attribute boosters. The hero didn't even have a +1 death magic mod on his weapon. It's my understanding that those mods are only active while using skills/spells anyway, and they still won't let you carry more than 10 minions at a time.

I've seen his minion count jump to 11 or 12 for a few ms before, while he raised fresh ones and existing ones died off. I've never noticed him being able to maintain 12 before.

Anyone know why that might happen? Anyone seen the same thing?

No big deal, just curious.

Thanks,
Luny

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05 Feb 2008 at 22:39 - 2

Nope the cap for MM is 10 Minions

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05 Feb 2008 at 22:40 - 3

Yes, it happens when one is raised but the 11th quickly is destroyed.

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05 Feb 2008 at 22:46 - 4

The minion cap is 10 for any character or hero, regardless of you Death Magic level.

When you saw it jump to 11 for a split second he had created a minion while having 10 under his control, one minion quickly died and brought the count back to 10.

When you saw it just to 12 for a split second he used the skill "Animate Bone Minions" which will raise 2 minions at a time. This raised it to 12 but 2 minions died quickly bringing the count back to 10.

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05 Feb 2008 at 22:49 - 5

We've all seen 11 or 12 flash up briefly (depending on minion spell) but Luny is saying the MM hero was maintaining 12 for a matter of minutes.

That being the case, no, we haven't seen that and it's very weird

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05 Feb 2008 at 22:50 - 6

yep totally
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05 Feb 2008 at 22:52 - 7

and the 1 or 2 that die are the ones with the least amount of health

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05 Feb 2008 at 22:55 - 8

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i don't even know what figs are

(o/t) Don't research that too much. It will lead you to the latin fica, and in that direction leads madness.

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05 Feb 2008 at 23:07 - 9

The cap sucks and a lot of people quit the game because of it. It took all the fun out of being a necro. There used to be mass armies of 30-40 minions and it was insanely fun. Now it's near useless.

LicensedLuny

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05 Feb 2008 at 23:07 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snograt

We've all seen 11 or 12 flash up briefly (depending on minion spell) but Luny is saying the MM hero was maintaining 12 for a matter of minutes.

That being the case, no, we haven't seen that and it's very weird

Thanks for reading Snograt

Ok, so maybe it was just a fluke. It happened early in the mission (HM,) where you go on the ice, kill the OoB necro boss, fire the siege weapon to start the yak movie. After the cutscene was when I noticed the 12 minions. I ran about in circles a bit, looked at them, chatting with friends on vent about how weird that was, etc. They hung around as we jogged over to the next fight. But then we were fighting the first group of mantle on the hill and lost some minions. I never saw him with more than 10 minions again.

I was having occasional rubberband lag that day but not while this was going on. And the whole team with the 12 minions was able to move around to different places on the map, cast spells and such. So I don't think it was a case of a screen freeze right at the split second while he was raising some.

:EDIT: Screenshot or it didn't happen, right?

There's the screenie I took. Sorry I didn't think to take a better shot of it.

You can count the health bars of minions and spirits. There's 13, including one behind the chat window (one is Livia's spirit, not a minion.)

Notice that we have 10% MB (from the cutscene,) and we've killed the OoB boss (notes of what he dropped in chat.) The picture is taken when we're off the ice and heading back up to cross the bridge.

Also notice that Olias hasn't just casted his single minion raising spell because it's not recharging.

I'm not crazy, right?

(well, at least it's not getting worse.)

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05 Feb 2008 at 23:19 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by LicensedLuny

kill the OoB necro boss, fire the siege weapon to start the yak movie. After the cutscene was when I noticed the 12 minions.

sounds to me like a rare occurance happened, where your mm raised bone minions just as the cut-scene started,

thus maybe not killing the minions that should have died, as the new ones come up a milisecond or two, (not counted :P) before the old ones die, hence numbers jumping to 12 for short periods.

Then this would have allowed your mm to maintain the 12 minions due to an error, but when he came to raising the next lot it applied the usual rules.

Im not an expert thats for sure, but seems the most logical explanation

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05 Feb 2008 at 23:19 - 12

I had something similar happen a few days ago in Dunes of Despair, right after the cutscene at the mesmer boss/gate into the temple area. My nec hero had 9 minions and was casting animate bone minions right as the cutscene triggered. The cutscene didn't break his cast, and after it he was controlling 11 minions for at least 10 seconds before one of them died. The one that died didn't die to the usual insta-kill that happens when you break the minion limit, it degened to death normally after the fight.

stretchs

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05 Feb 2008 at 23:21 - 13

Actually the max minions is determined by your death magic rank, if you are able to raise your rank more than 16, via things like cupcakes et al, I dont see why you wouldnt be able to raise more than 10 minos as i dont believe it is a hard limit, it is just at 16, the max is 10 minions

LicensedLuny

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05 Feb 2008 at 23:25 - 14

Whoo! Minime The Shadow and mr_stealth, thank you both! That makes perfect sense, as I noticed this after the yak cutscene. He must've raised them as we started the movie.

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05 Feb 2008 at 23:38 - 15

would a death +1 weapon explain it? i know you can get higher level minions with one, but does it up the max number you can raise?

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05 Feb 2008 at 23:41 - 16

had 11 for a bit (longer than one dieing) but think it was due to the +1 on my weapons....but thats been the max I have ever had. (and no I didnt take a screen shot of it, so believe or not)

quickmonty

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05 Feb 2008 at 23:53 - 17

You don't have to count the minions. Just look under Olias's name and it shows 12 minions.

If it lasted more than a second or two it was probably a glitch. Your death magic would have to be 18 for 11 minions and 20 to mantain 12 minions.

Did you feed anything to Olias, or maybe give him a couple of +1 death mods?

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Death_Magic

stretchs

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05 Feb 2008 at 23:59 - 18

I believe with consumables getting to 18 is possible, outside of that, I think only 19 is attainable with the +1 death, but even then, I thought it was just +1 when casting not a continued att boost.

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06 Feb 2008 at 00:09 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarun

The cap sucks and a lot of people quit the game because of it. It took all the fun out of being a necro. There used to be mass armies of 30-40 minions and it was insanely fun. Now it's near useless.

Insane hyperbole ftl....
Minionmasters still have one of the greatest DPS in the game, and the minions are still hugely useful as a flesh wall. In short, they're still among the best builds in the game.

Anyway, yeah, the number of minions is tied to Death Magic level, and you need to get it to level 18 to have 11 minions (technically possible, with a +1 offhand and a Necromancer of Grenth blessing), but 12 minions, which would require Death Magic 20, seems unlikely...

So, probably some sort of glitch.

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06 Feb 2008 at 00:11 - 20

He already said he didn't have any consumables or a +1 death magic mod on his weapons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LicensedLuny

I wasn't using any of those pve-only attribute boosters. The hero didn't even have a +1 death magic mod on his weapon.

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06 Feb 2008 at 00:59 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarun

The cap sucks and a lot of people quit the game because of it. It took all the fun out of being a necro. There used to be mass armies of 30-40 minions and it was insanely fun. Now it's near useless.

Useless? That's a damn lie.

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06 Feb 2008 at 12:20 - 22

ya, the cap of 10 was one of the dumbest things, anet could do... and even when making a cap of max 1 Minion per Rank would have been best then , so having r16 would mean, that the MM can have max 16 Minions, but only 10 is total shit and killed the whole fun factor of being a MM

quickmonty

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06 Feb 2008 at 13:37 - 23

Someone posts a question and now a couple of you are going to turn this into a "they nerfed minions" rage/QQ thread?

........ and it's always the same ones

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06 Feb 2008 at 14:55 - 24

Another possible explanation to this is that after rasing 2 minions with the summon spell the 2 that were bumped off by the limit cap both had jagged bones cast on them bringing 2 more minions up. This may have allowed the cap to be exceded as they might not count as a sumoning and trigger the cap deletion of minions.

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06 Feb 2008 at 15:27 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickmonty

Someone posts a question and now a couple of you are going to turn this into a "they nerfed minions" rage/QQ thread?

........ and it's always the same ones

No, they won't.