rollerbeetle racing- now luck rather than skill

roflcopter ownage

roflcopter ownage

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Now rollerbeetle racing is gonna be based on luck more than skill. Before if someone got echo and super 10-15 seconds before me, i could still win becuase I knew HOW TO USE THEM. The reason the top players are good is not because they just camped boxes, but because they know how to use them. Most box campers are not very good. Now people that aren't very good can beat the best racers just because they got lucky and got a super, while the better player didn't.

Also, although this doens't apply to most people, I will not have any defense against people that kd me jsut because of my high scores. Before I was usually able to still win, but now it will be nearly impossible.

stretchs

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A skilled player is still going to win more often than the clueless player, less QQ more playing k plox

Maximumraver

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Yeah... i don't really care, the GW engine shouldn't be used for racing, i just doesn't work.

Windstriker

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So you reply with about the exact same reply in the other thread and thought the need to make an entire new thread? That mini-game has always been about luck and a bit of skill when to use your power-ups (just like Mario Kart ). I don't see the problem other then they stopped those box campers and made matches more break neck but we'll have to see.

MithranArkanere

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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No, now it's 25% luck, and the rest skill.
If you are lucky you may get all super bettles, but that's not likely to happen.
Now it's how it should have been.

JeniM

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Join Date: May 2007

W/E

OMGZ THEY GOTZ TEH BEST POWAUP FROM DA CR8, ANETZ IZ SCREWIN MEH

There skill and theres luck, as stated if your a better player, gratz you'll win a higher %, but you'll never win 100% thats just life

Eldin

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The whole reason the boxes are there is for some random luck influence on the game.

Box camping doesn't always work. I personally can still rank in second or third vs box campers, sometimes if I'm lucky they won't get Super Rollerbeetle until I'm near the end legitimately and I still win.

Just play the normal way and you'll be loved (until the box campers call you a hacker).

moose_rider

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LoL beetle racing is serious business. Anyways I think its much better this way I'm tired of the box campers coming back from last to steal my wins. Plus the game is pretty terrible anyways on a GW engine.

Im Using The Force

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Funny how one of the worse box campers is posting about an adjustment that should have been made before the 1st event. Now all we need is Dragou to come here and voice his opinion.Least we wont see the same 4 people with 15 top 100 times this festival.Camping boxes didnt involve skill ...It involved knowledge.Knowledge of how to abuse the system for your own advantage. Huge difference.

Dylananimus

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Aren't things like Rollerbeetle racing meant to be about fun?? O_O

Just go and have fun in there, no need to stress, it's only a festival game

Malice Black

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Win mini, sell mini. Only reason most people play.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by roflcopter ownage
Now rollerbeetle racing is gonna be based on luck more than skill. Before if someone got echo and super 10-15 seconds before me...
That's a very big IF, you've thrown in there. Couple that with the "before" as you did, and you're admitting that winning in rollerbeetle racing has always depended a lot on luck. (What if you DIDN'T get echo & super?)

If you're truely skilled at racing, then you'll know how to use whatever power-ups you may get to the best advantage. And you'll figure out how to best play the game under the new "rules."

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

As soon as I heard of "racing!1!" in GW I lol'd.

Antheus

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylananimus
Aren't things like Rollerbeetle racing meant to be about fun?? O_O
Dear lord, noooo!

Rollerbeetle racing is serious business.

FeroxC

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Meh, this time round i need to learn how to play it properly and get good, I need to top up my gamer.

roflcopter ownage

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E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malice Black
Win mini, sell mini. Only reason most people play.
Btw I never got a mini roller, I wasn't on the top during the first event. It's about pride for me. It's awsome being #1 at something.

Malice Black

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Join Date: Oct 2005

Never played, never intend to.

Just another reason why this game is heading down the shitter. Mini-games belong in RPG's.

Next they'll be adding fishing, and RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO houses. Bet who can shoot first, Ron Jeremy or the GW nerd! S/B 10k!

quickmonty

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Next they'll be adding fishing
Ohhhh! Can't wait to use my req 8 enchanted fishing rod of automatic casting (20% chance of faster casts when health is over 50%)

Antithesis

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Let me get this straight...you're complaining because now the racing is fair, requires a little luck, a lot more skill and less cheating, thus allowing more people the opportunity to win a race and enjoy the event?

mk...

kratimas

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
No, now it's 25% luck, and the rest skill.
If you are lucky you may get all super bettles, but that's not likely to happen.
Now it's how it should have been.
/Agree

This is the way it sould have always been.

If you are lucky you will get something good, not just setting on an ever spawning box until you get it.

Krat

MarlinBackna

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Wtf?....
Seriously, even box camping was luck. At one of the many events were the Races ran, I did a couple of races with one of the top 100 guys, and of course he box-camped. However, if he didn't get echo then SRB, he would quit. Just outright quit, because he knew he couldn't win. Because of luck.

This race always was determined by luck. Some skill, yes, but that skill isn't going to get you into the top 100. Luck will.

Divinus Stella

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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Fishing in Zelda was awesome, i think id prefer it over racing :P

The only reason people are taking the racing seriously is the mini, without the mini it would just be like the dragon arena.

Im not sure how the ladder will look, but i do know that the times will be a lot more about ping than before, especially with the really bad rubber banding being boosted by event lag.

Shayne Hawke

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Think of it this way: without the boxes, what would you do? You wouldn't stop moving. Box camping allows you to sit on the box until you get exactly what you want that can eventually power you from last place to first.

It's a broken concept, and although I've exploited it enough times to get easy Gamer Points, I'm glad it's fixed.

Ekelon

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It Has Always Been Luck.

Killed u man

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekelon
It Has Always Been Luck.
QFT

I always loved it when someone ends first, and then brags about it...

I mean, like it is the "skill" that got him his Arcane Echo - Superrollerbeetle.

There is SOME skill involved, but it's 80% Luck (Random, I know )

You CAN'T control what you get. You CAN'T control lagg. You CAN'T control enemy players screwing you over...

You can control a few things however. Putting a shield up in time, using speed buff at good times...

HawkofStorms

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Camping boxes = skill?
ROFLMAO

/me goes back to playing PvP

Melody Cross

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Quote:
Originally Posted by roflcopter ownage
Now rollerbeetle racing is gonna be based on luck more than skill. Before if someone got echo and super 10-15 seconds before me, i could still win becuase I knew HOW TO USE THEM. The reason the top players are good is not because they just camped boxes, but because they know how to use them. Most box campers are not very good. Now people that aren't very good can beat the best racers just because they got lucky and got a super, while the better player didn't.

Also, although this doesn't apply to most people, I will not have any defense against people that kd me jsut because of my high scores. Before I was usually able to still win, but now it will be nearly impossible.
The reason the top players were on top (for a large percentage of them) was because they went into International Districts and sync-loaded together, controlling the game. Those that weren't on their team faced a solid wall of organized shutdown while the pre-chosen victor flew through unopposed. A measure of those high times came down to luck with the boxes and (of course; a requirement for winning) player skill. But much of the score times people drooled to achieve came from good old fashioned sync-load exploit at non-peek times to prevent gatecrashers.

Thats how many--most?--of the best times were gotten in RB racing year 1. So...please. Less with the drama. We're not that "other" forum; we know how this stuff works.

GGs

roflcopter ownage

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MarlinBackna
Wtf?....
Seriously, even box camping was luck. At one of the many events were the Races ran, I did a couple of races with one of the top 100 guys, and of course he box-camped. However, if he didn't get echo then SRB, he would quit. Just outright quit, because he knew he couldn't win. Because of luck.

This race always was determined by luck. Some skill, yes, but that skill isn't going to get you into the top 100. Luck will.
Not all the high scorers quit like that. I don't, because I know that even if it takes me 20 seconds to get teh super and echo, i will probably still win.

roflcopter ownage

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Melody Cross
The reason the top players were on top (for a large percentage of them) was because they went into International Districts and sync-loaded together, controlling the game. Those that weren't on their team faced a solid wall of organized shutdown while the pre-chosen victor flew through unopposed. A measure of those high times came down to luck with the boxes and (of course; a requirement for winning) player skill. But much of the score times people drooled to achieve came from good old fashioned sync-load exploit at non-peek times to prevent gatecrashers.

Thats how many--most?--of the best times were gotten in RB racing year 1. So...please. Less with the drama. We're not that "other" forum; we know how this stuff works.

GGs
This is defnitely not true. I know most of the other top high scorers, and none of us sync in. We just know how to race. Syncing in does not help at all really. If you need to sync in, you obivously don't even know how to get a top score anyways.

roflcopter ownage

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Killed u man
QFT

I always loved it when someone ends first, and then brags about it...

I mean, like it is the "skill" that got him his Arcane Echo - Superrollerbeetle.

There is SOME skill involved, but it's 80% Luck (Random, I know )

You CAN'T control what you get. You CAN'T control lagg. You CAN'T control enemy players screwing you over...

You can control a few things however. Putting a shield up in time, using speed buff at good times...
I agree that getting the high score IS luck. However, an average racer with the same luck as me would not get on the high scores. Even with bad luck, i usually still win the race.

Full Metal X

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Quote:
Originally Posted by roflcopter ownage
This is defnitely not true. I know most of the other top high scorers, and none of us sync in. We just know how to race. Syncing in does not help at all really. If you need to sync in, you obivously don't even know how to get a top score anyways.
Pro tip: You're wrong, i remember vividly a 100+ page thread last year about people QQing because they found out 90% of the top people all synced in and cheated.

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Originally Posted by Full Metal X
Pro tip: You're wrong, i remember vividly a 100+ page thread last year about people QQing because they found out 90% of the top people all synced in and cheated.
That is obviously a rumour, or just used by a few people. Syncing does not even help you much at all. I do not sync, and ive ranced the other top racers in races several times, so obviously they don't sync either. The only advantage I could see to syncing would be to make sure you don't get kded in the begining, which, by the time you acutually sync in with ur team, would be not it. And btw, you race people in american districts when playing in international. ]

If anyone was acutually able to get a high score THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO SYNC. The people that sync are the ones who acutally think it will help them get on the high scores.

Full Metal X

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Quote:
Originally Posted by roflcopter ownage
That is obviously a rumour, or just used by a few people. Syncing does not even help you much at all. I do not sync, and ive ranced the other top racers in races several times, so obviously they don't sync either. The only advantage I could see to syncing would be to make sure you don't get kded in the begining, which, by the time you acutually sync in with ur team, would be not it. And btw, you race people in american districts when playing in international.
Pro tip: Still wrong, they would all synch in and if someone who wasn't suppose to be there was there the others who weeren't going for their time would all body block the guy so he couldnt interfer then the guy was free to get a good time.

Im Using The Force

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Get over it man.
It was long overdue.

roflcopter ownage

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E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Full Metal X
Pro tip: Still wrong, they would all synch in and if someone who wasn't suppose to be there was there the others who weeren't going for their time would all body block the guy so he couldnt interfer then the guy was free to get a good time.
Like I said before, you acutally ened skill to get a high score. EVen if you had no one kding you, it doesn't mean your going to get a high score. Syncing in does not help very much in getting a high score. Like I said before, if you know how to get a high score, syncing is basicly pointless.

Skyy High

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Quote:
Originally Posted by roflcopter ownage
Like I said before, you acutally ened skill to get a high score. EVen if you had no one kding you, it doesn't mean your going to get a high score. Syncing in does not help very much in getting a high score. Like I said before, if you know how to get a high score, syncing is basicly pointless.
No KDs from synched players + luck + knowing where to use the echo rollerbeetle = top score. The only thing in that equation you could argue as being "skill" is knowing when to use the rollerbeetle, but that's just learning it and doing it. Here's the irony: If you have to think too much about what you're doing (read: anything requiring actual skill), you're doing too much other stuff and not enough super roller-beetleing to get a top score.

Now maybe the top 100 will be more of a crapshoot that boils down to who gets the lucky 5 roller beetles in a row, but for everyone else, the game is now more about skillful racing, and less about desperately racing for the finish before the box camper finds his combo >_>

??Ripskin

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So is the roller beetle racing up yet?

Uber Mass

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retired from gw [agro] still ftw

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So is the roller beetle racing up yet?
Patience is a virtue

About 8.5 hrs to go

Ontopic:

Good thing they killed boxcamping.. More competative now

Red Sonya

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by roflcopter ownage
Now rollerbeetle racing is gonna be based on luck more than skill. Before if someone got echo and super 10-15 seconds before me, i could still win becuase I knew HOW TO USE THEM. The reason the top players are good is not because they just camped boxes, but because they know how to use them. Most box campers are not very good. Now people that aren't very good can beat the best racers just because they got lucky and got a super, while the better player didn't.

Also, although this doens't apply to most people, I will not have any defense against people that kd me jsut because of my high scores. Before I was usually able to still win, but now it will be nearly impossible.
QQ QQQQ QQ QQQQ

Never seen so much crying over such silly things. QQ boo hoo surely yah mommy is somewhere close go QQ to her she's the only one who might care.

Estic

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They should have left box camping possible in the game, but made the report function useable for leavers and campers.

I would have loved the threads popping up then.