Where did all that $$$ come from? And where did it go

do you not get the point of the difference in GW and WoW or are you just playing devils advocate because you have nothing better to do than to sit at your computer and make snide comments at people?

yes, WoW has more players, and good for them. theyre game appeals to more people, but not everyone wants that same style. just because they have more players doesnt mean that the game is better for every person that doesn't play it. thats where Guild Wars comes in. it offers a different playing style, equipment ability, etc. thats why people want Guild Wars to stay the same, and not to be come wow. if you want to become wow, gtfo

Yep. And we're now waiting for Satans evil spawn, Drop Nerf, to appear in the thread, followed by confused wailing about wholly unfair bans of totally innocent people for absolutely no reason whatsoever, srsly.
If we're really lucky we may even see an appearance of the new star players, Ursan Blessing and Dishonor Hex, in this thread!

I played Lineage for years, Dep server, got a level 50 elf and level 50 royal, level 49 dark elf and nooby pk mage. Did it all without cheating, then gave up because cheating and hacking are so common place now that everyone couldn't believe I didnt cheat (what, not even a light hack? Surely you use a sprite hack or auto-escape? zzz) Lineage 1 in the US is abandonware.

/threadsteal off

That is very true, that's where much money gets left behind. Fortunately, I stick around to pick up the drops.

alot of people that have stacks of ectos took advantage of when the Ectos crash and alot of the ones did this didn't get the rollback so they got to keep all the ectos they brought for 100g ea, and same with the Arms Dup some didnt get found out they had shit load of Arms they didnt tell anyone about theirs. So they get to keep those Arms. Things like this can make you millions easy with no problems, but it all luck and dont tell anyone when these events happen.

My money? Originally came from MMing Sorrow's Furnace for b/p groups, solo troll and minos. When the AI was nerfed, I moved to Dragon Mosses. I farmed ToPK 1-4 times daily and made half of my cash for my necro's FoW armor from there, along with FoW and UW runs.

Then I moved to DoA 3-man farms. Now, I do full DOA runs whenever I have 2-3 hours free from RL stuff, I solo farm UW and Halcyon Job when I'm bored of it, CoF with guildies...

All it takes to make cash is time, a goal and dedication.

Back to original topic, Where did all the gold in the game come from? When your born you have no money over the period of your life you find, work or cheat other people for money. Same way with the game. As to this being your second thread today and seeing a few posts of duping now and you being in the cause of them, leads to believe this is just another stupid thread for someone who's looking for attention. Its funny you know of duping, you had the time and memory to make a thread of it cuz you knew it was a sensitive topic and an exploit of the game if it indeed is true, but you didnt have the common sense to screenshot, report, or check trade partners. Top it off any dupers that are more then likely still in the game would be 10 times smarter then that to just be bragging about it. So my breakdown on 2 threads is just a lamer looking for attention. Pls Close =D

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gold didnt come from duping...duping ambraces was a fairly new issue, while people having tons of gold is an old one.
i remember when i started playing GW, week after it came out, i hear people people bragging having stacks of ectos... if you would look in the "post your awesome weapons part 1" you would see that very early in the game, people already had stacks...how? idk, it still baffles me till today...

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I used to take all the mountain troll tusks from my 55 runs up there, and run down to the collector and turn them all into swords worth 125 gold each,then re sell to the merchant, soon mounts up.

It depends also if you fall victim to the goldsinks in the games , ie lockpicks, personally i sell all lockpicks i drop, almost guaranteed 1250 gold per
pick.
I dont consider myself super rich by any standards , but i am well off enough to not want for anything in game,
But i got all mine the hard way lol, farming and trading,

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And why do people respond to Red Sonya still?

It's funny how quickly people forget (or new players come along who never experienced it) about the popularity of the 55 Monk, since loot scaling and skill balancing came into effect.

Sure, you can still run a 55, but there was a huge chunk of time in GW history that the 55 was the be all and end all of mountainous money making.

It was also the bane of our existence, with droves of 55 farming bots crowding the desert.

Viva La 55, La 55 est mort? Nah, Viva La Adaptation.

After 2+ years of playing, it's still a major task to get up the money for ONE PIECE of 15k armor...so far I have 1 1/2 sets, using six character slots (three for tyria, three for elona).

Then again, I've never been to FoW, UW, or DoA...just recently ascended ONE character with whom I've been able to finish all the South Shiverpeaks missions.


I have TWO max weapons, neither of which are greens. The only greens I've gotten are the crappy one from Plains of Jarin, and Khepkhet's Refuge.


The only place I've been able to consistently solo farm is Anvil Rock, which while stable, only yields maybe 1.5k per run.

Basically, I'm as confused as the OP on the massive amounts of GP floating around, though I understand that I haven't reached most of the places that the money has been farmed from.

Trading USED to generate a massive amount of money back before loot scaling and the introduction of inscriptions ~ It generated EVEN MORE before the sorrows furnace update and the introduction of GREEN weapons into the game.

It used to be common practice prior to being able to move from US to Euro to Asian servers; for the really 'proffesional' traders among us (those who took it seriously I mean) to have multiple accounts in different regions. I used to make hundreds of platinum in a week just buying mods in europe moving them to a US based account and selling them stateside. This was ofc when sundering 10/10 sold for upwards of 100k...(LOL) Americans were just willing to pay more for some reason.

Prior to loot scaling a character could amass a large amount of money very quickly just by farming the same area over and over again. Back in the days of just Prophecies there wasn't as much to do tbh ~ no title grinds no Hard Mode ~ If you were going to play the game you had to do something right?

Trader reset ~ There have been two of them to my knowledge ~ I have been around for both, first one wasn't rolled back , second one was . A fair few people got rich off of the first one~ FAR too many people utilised the second for the economy to remain viable so they rolled it back.

The simple truth of it is that now, outside of the whole duping fiasco, you will find it incredably difficult to make any significant money in a short period of time. Trading is a LOT more dificult to make a living out of now as people (A) Have a lot more to spend their money on ~ for example titles, (B) Probably have pretty much everything they want/need now anyway (C) less money, and less viable means of generating money and finally (D) There are so damn many people doing it now

Inscriptions are a fantastic addition to the game ~ I am 'Pro' inscriptions, but their introduction to the game has meant that every req 8 (very rare) or 9 that drops inscribable is to all intents and purposes, perfect ~ and this severely hampers the average players earning potential. It used to be that one 'perfect' drop could set you up for life. I remember selling a req 8 15^50 shadowblade I got chestrunning in FoW for a little over a million gold ~ way back when...

Overall if you arent rich now ~ you are going to have a hell of a time getting rich brothers and sisters. Unless you win a mini roller beetle at the canthan festival or get a req 9 eternal blade drop from the Z chest

Just keep plugging away at it and utilise the only real cash cows anet have given you ~ the free treasure chests should keep your coffers topped up (slightly) if you have a lot of characters
OR you could (if you can stand the boredom of it all) just FFF for the cash as well as the faction. The money is still there you just have to look a little harder for it now (if you can be bothered that is.)

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Some people get to play the game 24/7 since the game probably came out, so they can be further ahead in terms of money by a lot. There are ways to make money, they pop up here and there, especially when a new campaign or expansion comes out, there are many things that can get you money. My friend got a green scythe from GWEN the day it came out, and sold it for 100k, although now it's probably worth 5k-10k already. Farming destroyer cores yielded a lot of cash, about 30k-35k in as little as 2 hours, when the game first came out.

One example of how I COULD Have made money but totally gimped myself was buy a req9 Silverwing Bow for 100k the day Eye of the North released. However, being broke isn't fun so I sold it for 100k 8e, so I did make a little money. However I wish I knew how high in demand these things would get, I think they are worth 100k 60e now. So for instance, I could have made 60e with little to no effort. (which would have been especially nice, usually weapons prices go DOWN not way way UP lol).

Unfortunately, there are definately some dupers out there, with stacks of armbraces. You can survive perfectly well in this game with around 300k and kinda get bored because by then you will have at least a couple elite armors anyways and an elite weapon or two for your character. However the reason I still play is for the fun of it, and in gwen the games still exciting with the dungeons.

Money isn't everything in this game, you can still have fun if you have some people to play with, without being rich. It's sorta like real life, you can get rediculously rich by having no life and working your ass off constantly from the beginning, or some people do bad things that other people dislike as crimes to make insane money with no effort but a lot of risk (duping).

Popular =/= good.

Back on topic

I struggled for two years trying to figure out how people had so much money then I looked into the "55" thing. Soon I was out farming minotaur, hydra, stone elementals, and the money started coming in.

It really took off when I got to Doomlore Shrine and a guy I traded with took me on a run through CoF, that was my introduction to 600 / Smite. Been uphill every since. My wives account now has over 500k (use it to smite) and my account has 75k (just bought a bunch of z-keys) Now if someone can tell me where that new shield is going to drop .

This shield


If it is the z chest I am ready.

Because at least she says something and makes a point. You on the other hand are doing nothing but trolling.

One of the ANet people even said it: if you make a WoW clone simply because WOW shows the formula is a success, you're putting yourself into direct competition with WOW. At which point one of two things happen: Either you've produced one of those rare games that does manage to unseat the current king, or you'll be just another failed WoW clone.

Guild Wars isn't supposed to be competing with WoW. The original intent was to pick up those people who were unsatisfied with the grindy carrot-on-a-stick behaviour of typical MMORPGs and were looking for something else. The problem is that the lack of a subscription fee has meant that it's also attracted people who were essentially looking for a cheap version of the traditional MMORPG, and in my opinion, ANet has been listening to them more than it should.

My point is: The differences between WoW and GW, with a few exceptions, are good things. With those differences, GW is it's own game. Without those differences, it's just another WoW clone that only avoids the 'failed' tag by being a budget version.

Personally, if I was a game designer, I'd prefer my game to be played for what it was rather than as the substitute for people who can't afford what they really want to play...

I like not having to worry about spending millions and millions and millions getting ONE weapon or piece of armor to +5 *out of 10*. I'm gald this game isn't just a fake bank sim like other MMOs. Thats all they are, he who has the most cash wins? Or higher level, or better yet spends the most in the cash shop. I like GWs the way it is and hope it stays that way. Tho I would like higher levels.

I wouldn't play WoW even if it was free.

Frist they killed off a great RTS series, and I'm sure WoW helped put the axe to the Diablo series for the time being *if not forever*.

Then they charge us $15 a month, come on Mircosoft...sorry Blizzard what a rip off, monthy fees are so 90s.

Surprised Mircosoft hasn't teamed with Blizzard yet, two of the biggest nickel and dime champs in the land.

Then half the time you'll need a **** load of people to do stuff. Which is just a bore.

Lastly the pvp....I've had more fun with PVP in a F2P MMO. WoW's pvp is a pitiful joke.

Never before have I felt I wasted money on a game until then.

I don't see GWs as a substitute for WoW. Its nothing like it. GWs is more like what Diablo 3 would have been. Or the next Titan Quest since I bet we will get that before the other :P.

Haha, you say there's no power creep in GW, but your icon is Ursan Blessing with an x through it. That's irony.

There's power creep in Guild Wars. Tons of it. Just not so much equipment-side. Damage mods going from rare to common is about the only thing I can think of, and that's pretty darn minor.

Ursan Blessing, Paragons in PvP (heck, *anything* from Nightfall)... yeah, power creep.

Here is how you make money:
Go into Shing Jea Monastary district 1 as a female rit, take off all your armor, and spam in trade: Stripping for 10g!
jk

Everyone is missing the point. We all know how to make money, but he was asking where it came from. Because at the start, everyone had 0g, now people have millions. The answer is gold farming. One guy buys 1 million gold from farmers, then buys something. The person who sold the item now has his gold. Rinse and repeat thousands of times.

I can guarantee that everyone has gold in their inventory that originated from a gold farmer, through trades upon trades. If not, then you must have farmed it all yourself, which is how the gold farmers get it to sell to people anyway.

You can'tbe serious?

Withmy new warrior(just reached level 20 sat night) I've already made just under 50k playing the game. This includes no farming, andjust selling what drops. Shehasn't even made it to the desert yet.

If you're struggling that bad, you are doing something wrong.

I admit I've had help since restrarting. My guildies gave me free elite and reg warrior tomes, and any help when needed. Depending on your guild, maybe ou should get a little help?

A new char should clear 100k by the timeit reaches Droks/or any other end town.

Coffee+keyboard=bad, so excuse the missedspaces

You don't get really stinking rich, but you'll easily be able to afford that 15K set simply by vanquishing areas and picking up all loot. Including the whites. If you run out of storage, salvage.

And when you're playing for gold you HAVE to play in hardmode now, normal mode drops are atrocious.

To get really stinking rich you need to get really lucky, or farm those "elite" areas.

I would be genuinely pleasantly surprised if this is true consistantly, (not doubting that you yourself were fortunate enough to gather these funds Malice), a few months ago I ran through Factions with a new character as a test ~ I didnt open my Xunlai storage with this new character, and i didnt trade with other players at any point. I wanted to see if a new character would be self sufficient under the loot scaling system, without access to any funds generated by other characters. In essence I went newb.. my findings were considerably less pleasant than yours, although Prophecies is a much longer campaign...

exactly. GW is more about those 8 skills in your bar, and how you use them. It's not about spending insane amounts of time on questing for an uber leet weapon, just to have it shown up by a newer, more powerful weapon in another update. swords are 15-22, casters are 11-22, and that's all there is to it. yes, you can make weapons to your fancy (upgrades, runes, etc.) but the ppl at Anet wanted a game where you have to think about what skills you are using, not a game about how much hours you log trying to get an upper hand on the populous.

basically, Gw was built so that the skilled players actually do become elite players, and not the noobs who obtain great powers from other players without earning them.

IMO the quoted number here is completely ridiculous. A couple of years ago Anet made an official statement IIRC saying something like that 80% of their players had less than 20k total. And there hasn't been any changes to the game since then that would put that figure much higher for those who just play through the game normally to have 100k by Droks. I'd love to see a detailed step by step accounting (detailing every gold piece) of someone making a new character and then having 100k by Droks just by playing through the game normally. Wouldn't ever happen IMO.

You are taking what he said out of context. He already mentioned that there isn't much power creep equipment-wise.

Skill-wise is a whole different discussion.

To add my own little tidbit to this discussion, I've found that doing a small amount of farming during major events (such as the Canthan New Year) can yield some pretty good cash (like 50-60k without too much effort). Doing the quests on even 4 characters can yield some good money while taking a maximum of an hour to do. That's not even counting rerolling characters if you have a free slot to do it. Selling the tokens (or whatever item they hand out) to all the greedy people reels in money.

But also, this is kinda like asking where do the people like Bill Gates and Donald Trump get their money.

Its just time .. lol I atm got uhm 2g if i remember right though i got nothing to buy other then spent all on titles :d It comes from quests when faction and nf came Quest rewards become huge

Made 100k playing a few hours a day over the weekend without trading with players at all. Cleared UW/FoW, sold to NPCs.

That adds up, especially when people play a lot.

When it comes to gold and wealth and well just about anything in GW most people think "if it happens to someone else it happens to everyone else EQUALLY" well folks it doesn't. I can play for 8 hours and maybe bring in 50k, that doesn't mean you can play for 8 hours in the same place and do the SAME. Luck is an important factor in this game and it's not "just because Joe got one that you should get one also".

Like above some dude said you HAVE to play in HM now to gain income...wrong. You don't. You just have to be lucky and KNOW what areas to play in in NM that have the best drops. Like the other day in my few hours of playtime I got FIVE yes FIVE green drops in this one area in just a few hours maybe 3 at most playing in NM (and even using 3 heroes), not to mention all the drops of other things I got as well. Even got a GOLD drop (shock) lol Thing is I was able to sell 3 of the 5 greens at 5k each and yielded a 15k income in just a couple or 3 hours. I also got the two drops I was after in the meantime. Now, the next person that goes to that very same spot and plays in it for the very same time period might not be as LUCKY as I am and not get squat. That's just life in GW.

One thing that is fact though, you are going to get drops and income when you play, the other fact is you are not going to get exactly what the next guy gets or the guy after that or even before you. You're going to get what you get and that's all ever. So, it's best to quit worrying what the Joneses are getting or why and just concentrate on what you are getting and perhaps how you can increase your income. There are loads of places to gain a good profit income in NM, most people just don't know them or "experiment" in places and take down documentation of how much they make in a run. Those of US who do do that are the ones that are rich and one of the reasons why we are rich....along with LUCK of course.

I see all too many wanting someone else to do the WORK for them and then leech on others experience and come screaming WHERE! WHERE! WHERE! are these places where you make so much money??? Drooling and panting like a dog at the same time. And then of course calling you a liar if you don't produce the information a sceenshot or a link to something. lol Those are the biggest losers I know who try to use that method of getting information. haha

Thats because they waste money on things they don't need. They buy armour at every town, spend cash on sundering mods for a sword. They don't bother IDing or even picking up white/blue drops and don't bother salvaging to sell materials.

I can see that you are at least consistent in your postings. It seems that you have an extreme case of megalomania (A psycho pathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence.) While I myself have no desire for the elite look, many do work towards the possession of
those items. GW is about having fun and enjoying the game play.

You're talking about a new character...played by an old hand. That means you know how to play well and get the most out of each area financially in a way that a truly new character wouldn't. Plus, when you're a truly new character skills are the most expensive things that you buy - and you've cut down on that cost considerably, by your own admission.

I remember having to save up for my first expert salvage kit. It took me a while. And that it took me days before I had 10 tanned hide squares I could sell to the materials trader, the first time I did it. I can imagine having 50k by the end of Prophecies on the first way through - I had about 20k, and it wouldn't shock me to find out that other people made or kept significantly more - but 100k? I don't think an inexperienced player could do it.

When i reached dorknar's forge on my first character, an elementalist i had enough money to buy both a perfect wand/offhhand and a staff as well as 15k armour. Because of that i skipped getting droks armour.

Everything a new player needs to make money is there, its just most of them don't bother. I have helped many new players and they always seem to leave drops on the floor with excuses of i can't be bothered or my inventory is full.
I tell them they should sell what they dont use or salvage items for materials and the usual reply is salvage kits are a waste of money.

There's a wide difference between an inexperienced player and an undisciplined player.

Undisciplined players buy every upgrade, every skill...basically everything that they can get their hands on (and then complain about their money woes). Disciplined players are very careful with their money, doing their research ahead of time, planning their purchases and buying things they need as they need them.

It has nothing to do with being inexperienced. Yes, experience can teach you discipline, but being inexperienced doesn't prevent that, either.

I tried to imply this, but I should've stated it outright:
I have yet to finish either of the two campaigns I have, so Hard Mode isn't available.

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I think this attachement will bring back some fond memories :P

Also, about the 100k before droks? Thats a bit steep, i recently started up in factions on another account and i had 6k by the time i left the island, so i would say id have maybe 40 or so by the end of factions, like i keep repeating - dont ignore your whites!