Rollerbeetle Top 100 Prize is... (Pic Included)

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Plevron

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Hacking? I dont think they hacked to get mini rollerbeetles. Rollerbeetle racing is a matter of skill, luck and technique. How could they hack it anyway, really?
Now I'm no good at rollerbeetle racing, nowhere near a high score or top 100. But it's a fun game. And I say congrats to the people who earned the rollerbeetles by skill practice and look. I think people on this thread who are flaming and whining and whatever saying "0MG H4X0R G0T B33TL3S!" (Lol ) Are just jealous they didnt get one.

P.S: Anet should really fix the high scores so that someone cant get on the highscores more than once. o.O

Reflected.

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OMG ITS RUTHLESS AMAZON THAT GUY WHO OWNS EVERY1 IN HA
ya i dunno who placebo is either... doesnt seem like any1 else knows either

Sub Frost

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Roller beetle racing isn't about "hacking", it's about tricks and timing.

The question i see people asking is, is that enough reason for such a high and limited reward? The answer is usually no, but given the manner the latest "rare" mini(aka mini polar bear) was implemented, questioning Anet's view on the "special" economy of Guild Wars is a waste of time.

Cale Roughstar

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Grats to all the top 100!

I had the pleasure of playing against Roflcopter Ownage in one race, and I learned quite a lot about good racing from that! Ah, to have had the full weekend!

To say that any of these people hack is stupid. They know ALL the tricks of the trade, and my hat off to them for it. Cant wait till the beetles are available again!

Nadia Roark

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I did a fair bit of racing (for once) during this event and I had a pretty good time with it. My highest score was something around a 467,000, and to be perfectly honest I can see, based off that score and how I did during that race, how someone could get 480,000 or close to it.

I probably ran a couple hundred races during this event; of which I would say probably 25-35 of the races provided the powerups needed to provide such a kickass score. Of these 25-35 races, a number of other conditions would also need to be fulfilled in order to finish with a score higher than 465,000: you can't get KD'd more than a couple times and if you use your skills in the wrong place (or fall prey to the Rollerbeetle Dash bug) you're boned.

That said, the lingering smell of rat continues to plague my already unfortunate olfactory organ. I ran a race at some point during the event where our leader (who had ran a 470something the previous race) stopped and started dancing for a full twenty seconds. At the 5th Checkpoint. Guess who won anyway?

I don't pretend to know anything about "hacking" or third party programs, but I do know that this incident was highly unusual since he obviously knew (somehow) that he was going to win anyway. I know what has to happen for someone to run a race like that (I was fortunate enough to come close myself), but what puzzles me is the frequency with which these circumstances fulfill themselves for certain players. It's possible that they just run way more races than the rest of us, I suppose.

But I think the real problem is dumbass targeting. Towards the end (it got really bad by sunday night), whoever had the lead after the third checkpoint would almost always maintain it unmolested for the rest of the race. It was almost as if players were only racing for first place in the opening 45 seconds of the race. I got hit with more Rollerbeetle Blasts and Spit Rocks in 3rd, 4th and 5th (!) places than I ever had to deal with in the lead. I don't think most racers realize that the range on Rollerbeetle Blast is not limited to aggro-bubble range.

Nemesis of God

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Woah, haven't seen so jealous peoples...do you really think that there is some
[SIZE=-1]Über-hyper-super cheat/hax that increses score? Stop crying, if there would be somekind of bug/hax/cheat ANet would notice it. You can get to top-100 easily, if you have luck ( Rollerbeetle Echo> Super Rollerbeetle> Echoed one,
and this from start to end )


Gratz to all who won the prize. Really disapointed that these who won at last year, couldn't get another, they deserve it.

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StormDragonZ

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Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

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All I have to say is:

Why are people acting so jealous? Am I the only person who really doesn't care if someone got a Mini or not?

I still find it hard to believe that people forget that Guild Wars is a game to have fun AND ONLY FUN. If you complain and consider something unfair, get ten thousand other people to agree with it. Until then, most people pretty much wont care.

For the record, I've never had an Ectoplasm, let alone a Mini Beetle.

vixro

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Placebo was the one that taught me the tricks, ruthless amazon also helped a little bit. There is no hacking involved and if you know what you're doing you can dance at checkpoint 5, even let people lead in front of you, and still win the race without a super. So many people mess up the spiral and the beach it's unbelievable. They just love going for the powerups... which ruins all your speed.

Nadia Roark

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Quote:
Originally Posted by vixro
Placebo was the one that taught me the tricks, ruthless amazon also helped a little bit. There is no hacking involved and if you know what you're doing you can dance at checkpoint 5, even let people lead in front of you, and still win the race without a super. So many people mess up the spiral and the beach it's unbelievable. They just love going for the powerups... which ruins all your speed.
The spiral after checkpoint 5 is one of my strongest areas (same with the one immediately after the second). It's one of those key places where having a good machine probably helps--I couldn't imagine trying to deal with it on my old box. I may have gone for the powerup all the way on the right by the 6th Checkpoint, but I know what I'm doing when it comes to pathing.

Terra Xin

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The strategy was posted last year. Im guessing all the people complaining wern't here to read it?

RedNova88

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Congrats on the beetles. However this thread really stinks of suspicion and ego stroking...

Nadia Roark

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra Xin
The strategy was posted last year. Im guessing all the people complaining wern't here to read it?
This was the first festival I really participated in. Prior to this I had a woefully inadequate machine (that I for some reason subjected my friends to the horror of HAing with), and even after I built my new one I had been playing other games for some time at first.

If there's a better way to do it and he used it to beat me fine--but you can't seriously be indignant with me or anyone else for scratching our heads after the guy actually stops for some time and still wins. Even if I knew the strategy and how to execute it perfectly every time, I would never assume that the other racers were unaware of it, no matter how many races may have proven me wrong. If you're playing to win (and hey, maybe this guy didn't care) there are certain things that you just don't do. Stopping in the middle of a race seems like one of them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedNova88
...However this thread really stinks of suspicion and ego stroking...
Welcome to the internet.

Uber Mass

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retired from gw [agro] still ftw

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I just suck at rollerbeetle racing ^_^ grats to the winners

vixro

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Check your PM Nadia. I would post it here, but it was one of my strategies I didn't want everyone else to know. It's not the method you'd use for a top score, but in that specific area it would be very fast.

Just make sure you never hit any of the water.

MoriaOrc

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Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nadia Roark
This was the first festival I really participated in. Prior to this I had a woefully inadequate machine (that I for some reason subjected my friends to the horror of HAing with), and even after I built my new one I had been playing other games for some time at first.

If there's a better way to do it and he used it to beat me fine--but you can't seriously be indignant with me or anyone else for scratching our heads after the guy actually stops for some time and still wins. Even if I knew the strategy and how to execute it perfectly every time, I would never assume that the other racers were unaware of it, no matter how many races may have proven me wrong. If you're playing to win (and hey, maybe this guy didn't care) there are certain things that you just don't do. Stopping in the middle of a race seems like one of them.


Welcome to the internet.
First up, the guy was obviously being a bit of a jerk.

However, in response to taking other people lightly: if you know what your doing, you can tell if anyone else is going to be a challenge after the cave. Anyone not still with you after that is either a regular player (99%), or someone who missed their drops (and so they're probably going to give up).

The only realistic threat was that everyone gangs up to chain-kd him, with an optional someone gets (or has) a SRB. Honestly, if he was really being that stupid about it, I'm surprised that the first part didn't happen.

Martin Alvito

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by vixro
I was able to get ~ 465k everytime with no super or echo. Just dont go through water.... durr.
Then you've successfully reverse engineered the method Yuri uses. This is harder than it sounds, as you have to space speed buffs properly, and the spacing is pretty non-intuitive.

As for people screwing over your run - Yuri always had a problem with this. The best solutions are pacifism followed by doing unto others late. Use your shield responsibly, memorize where people can pick up KD powerups, and use your Lunge on the last guy that is in range when you're on the beach.

Martin Alvito

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reflected.
ya i dunno who placebo is either... doesnt seem like any1 else knows either
Placebo monked (and sometimes still monks) CC. He goes by 'Sword' on the forums here.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reflected.
OMG ITS RUTHLESS AMAZON THAT GUY WHO OWNS EVERY1 IN HA
ya i dunno who placebo is either... doesnt seem like any1 else knows either
lol ref....ref there?

placebo = quitter

Davros Uitar

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Join Date: Jan 2006

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Congrats to the winners and shame on those who QQ simply because they are not good enough. I suck at rollerbeetle, but I know like most things in this game, if you focus your attention you can get very good at almost anything. Why bitch and moan because a few guys and gals put in the effort necessary, and shared the skills they learnt with a few friends.

I know none of then, but kudos to them.

Killed u man

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Davros Uitar
Congrats to the winners and shame on those who QQ simply because they are not good enough. I suck at rollerbeetle, but I know like most things in this game, if you focus your attention you can get very good at almost anything. Why bitch and moan because a few guys and gals put in the effort necessary, and shared the skills they learnt with a few friends.

I know none of then, but kudos to them.
Dual Ram ftw? Or mayby how certain people payed/asked people to leave/help them?

I got 474 the fair way, and I ONLY figured out the dual ram glitch in the last 3 hours...

Pretty sad to see a Lightening Beetle get away from me in that way...

Sure, Ekelon, Ruthless, Yuris are good players, however, do NOT tell me they didn't have unfair advantage, they knowingly abused this glitch... (So did I, but seeing how I, in only 3 hours, got such a high score, well bs...)

ON TOP OF THAT, if it was 1 account = 1 placein top 100, I probably would have maid it anyways...

Meh, Gratz anyways, Better luck next year for me ^^ (GW will be totally dead anyways)

vixro

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Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
Then you've successfully reverse engineered the method Yuri uses. This is harder than it sounds, as you have to space speed buffs properly, and the spacing is pretty non-intuitive.

As for people screwing over your run - Yuri always had a problem with this. The best solutions are pacifism followed by doing unto others late. Use your shield responsibly, memorize where people can pick up KD powerups, and use your Lunge on the last guy that is in range when you're on the beach.

I was Lisa Super Beetle, Placebo told me to message you if I had any other questions but everything Placebo told me plus all of my own tricks made it quite simple to have a perfect race every time and lead from the start every time. But the strategy you are saying, I found I had trouble both ways with it.


When I didn't touch anyone at the start, I tended to get KD'd at the bottom of the ramp in the cave, because people didn't want me to escape. If I didn't use the shell at the CP, they used it on me up there instead as I started down the ramp.


On the other hand, when I used my lunge or KD on second place right after the first powerup - I was able to create a KD fest of rams for places 2nd and worst. Once I clustered 2nd place, they would all start to chain KD everyone. This allowed me a HUGE lead and able to just race under my own power but if somebody got a super beetle, lucky, or knew how to race, once they got in range of me on the spiral they would do everything possible to screw up the score even if they had absolutely no chance of winning.

Double edged sword IMO, not only did you have to get lucky with boxes to place in the top 100 you had to get lucky with other player's powerups and judge your shells really well.


Either way, I am unhappy that it took me about 400 races to learn all the techniques and I was left with around 100 to try for the high scores. I was over 472 quite a few times, but couldn't quite get past my record of 475,750 (my 3 chances or so with echo super I was interferred with by other players near the spiral area and they had a super too), my record only happened with a single super, if I had gained echo or another super from the powerup in the water there wouldn't have been any doubt in my mind that would have been a 480 score.

MrSlayer

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Quit Whining And [PLAY]

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Gratz to all who won them; it takes some skill...

Although I'm suspicious since I had a whisper from 2 or 3 people asking "Wanna help me rig a race so I can get top 100?"

Other than that, which I'd guess isn't ALL of you, gj

Martin Alvito

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by vixro
On the other hand, when I used my lunge or KD on second place right after the first powerup - I was able to create a KD fest of rams for places 2nd and worst. Once I clustered 2nd place, they would all start to chain KD everyone. This allowed me a HUGE lead and able to just race under my own power but if somebody got a super beetle, lucky, or knew how to race, once they got in range of me on the spiral they would do everything possible to screw up the score even if they had absolutely no chance of winning.
Yes, I've commented on this before. If you get a KD from the first box, which is not your preference (first box echo/2nd box Super is ideal, but rare), the thing to do is to try to stack the other beetles up in the chokepoint by the first box. The extra few seconds of space is worth the hate.

Quote:
Originally Posted by vixro
Double edged sword IMO, not only did you have to get lucky with boxes to place in the top 100 you had to get lucky with other player's powerups and judge your shells really well.
I generally hold my shield out of the gate in order to delay dash. I call this the "guess the noob Ram" game, where I have to predict precisely where on the downhill slope some idiot noob is going to waste his Ram in a misguided effort to knock people down. I've gotten fairly good at this through sheer volume of runs; if you watch your radar, it's usually pretty easy to guess when it's going to get cooked off.

If I succeed at this, I can save my second shield and wait until the second-place player runs over the first box to shield, which generally happens at around 28 seconds. This gives me perma-shield through 36 seconds, and if someone is going to try to knock me down, they almost always have attempted it by then.


Quote:
Originally Posted by vixro
(my 3 chances or so with echo super I was interferred with by other players near the spiral area and they had a super too),
That's just abysmally bad luck. The only thing that I can tell you is to use your shield in response to 2nd place running over the box right before the 5th checkpoint. If they get a blast, they will almost always use it immediately.

Still, if someone else caught a super all 3 times...that's just very poor luck.

Dogmire

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Could it be that ekelon blacked the names in his/her screen shot because they all have the same guild tag? If they did I think that would prove the sync theory.

Free Runner

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogmire
Could it be that ekelon blacked the names in his/her screen shot because they all have the same guild tag? If they did I think that would prove the sync theory.
OR now get this one because it doesnt involve an evil guild rigging races for Miniatures - Perhaps he blacked them out because leaving them in would cause people from this very thread to PM them with "CHEATER" every 5 mins.

Just a thought.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Syncing DID happen. Gues what, NOONE in top 100 will admit it. I did it once, just to proof myself and my guildies it could be done.

We did it in between Active and Dead-hour. (1-3 AM GMT +1)

As I said before, it's not some theory, that is NOT worth investing the time in... In less then 3 tries, we got a team of 3 (or 4) guildies together.

It's not some "conspiracy", it's a fact, and it's reality. I myself became victim of 3 people that chain-kd'ed me, whilst one random guy just jumped out in front. I typed in ALL chat: WTF? -None of them replied...

The first guy finishes with a score of 470+K, there was NO second... (We barely reached the Spiral)

Random PvE-nubs that had NO clue what they were doing? Yeah right, and it really was Chuck Norris crashing the AB servers yesterday o.0

unienaule

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Wow, some people sure are sore losers.

Scheda

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Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by ¿Evan¿
Why am I not on this list as #1? I'm the most famous person in this game no doubts. Also who is placebo??
What, you don't know Placebo? Shame on you! Surely just because he is European!
You racist bastard.

Lain Akazukin

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Join Date: Apr 2007

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Well maybe syncing did happen, big deal. It didn't bother me and my times, and I had more fun racing random opponents anyway.

TideSwayer

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I'm not going to lie. I want a mini Rollerbeetle bad, but I wasn't willing to race for it this weekend nor am I willing to farm up the $$$ to buy it (need the $$$ for titles atm anyways). Oh well. Unless ANet decides to slash the prices of minis like they did all of the old valuable weapon/item skins (with added supply and access), I guess I'm SOL. I'm fine with that, I guess.

Congrats to all the winners and anyone else who actually owns a beetle. Hopefully for the Year 3 minis ANet adds a common beetle or something for all of the rest of us to get.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lain Akazukin
Well maybe syncing did happen, big deal. It didn't bother me and my times, and I had more fun racing random opponents anyway.
Same, it's not fun with your Guildies "Quarterbacking" you. (Not a big Football fan, but the guys that protect the "runner" )

I just find it so sad when people try to come off smart saying: "Dude, you're a retarded kid. You really think these big conspiracies happen?"

Because you make these people feel like they are "wrong". Thus growing a grudge against PvE noobs for camping them since the beginning of the match. Well I just like them to know they ARN'T wrong, stuff like that really happened.

DoomFrost

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Congrats to the all the winners! Was a fun event!

Tatile

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Congrats to all those who won a rollerbeetle, must have been fun rolling around as a gigantic one (I can't race to save my life).

Next year though, it would be amusing to see what would happen if (a) there was no racing or (b) no prizes were given out. No chances of people cheating/hacking the game then


Edit: Clarification - I'm not calling the winners cheaters or hackers here, I'm directing something at those who are: would you like it if there was no racing? General principle: if the loud people can't play nice with the people who are good at the game, and won't leave them alone, no-one gets to play. This also means the toys won't be broken

MercenaryKnight

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I have been trying my best to find out exactly how to time things. I never even learned the double ram thing until someone posted. So I guess I need to learn more for next year in hopes that I can reach the very bottom and stay on there heh.

I know that anything is possible, but sometimes I just can't believe keeping up the speed heh.

CougarTheTall

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Dallas, TX

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I would say gratz but I hardly see grinding a retarded beetle race for three days so that you can oust one of the hackers with 14 top 100 spots off the chart so that you can get an ugly mini-pet a congratulatory event.

Ekelon

Ekelon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Killed u man
Sure, Ekelon, Ruthless, Yuris are good players, however, do NOT tell me they didn't have unfair advantage, they knowingly abused this glitch... (So did I, but seeing how I, in only 3 hours, got such a high score, well bs...)
Unfair advantage? No. It's more like a fair advantage. We know the course very well. How do you think I'm such a good Hero Battler? Do I have some kind of unfair advantage? NO. Watch observer mode, I don't cheat in Hero Battles and I'm ranked pretty high up there. Why I am so good? Think about it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killed u man
Same, it's not fun with your Guildies "Quarterbacking" you. (Not a big Football fan, but the guys that protect the "runner" )

I just find it so sad when people try to come off smart saying: "Dude, you're a retarded kid. You really think these big conspiracies happen?"

Because you make these people feel like they are "wrong". Thus growing a grudge against PvE noobs for camping them since the beginning of the match. Well I just like them to know they ARN'T wrong, stuff like that really happened.
It's called linebacking, actually

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekelon
Unfair advantage? No. It's more like a fair advantage. We know the course very well. How do you think I'm such a good Hero Battler? Do I have some kind of unfair advantage? NO. Watch observer mode, I don't cheat in Hero Battles and I'm ranked pretty high up there. Why I am so good? Think about it.
You're good, however, I would LOVE to face you NOT playing sin. You'dd have a pretty tough ride against me (R50) HB isn't rly a good measurement of skill. HB means you can do a one dimensional thing (Spaming Guardian as I do, or spamming left to right as sins do) combined with Micro and flagging. Both of which in, imo, are VERY easy, because of the simplicity of HB bars. (I blame bad AI for that one)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekelon
It's called linebacking, actually
You've owned me, No point in lying ^^

vixro

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Stranded Among New Players [SANP]

Mo/

I ran into about 3 groups that were obviously part of an alliance or friends that were linebacking for somebody. I just let it go because that was only a few races out of the hundreds that weren't fixed. It happens.

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

These things do happen by random chance. I saw the odd match here and there with two copies of the same tag. I WAS that match once myself (guildie was on Vent with me at the time, too.)

Also had one match where I ran into Placebo and another top 100 player I know - forget which it was that match. Had a few other matches with just one other player I knew, as well. But given the sheer volume of matches I played (I ended up with something upwards of 3000 tokens, if that helps), those things just happen.

Rollerbeetle is a numbers racket if you know what you're doing - given skill, if you make enough runs, eventually you get a run with sufficient luck to post a top time. Like anything luck-based, acquiring luck runs in streaks due to random chance.

Ekelon

Ekelon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Rebel Rising [rawr]

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killed u man
You're good, however, I would LOVE to face you NOT playing sin. You'dd have a pretty tough ride against me (R50) HB isn't rly a good measurement of skill. HB means you can do a one dimensional thing (Spaming Guardian as I do, or spamming left to right as sins do) combined with Micro and flagging. Both of which in, imo, are VERY easy, because of the simplicity of HB bars. (I blame bad AI for that one)
If you've ever seen me play. I've played almost every single profession (minus the paragon). And they've worked pretty well too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by vixro
I ran into about 3 groups that were obviously part of an alliance or friends that were linebacking for somebody. I just let it go because that was only a few races out of the hundreds that weren't fixed. It happens.
Yea I've been linebacked before in rollerbeetles (not even guildies, they just linebacked me cuz they all happened to recognized me)... Not fun.