Bot Stop! they way to stop gold spammers!

bathazard

bathazard

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

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i was thinking for either Guildwars and Guildwars 2 to add a new chat section. this section would be a place to click on links and such. this would not stop Gold Spammers but would just restrict them to a certain area. Then a Guild Wars admin can locate the "bot" and 'Termnate' it! now i here you say "What about whispers?" well, We you whisper someone with a link it would go to the link channel with a <--[username] and only you resive. so how will this stop bots? it won't it will give you the power to turn them off. so what do you guys think of this concept, its not the best but i think it could work, even temperarily.

shru

shru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

imo, the best way to shutdown chat spam bots is to stop giving free trial keys to players.

EDIT: Just realized that someone else posted this same thread an hour ago. please post your idea in there instead of wasting space with an entirely new thread.

bathazard

bathazard

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

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I Appolagize didn't even realize just logged on lol . the only problem with not giving free trials is that people won't buy Guildwars as much... there fore guildwras won't stop free trials. would a free trial per IP work... spose IP generator would own it but who would risk it?

Biostem

Biostem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

Botters will modify the way they display URLs so as to avoid them being picked up by this. As quickly as a way to stop botters in implemented, a way to circumvent those filters will be figured out.

bathazard

bathazard

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

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not always. if you could ban IP addresses mabye you could kill atleast some of them. then you could implement my strategy (1st Post) to kill off the rest.

Whats is you Avatar BTW?

l8erg8or

l8erg8or

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/

The reason there is so much spam in Ascalon id1 is because of free trial keys, but nowhere else. These guys make enough money to buy multiple copies NP. One spammer account is linked behind the scenes to at least 20 farmers.

Uber Mass

Uber Mass

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Netherlands

retired from gw [agro] still ftw

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at least disable chat on the trial accounts will help alot

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Uber Mass
at least disable chat on the trial accounts will help alot
I remember suggesting this on a bot discussion thread. Remarkably, a post with the idea showed up a day later. People nowadays. So unoriginal.


Trial Keys should not have chat options. Accounts that advertize gold should be banned. These are the two fixes that will stop spammers permanently.

take_me

take_me

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

Europe

Country Roads [HOME]

Quote:
Originally Posted by You can't see me
I remember suggesting this on a bot discussion thread. Remarkably, a post with the idea showed up a day later. People nowadays. So unoriginal.

Trial Keys should not have chat options. Accounts that advertize gold should be banned. These are the two fixes that will stop spammers permanently.
Players who try out the game should be able to whisper others.
But why not simply limit the amount of whispers to let's say 25 different persons. That should be enough for a trial-player and would stop gold-spammers from whispering everyone entering an outpost.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by take_me
Players who try out the game should be able to whisper others.
But why not simply limit the amount of whispers to let's say 25 different persons. That should be enough for a trial-player and would stop gold-spammers from whispering everyone entering an outpost.
I firmly disagree. People who are given the oppourtunity to cause chaos with no punishment given to them and no risk to themselves will take it, even if the 1% of honest players trying out the game will not. This is human nature and cannot be fought.

Cale Roughstar

Cale Roughstar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Canada

Guy In Real Life [GIRL]

W/E

Anet need to just do what WoW does, DO NOT LET TRIAL ACCOUNTS WHISPER OR USE LOCAL CHAT! If honest players want to try the game out with friends, they can still use teamchat and guildchat.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

When is everyone going to wise up and learn that nothing has ever been done to prohibit gold-selling/gold-farming?

Seriously, it's been a huge problem for almost 3 years now, and nothing has ever been done, or will ever be done. There are so many underhanded actions going on that the community doesn't know about that it would make your head spin.

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

If people can use local for trading, what hope do you have for keeping gold spammers to their channel?

anonymous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

w w w . fakegoldwebsite . c o m. You can get around any filter if you try. Won't really solve any problems if they change their spam to get around the filter.

gameshoes3003

gameshoes3003

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

You know if people actually didn't buy the gold crap there'd be no point for these bots.

anonymous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by gameshoes3003
You know if people actually didn't buy the gold crap there'd be no point for these bots.
You know the people complaining about this aren't the ones buying gold.

gameshoes3003

gameshoes3003

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by anonymous
You know the people complaining about this aren't the ones buying gold.
But there are still people buying it.

Lishy

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by gameshoes3003
You know if people actually didn't buy the gold crap there'd be no point for these bots.
They don't because if it was good to use, anyone could get rich by spending a few bucks.
This is an obvious hint that they are a rip-off.Kind of like porn comments you see spammed on youtube.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

Quote:
Originally Posted by anonymous
w w w . fakegoldwebsite . c o m. You can get around any filter if you try. Won't really solve any problems if they change their spam to get around the filter.
When they stick spaces in the URL, program the filter to strip out the spaces before comparing it to the list of blocked words. If they stick an invisible character in there to fool the filter, stick the invisible character onto the block list.

Yes they will keep getting round the filter, but every time they do they will mangle their URL. The more they mangle the URL, the harder it is for the potential buyers to figure out what to type into their browser. For instance if the spammer says www.f4k3g0ldw3bsit3.c0m how many people would figure out that the spammer was actually advertising www.fakegoldwebsite.com ?

And what happens when f4k3g0ldw3bsit3 is also added to the block list ?

If they buy a new URL (which costs them money) ANET just adds that to the filter. If they have to buy URL's too often then they become unprofitable.

So a filter should work if ANET is willing to constantly maintain it.

noneedforclevernames

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Jay To Much [SrE]

Me/N

Why do people care about bots? Who cares if someone has more gold than you? They wasted there money in buying currency in a video game..they will never have girlfriends (Or boyfriends if it's a girl)..so let them have SOMETHING to look forward too.
And the people who spend hours to make bots...just to get them deleted and spend the time to make new accounts..let them go home every night to there mother and tell her that they made X amount of dollars by cheating in a video game.
Just my opinion i dunno..let losers be losers. It's not like Guild Wars is a serious game anyways..

Biostem

Biostem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by noneedforclevernames
Why do people care about bots? Who cares if someone has more gold than you? They wasted there money in buying currency in a video game..they will never have girlfriends (Or boyfriends if it's a girl)..so let them have SOMETHING to look forward too.
And the people who spend hours to make bots...just to get them deleted and spend the time to make new accounts..let them go home every night to there mother and tell her that they made X amount of dollars by cheating in a video game.
Just my opinion i dunno..let losers be losers. It's not like Guild Wars is a serious game anyways..
You have 2 types of botters; those that are unmanned programs running in a warehouse somewhere, and those that use sweatshop-like exploitative labor in a foreign country somewhere. Both are detrimental to the game, and the latter is morally reprehensible. Either way, they are attempting to make a profit off of the efforts of someone else, which they have absolutely no right to do. These aren't some kid who decides to grind as often as possible because he has no life, these are actual businesses. Buying gold from one of these sellers is really no different than buying a bootleg of a movie from some guy on the corner...

AuraofMana

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Georgia, US

Quote:
Originally Posted by noneedforclevernames
Why do people care about bots? Who cares if someone has more gold than you? They wasted there money in buying currency in a video game..they will never have girlfriends (Or boyfriends if it's a girl)..so let them have SOMETHING to look forward too.
And the people who spend hours to make bots...just to get them deleted and spend the time to make new accounts..let them go home every night to there mother and tell her that they made X amount of dollars by cheating in a video game.
Just my opinion i dunno..let losers be losers. It's not like Guild Wars is a serious game anyways..
Yes, that's exactly what everyone who makes bots or uses bot are like. You are telling other people they are a loser in a video game while you are playing the same one.
And, not everyone is ashamed of cheating. Some people are perfectly fine with whatever.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

Quote:
Originally Posted by noneedforclevernames
Why do people care about bots? Who cares if someone has more gold than you? They wasted there money in buying currency in a video game..they will never have girlfriends (Or boyfriends if it's a girl)..so let them have SOMETHING to look forward too.
And the people who spend hours to make bots...just to get them deleted and spend the time to make new accounts..let them go home every night to there mother and tell her that they made X amount of dollars by cheating in a video game.
Just my opinion i dunno..let losers be losers. It's not like Guild Wars is a serious game anyways..
If the bots didn't effect us, I doubt many of us would care. However they do effect us in two major areas:

1 - The spam the bots cause advertising their websites.

2 - Because they farm constantly, they bring more gold into the game than the average player would. This leads to inflation, which leads to people not being able to afford things, which leads even more people to buying gold. Currently ANET seems to have this under control.

And one minor issue: Bots in RA. It might be worse, except the bots seem better than the typical RA player (I don't RA).