GW's economy question

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
I love this poll's choices, XD.

I bet most people will pick #3.
Currently, you'd win that bet.

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

I'm looking at about 55K in storage after the event and deciding to dump some into 30 lockpicks, so I can't complain. I have the armor I want, my heros look good enough and do their jobs, so life is good.

Maria The Princess

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

i guess i can be considered as average

i have about at least million and a half in armors + weapons + mini pets all together, but i don't have 1 FOW set (only 1 chest piece for my monk, ill complete the set when i feel like farming again :P)

i have about 60ish k in storage at the moment, even tough i try to keep it at 100k at all times.

i don't have any stacks of ectos, but i have pretty much anything that i need, or the ability to farm for something i need thats out of my reach in a relatively short time.

so ya, i guess im average

ajicorath

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sensation O Seven

Mo/Me

Myself and my most used heroes are all kitted out with armour and weapons, not arsed about minipets etc.
Going for Legendary Skill Hunter though so god knows how much ive spent on Capsigs so far...plenty more to go!

quickmonty

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

I'm poor. Currently accepting donations in 10K increments.

Blonde Warrior

Blonde Warrior

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Psycho Titans[PT]

W/

I have absolutely no money left at all 0g in storage.

Aera Lure

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

Mo/

I dont know how to answer this poll. In general, most players dont seem to me to have enough gold. Ways to find more is the activity of the vast majority of players. I, on the other hand, always felt reasonably comfortable with the amount I've always had, though better back in the "old" days. By no means rich though.

All I seek these days is pudding anyway.

Pandora's box

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

I never have enough gold. I want to upgrade the equipment of all the heroes of all my chr's to the best and that takes tons of gold; Sup Vigor, Apptitude not appitude, and so on. Also I would like to get to max my lucky stats and the only way to do this is to get lots of lockpicks and have luck in onlocking chests... But it really takes tons of lockpicks so... Never enough gold!

Miska Bow

Miska Bow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

somewhere, Grinding some l33t titles

Order of the Divine WoodChuck

R/

I got 100k in storage with 2 set of elite EoTn armor, all my heroes are runed up and well equiped (green and gold max weapons), and i got about 60 green and/or rare gold weapons spread out on mules after 5 months of play.

I never buy anything from other players and rarely sale anything, i never buy lockpick and most of my drops goes to the merch except for rare nice stuff.

I use a lot of collectors weapons and armor in the beginning until i got better looking stuff from drops.

I guess you gotta be carefull on what you waste your gold on.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandora's box
I never have enough gold. I want to upgrade the equipment of all the heroes of all my chr's to the best and that takes tons of gold; Sup Vigor, Apptitude not appitude, and so on. Also I would like to get to max my lucky stats and the only way to do this is to get lots of lockpicks and have luck in onlocking chests... But it really takes tons of lockpicks so... Never enough gold!
lockpick=money sink

6am3 Fana71c

6am3 Fana71c

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Pudding is leading. Gogogo

DarkGanni

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

[CuTe]

E/

All my money is in items tbh, i rarely have more than 100k in storage I consider myself average when it comes to money.

- Ganni

Paloma Song

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

[JM]

Rt/R

I have around a million gold banked on my and my husband's accounts, down from about 1.2mil a week or two ago (bought some GWEN armor). I'd guess 50% is from getting lucky with and selling our first and second year minipets (5 characters old enough to get them the first week they're out, helps a lot.) Probably 30% from farming, most before the drop nerf, a little after. The last 20% from normal play and selling lucky drops and upgrades on the auction boards.

I'm not in a big guild, so I have no access to elite content really. Unlike a lot of people, I don't spend the bulk of my time on one pet character; I like to keep all 18 of our characters in my favorite armor sets, with my favorite weapon skins, and decked out in skills and elites. Most FOW armors are so ugly I wouldn't buy it even if it were 1k armor, so I save there too; likewise, I hate titles, and won't spend money on them. I don't buy things for prestige but rather for my own eyecandy. Basically, money I have banked will eventually be spent on something, but not till that character 'earns' it by finishing content.

I know I'm not even remotely an average player. The average casual player squeaks by on the pennies he got from that last quest. The average hardcore player drops a million gold like it was nothing and just figures he'll build it back later (and probably will). I try to balance 'frugal' with 'vanity' but I understand both extremes. You can't take it with you.

Little Shenanigan

Little Shenanigan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

i only have around ~100k. i consider myself quite poor compared to everyone here.

bring on the pudding please.

MisterB

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

I voted pudding.
500K is the most my storage has ever seen. Not rich by any means but way more than necessary for all my character's needs. Have ~350K, now.

creelie

creelie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Alberta

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Mo/

The most gold I ever had at once was just over 200k. I have a problem with impulse spending, and I absolutely love kitting out brand new characters.

I farmed a few things for my monk: Vabbian armor, Razah the hard way, and Legendary Skill Hunter. That was early last year. I haven't really farmed since; I've toyed with builds, but my heart's not in it. I'm trying to develop a gameplay cashflow - playing new characters through the campaigns, opening treasures every month, etc.

Just for the hell of it, I have a vague plan to fill up my monk's HoM. Titles and heroes are done (and then some). I still need 3 armors, 12 minipets, and 9 destroyer weapons. It's a long-term goal.

Basically, I have a certain amount of unnecessary bling, and am aiming to have more. However, I wouldn't even be playing the game if any of the bling was necessary. It's been a while since I posted this diagram, but it's still true:

Raithgason

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Demi God Of Apocallypse [Demi]

R/

I consider myself an avarage player. I don't have much money (around 20k in storage now), but i have a perfectly good reason for why i have that much. I am not good with money. I usually make like 70k all of sudden through drops or power trading at random points, but as soon as i earn that i would spend it only a useless set of 15k armor or other crap. My ranger has probably been through like 15 sets of 15k druid over the time i have had him. If i wasn't so careless, i would'vevoted i have enough money, but right now... i just want pudding.

Celestial_Kitsune

Celestial_Kitsune

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
I think the numbers were 80% and <20k
The amount of gold in storage is irrelevant. A better question, that is more difficult to answer though, is how much a person has in "assets".

Since the weapons and armor with max stats are very easy to acquire, people who don't have enough money are those who want too many shiny things :P

Darkobra

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

So our choices are: Rolling in cash or Stone Cold Broke. Where's the medium? The "I have enough to get me by"?

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

I'm by no means filthy rich, I tend to float around 100k or so. However, I haven't had to care about money for a long time now. I don't buy vanity items, although I do have a few sets of 15k I bought just because I could.

I don't farm, I don't buy anything, I give away all my rare items. I'm exempt from the economy.

master koa

master koa

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

A box.

W/R

I have a nice 0g in storage. Voted for the pudding.

jaymat

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2005

Lack of Talent [Luck]

who do i talk to for my pudding?

Arv X

Arv X

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Running Amok

Mo/

generally, i am poor, but thats because I'm an armor and title "rent girl".

on my monk I have well over 500k in weapons (and 250k of irretrievable FoW pants), but only 7ishk gold at any given time....I dont see a problem with that considering I only PvP anymore.

if I need to make money I can, and if I'm not hunting for a title I don't care how much I have. I find that with slavers hardmode around its mighty easy to obtain what you want in the game if you put some time in.

Angelina Collins

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

Heaven Royal Knights (HRK)

A/N

I love when ppl talk about having no gold, but they have ectos in storage and over two complete sets of FOW armor on characters. The reason is that they spend it as soon as they get it. Net worth is what the question should be. I love when one ppl complains to another saying I only have 55K in storage and 40 ectos to another who says he has 1000K in storage and no ectos, that he is poor and his friend with the maxed account should give him some money, after of course that ppl just finished buying his 4 set FOW armor. It's not the other ppl problem that he tends to save his money and only buy what he finds interesting. Who is the rich one, certainly not the ppl with a maxed account, it's the other ppl.

If you give any of those ppl who claim to have no money, money, it's spent in a day, sorry but stop your crying please.

Numa Pompilius

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by creelie
Q. F. T.

That graph is possibly the truest thing I've ever seen on Guildwarsguru.


EDIT: Any good tips on where to farm Schmold for the Pudding Collector?

Nevin

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

100 votes.

12 chars

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

rich and poor are really bad descriptors.

If a person has Party animal+drunkard+sweet tooth maxed, and 15k armor but has 0k+0ectos+0shards I wouldn't call that poor. <20k in the bank is kind of misleading.

Performance Pudding

Performance Pudding

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

post ascalon

Over The [Wall]

W/

well in my current guild every member except me has chaos gloves.

but since my character is the most wanted thing on the pole (pudding) i consider myself wealthyer and no i wont share

Craywulf

Craywulf

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Righteous and Honorable (RAH)

N/Me

I been a GW member since it's inception. I play casually about 20 hours a month, I don't own any elite armor. I've never had more than 22k across all ten of my characters. I don't deliberately farm. I usually sell all my drops to the merchant. I keep all my dyes, and have maybe 3 Ectos. None my characters have finished any of the campaigns. I'm halfway through prophecies.

I can't see myself ever acquiring more than 75k with just one of the ten characters I have. I don't always play the same character. I'm all over the place in each of their respective development.

Gold has never been a pivotal issue with me. I just save it for when I'm ready to buy something from the traders such as Runes, Insignias and of course armor.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Gold is a concern mainly to people who are vain about their appearence to others. Enough to them is never enough.

Enough gold to play the game is another question. Can you do it without player trading, or farming, and still compete with your skill alone? Yes, but what is enough for that?

Enough gold to be average is another question. Where is average? What is average?


There are far too many inturpretations of the question for this to be answered logically.

kartmaster

kartmaster

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kansas

Slayers of Worlds [SoW]

I'm not poor, but I sure ain't rich. I don't usually have a lot of gold on hand thanks to Vabbian Armor and my addiction to minipets. When I have a good amount of gold I find something to spend it on. Who cares, it's not like I gotta pay GW rent.

Magikarp

Magikarp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2007

[HAWK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
I think the numbers were 80% and <20k.

I believe it.

I feel bad for a lot of them sometimes. It's this mad weird paternal feeling I get. Then I realize they probably suck IRL so then I don't care.
was that really needed?


to the op:

the casual player, like my girfriend, who has never had more than 45k, gets by just fine if they can just apply simple budgeting to their purchases. money is really just to look cool, and even still, isn't hard to get at all in this game with a little trading skill.

Jennie

Jennie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Newfoundland, Canada

The City Below [Down]

R/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by jamal555
so that percentage is much lower... i think that ppl that play this for 8+ months and have less than 20k... are born wrong or just arent trying...
I ere on the side of just not trying. lol. I could easy have loads of gold if I wished (when I was a more active player I had loads but because of spending in titles and 15K armor never had a whole lot in storage... never let it get close to 100k without buying armor and stuff like black dye), but I know personally for me I just do causal play lately since I went back to univ and when I do make money I spend it on armor still (I like to think of my chars as dress up Barbies... lmao left over from childhood methinks.) but I don't think for most people its being born wrong or lacking in enough skill to even get to 20k..... imo most of the players here who have 100k+ are within average in this certain community that actively posts..... in the GW playing community as a whole they would be more wealthy. I've seen many people in guilds who don't even come close to that. I think the definition of "average" is certainly skewed on these boards. The very nature of the boards themselves would indicate that the people posting fall into a more dedicated category of players......

Hyprodimus Prime

Hyprodimus Prime

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Vancouver BC

Sorrow Masters

E/

Unless you know about an expensive item, you wont want to buy it. I dont think the majority of the GW population knows what an "armbrace" is, what a "mini mallyx" is worth or what "100k + 60e" means. Once they become aware of these expensive skins and want to get them, they now require money. People buy expensive armor, minis, weapons for 1 of 2 reasons; For glory (like showing off) or because they love their character so much and feel satisfaction when they achieve their goals. If you play fair then I find there isnt enough money. I dont count ebayers, dupers, scammers etc. I meet a lot of people who think 1-10k is a lot. I think its due to the fact that people are just ignorant. They dont know how much money is out there. They are ignorant about farm sites, ignorant on what to do, ignorant on current item prices, population psychology and sites like this. They just dont know where to start. I know for me, im ALWAYS late on the latest money trend. Ill find out at the last min about some prosperous farm run or overflowing mission run.

Things I missed out of because of my I simply had no idea they could be so prosperous:

-Droks run (back when it was 10k)
-Titan Gem farming (when titan gems were 100k +)
-Pre-nerf UW runs (when a smite run dropped 3 + ectos every run....and when ecto prices were above 10k)
-Mines of Morah run (when it was 3k a run)
-Raptor farming (I JUST tried it out, I love it)
Im almost at my first FoW armor. I think I could have done it faster if I had been informed earlier on. But I guess the fun is in the journey, finding out about all these new builds, runs and concepts and trying them out.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
If a person has Party animal+drunkard+sweet tooth maxed, and 15k armor but has 0k+0ectos+0shards I wouldn't call that poor. <20k in the bank is kind of misleading.
Ya, I use this to my advantage. If a guildie I dont like asks me for cash. I say I only have like 5k. Its true because I keep all my cash in the form of ectos, shards, armbrace and weapons. Its energy hiding for your cash. You let it, "regen" while no one can burn it. If you invest in the right things, particularly minis (like the pig), they only get rarer over time. See Guild Wars teaches us how to save money and have patience to get the things we want.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by creelie
Too bad that graph doesn't apply so well to "Time>Skill" anymore.

Kusandaa

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

Being rich or poor varies so much... I remember when I started playing this, and got my first 10k. Wow. I was happy. When I got my first 50k, WOW. I never thought I'd be able to go over the 100k bar, then the 200k, and so on. Let's face it, I'm no powertrader and no extremely hardcore farmer, but I make cash at a decent rate...

... For my own "needs" (I'm an armor freak and well, I like having around 100k in storage in case of). What seems to me like a big amount is a VERY big amount to another guy, and only a fraction of what yet another guy has. It's all relative in the end.

I find goals, farm for the cash, buy, find another goal, farm some more... I've been functioning like this for nearly 3 years. To me, all it takes to get cash is dedication to that goal.

EDIT: Pudding over gold any day of the week.

CHannum

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

W/E

For me, although I don't have enough to do everything I'd like right this second, that's perfectly fine. As was pointed out, you don't need money for the most part, and it's a great system.

I only started in November, get to play at least some almost every day, have managed to get max armor for the five characters I've gotten to play that far in the game and have more than enough on hand for the other five when I get around to moving them forward in their game careers.

The most I ever had was about 119 plat right at the peak of me running Canthan New Year quests this past weekend. Then 20K for a celestial rat and 20K worth of tickets later and it's back below the 100 mark, but it will come back.

I don't have "enough" money, but that's a good thing. When the time comes that I don't feel like there's anything I still want to do, that's when I'll shelve the game and move onto something else.

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Should have added one more choice for your poll.

If I need gold I run CoF for tips.

Started today with 80k and currently have 120k, sold a shield on guru auction and ran CoF three times for tips. Made something like 40k in three hours. Bad part, before the weekend had 350k, spent three solid days on the afk rings.

I do have one gold sink, I kind of like the z-chest. I feel like kicking the thing everytime I open it, but I keep coming back for more.

cellardweller

cellardweller

Likes naked dance offs

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

If skills were 50-100g I'd vote 1, until they're reasonably priced I'm sticking with 2.

obastable

obastable

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/

I get nervous when I have less than 200k in storage & stop buying things.

Some might think I was "rich" in game. I have multiple characters all will multiple sets of elite armors, a few sets of FoW, a mule full of minis, a handful of "rare" weapons, and a nearly full materials storage.

Compared to the rich & famous of GW I'm just a scrub.

I don't buy a lot of things, but I do tend to buy "expensive" things. The only title I've got that required loosening my purse strings involved buying 130 cap sigs.

I don't farm much, I'm not a power trader, but I DO absolutely pick up and merchant every single last drop I get. Been doing that for nearly 3 years & it's bought me just about everything I've ever wanted in game.

Hyprodimus Prime

Hyprodimus Prime

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Vancouver BC

Sorrow Masters

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by R.Shayne
I do have one gold sink, I kind of like the z-chest. I feel like kicking the thing everytime I open it, but I keep coming back for more.
Gambling...I was a victim too at the New Years festival. 400 fortunes....and finally 1 rat (only worth 20k now QQ)