Last year there were Lunar Fortune Traders that were available for a week after the event ended. I was still collecting the tokens but when I went to go and look for the trader they wern't there?
Unless I'm thinking about another event, but I'm certain they were there for a while after that :S
No Lunar Traders this year?
Terra Xin
Solas
think youre thinking about the demon festival thing, it was advertised that it would end monday so you were givin a nice bit of time.
but i heard about this happening to a few so anet may inplement it for this weekend, only the npcs..maybe beetle races too
but i heard about this happening to a few so anet may inplement it for this weekend, only the npcs..maybe beetle races too
Free Runner
If i recall correctly there was a Lunar Gift giver (5 tokens = 1 Red Gift Bag) hanging around last year. However this year the trader was present in the festival so they didnt add it.
GEXTE
They should bring the collectors back for a few days. People were playing games till the last minutes and when it ended they couldn't exchange their lunar tokens they won.
The end of the event was announced, but collectors aren't really an event, are they?!?
Many people complained about the collectors being gone so fast. I know it was announced and all, but bringing them back for a few days wouldn't harm anybody. Just the collectors, not the rest.
The end of the event was announced, but collectors aren't really an event, are they?!?
Many people complained about the collectors being gone so fast. I know it was announced and all, but bringing them back for a few days wouldn't harm anybody. Just the collectors, not the rest.
stretchs
agreed wholeheartedly, events with tradeables should allow a 1-2 day of traders afterwards, especially if you are going to leave the decorations up longer than the event's ending
BabyJ
The games stopped at 12pm PST and the collectors were still there till noon the next day. There was time to trade in your tokens.
Cymbrogi
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The games stopped at 12pm PST and the collectors were still there till noon the next day. There was time to trade in your tokens.
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So at least from my experience, there was NOT a trader present until noon the day after the event ended - unless I'm mistaken on the understanding the event ended at Noon PST on Monday.
*shrug*
Kha
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They should bring the collectors back for a few days. People were playing games till the last minutes and when it ended they couldn't exchange their lunar tokens they won.
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It's bad enough that the horrible lag on Saturday wiped out whole sections of Dragon Arena and wasted a lot of people's time. I didn't even get my next rank cause of all the DCs and everyone being kicked from the place.
BabyJ
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I went to bed Sunday night and didn't even look at GW until Monday evening.............So at least from my experience, there was NOT a trader present until noon the day after the event ended
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unless I'm mistaken on the understanding the event ended at Noon PST on Monday.
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Shadowmoon
If you haven't notice, Anet has a step father view of events. Mean enough to take all the presents away but lazy enough to leave all the decorations.
jk:P
jk:P
Cyn Blackraven
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The event ended on sunday...the next day is monday, at least thats how it works out on my calender.
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Monday, February 11th, Noon PST (20:00 GMT): Announced end of the festival.
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Yawgmoth
This time at least it was expected - After this Wintersday when exactly the same happened.
I went to Lions Arch to exchange my 4 or 5 full stacks of candy shards and saw all the even NPCs including the Gift Giver gone.
I was like WTF last year gift giver NPC stayed for over a week after! And I didn't even load the update!
Then I remembered that Kamadan was about 10 minutes late with everything during this event, zoned there and the shard collector was still there! He disappeared a couple minutes later after I finished exchanging. GG, no shards cluttering my storage for a year
But it shouldn't be like that, people just play the game, enjoy the event and minigames, then finding themselves unable to exchange the rewards.
I saw A LOT of disappointed players in Shing Jea this year when they came to exchange their Lunar Tokens. I feel it's just wrong and that one collector should stay for at least a couple days longer.
I went to Lions Arch to exchange my 4 or 5 full stacks of candy shards and saw all the even NPCs including the Gift Giver gone.
I was like WTF last year gift giver NPC stayed for over a week after! And I didn't even load the update!
Then I remembered that Kamadan was about 10 minutes late with everything during this event, zoned there and the shard collector was still there! He disappeared a couple minutes later after I finished exchanging. GG, no shards cluttering my storage for a year
But it shouldn't be like that, people just play the game, enjoy the event and minigames, then finding themselves unable to exchange the rewards.
I saw A LOT of disappointed players in Shing Jea this year when they came to exchange their Lunar Tokens. I feel it's just wrong and that one collector should stay for at least a couple days longer.
IlikeGW
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The games stopped at 12pm PST and the collectors were still there till noon the next day. There was time to trade in your tokens.
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cosyfiep
if they leave the decorations up they should leave the reward npc there as well, not sure why they take them away as its not a big thing to change the npc removal to coincide with the decoration removal instead of the event end. (and after the amount of anger after the end of the last event I thought they would have learned to just leave them there----guess not)
Parson Brown
I remember a post from Gaile saying that everything would vanish at noon on Monday.
If you're worried about the casuals, I'm sure they traded everything in before going to bed on Sunday night. AFKing =/= casual
(I just planned my tickets so I would run out before noon. I wound up with 8 left when I got home from work.)
If you're worried about the casuals, I'm sure they traded everything in before going to bed on Sunday night. AFKing =/= casual
(I just planned my tickets so I would run out before noon. I wound up with 8 left when I got home from work.)
stretchs
Tickets arent the issue as they have resale value, we are speaking of the exchange for Lunar Tokens and Victory Tokens. Both of which have no resale and just sit in your inventory until it comes back again
wanmoke
The removal of collector's doesn't require a new build, thus it's easier. They're set to a timer to disappear at 12 noon PST. The decorations is altering scenery, and thus, requires a new build to remove. I'm pretty sure Gaile has said this somewhere in a thread.
itsvictor
Not everyone lives in the appropriate time zone and has other obligations then getting to the collector before the event ends, I myself had to sleep early and left after winning in Dragon Arena. 93 tokens sitting in storage...despite having advanced notice doesn't mean you can still make it unless you concrete-make your schedule. It'd be nice if they brought it back for people to trade in their tokens...
Gaile Gray
Hello,
Ya know? No matter how much time we allow -- a half-day, a couple of days, a week -- we are asked to bring back the collectors after every festival.
But hey, I understand -- I was in the event until the end, and I did end up with some unexchanged tokens myself.
As to the request: We cannot bring back the traders or collectors for this last event. It's simply not possible for us to roll them back out, as they are intertwined with event elements that we do not wish to restore. There are programming details involved in the events, as you can imagine. The decorations are one element. The mini-games (like Dragon Arena) and the collectors form another. It's not possible to disconnect the currently-connected elements, with regret.
I have passed along comments from players about how it would be nice to extend the time of the collectors, and the design team has responded that they will look into seeing if it is possible in the future. But whether that is possible or not, we'll do our best to communicate timelines for you -- as we did prior to this event -- so that you have the information that you need to make your exchanges. And do remember: The lunar tokens will be not expire. So if you want to do so, you're ok to hold onto them and exchange them next year.
Ya know? No matter how much time we allow -- a half-day, a couple of days, a week -- we are asked to bring back the collectors after every festival.
But hey, I understand -- I was in the event until the end, and I did end up with some unexchanged tokens myself.As to the request: We cannot bring back the traders or collectors for this last event. It's simply not possible for us to roll them back out, as they are intertwined with event elements that we do not wish to restore. There are programming details involved in the events, as you can imagine. The decorations are one element. The mini-games (like Dragon Arena) and the collectors form another. It's not possible to disconnect the currently-connected elements, with regret.
I have passed along comments from players about how it would be nice to extend the time of the collectors, and the design team has responded that they will look into seeing if it is possible in the future. But whether that is possible or not, we'll do our best to communicate timelines for you -- as we did prior to this event -- so that you have the information that you need to make your exchanges. And do remember: The lunar tokens will be not expire. So if you want to do so, you're ok to hold onto them and exchange them next year.
cosyfiep
funny has they were around a lot longer last year----after the events ended, which is why people are whining about it this year---Anet changed it so that they disappeared at a certain time---which was different when the event was last ran (run?).....why the change??? is what is being asked.
Gaile Gray
If I remember correctly: Last year they went away with the end of the mini-games, which caused quite an outcry. This year they were around longer than last year's Canthan New Year Festival, actually. There was an event when the collectors were around for about a week -- perhaps that was the dragon Festival? However, the designers felt that having the NPCs in place that long was an unnecessarily lengthy extention of event time, and they prefer to keep things on a tighter timeline in the future.
Roo Ella
IMO remove Everything 2 to 6 hours after the last event
Decorations NPC's ect
Remove quests giving from the npc's at the end of last event but allow us to cash in the rewards up to removal don't leave us trying to get the reward after they gone and just have no alternative but to abandon the quest.
Would save people logging in 12 hours later or whatever and seeing decos and npcs then asking when is next event.
Hope that all made sense haven't had me coffee yet.
Decorations NPC's ect
Remove quests giving from the npc's at the end of last event but allow us to cash in the rewards up to removal don't leave us trying to get the reward after they gone and just have no alternative but to abandon the quest.
Would save people logging in 12 hours later or whatever and seeing decos and npcs then asking when is next event.
Hope that all made sense haven't had me coffee yet.
nitetime
I would consider myself to be more informed then the average GW player and I had no idea that when I got home from work Monday the traders would be gone.
afk on nine rings, went to bed, got up went to work...got home, traders gone? Theres needs to be atleast a full day after event for the traders imo.
afk on nine rings, went to bed, got up went to work...got home, traders gone? Theres needs to be atleast a full day after event for the traders imo.
Ephidel
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Hello,
Ya know? No matter how much time we allow -- a half-day, a couple of days, a week -- we are asked to bring back the collectors after every festival. But hey, I understand -- I was in the event until the end, and I did end up with some unexchanged tokens myself. |
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As to the request: We cannot bring back the traders or collectors for this last event. It's simply not possible for us to roll them back out, as they are intertwined with event elements that we do not wish to restore. There are programming details involved in the events, as you can imagine. The decorations are one element. The mini-games (like Dragon Arena) and the collectors form another. It's not possible to disconnect the currently-connected elements, with regret.
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However, the designers felt that having the NPCs in place that long was an unnecessarily lengthy extention of event time, and they prefer to keep things on a tighter timeline in the future.
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Gaile Gray
I'm no genius designer, nor programmer, either. And I never, ever make assumptions about "simple code" or "tiniest amount of resources" because I do lack that background and I know and admit it. (So, I would boldly state, does 90% and more of our playerbase. ) I'm closer to knowing about how this sort of thing works than most players, and I do know this: If it were trivial, we would do it.
You have suggestions, and I appreciate that -- we all do. But I want to ask that you please keep them in the tone of suggestions, and don't move into the area of demands. The easiest thing is to do a build, remove everything and be done with it. The fact that we are not is concession to trying to meet different, and sometimes conflicting, needs and desires.
From the official events page: "The Canthan New Year's Festival event begins at Noon Pacific (-8 GMT) on Friday, February 8, 2008 and will run all weekend, ending at Noon Pacific (-8 GMT) on Monday, February 11, 2008." Note: "ending at Noon," which seems a pretty clear message. The problem may be not that we did the wrong thing here, but that we erred in the past in generously extending the time for the collectors beyond the announced end. If it's clearer, and better, we can certainly do a cohesive and final time for everything and that may clear up some of the mistaken expectations.
But I think that everyone appreciates having a bit of time past the final event's wrap-up, and as I said to begin with, if it's truly possible for us to make a change, we will definitely consider it.
) I'm closer to knowing about how this sort of thing works than most players, and I do know this: If it were trivial, we would do it.You have suggestions, and I appreciate that -- we all do. But I want to ask that you please keep them in the tone of suggestions, and don't move into the area of demands. The easiest thing is to do a build, remove everything and be done with it. The fact that we are not is concession to trying to meet different, and sometimes conflicting, needs and desires.
From the official events page: "The Canthan New Year's Festival event begins at Noon Pacific (-8 GMT) on Friday, February 8, 2008 and will run all weekend, ending at Noon Pacific (-8 GMT) on Monday, February 11, 2008." Note: "ending at Noon," which seems a pretty clear message. The problem may be not that we did the wrong thing here, but that we erred in the past in generously extending the time for the collectors beyond the announced end. If it's clearer, and better, we can certainly do a cohesive and final time for everything and that may clear up some of the mistaken expectations.
But I think that everyone appreciates having a bit of time past the final event's wrap-up, and as I said to begin with, if it's truly possible for us to make a change, we will definitely consider it.
Terra Xin
This is in contradiction to what you've claimed, but I logged in yesterday to find that the prizegiver for the top 100 rollerbeetle winners still there, (including the NPC in Shing Jea who still gave access to that outpost to get to the Rewards NPC.) That's what originally prompted me to post here when I couldn't find the Lunar traders. If it was an oversight then OK, but it raises a big speculation against what you've said so far.
It would have been the dragon festival that I was thinking about, where there was a collector that stayed a week after the event ended. I think that was a good idea, because as I understand, the collector was there but the minigames were unavailable? This ensured that the casual gamers wouldn't have to come into the game at a certain time to empty their tokens in exchange for the reward. I would've thought that the reception of that idea was good, but if it wasn't, then that's just too bad for us, really.
It doesn't bother me to have two stacks of tokens in my inventory. I also knew exactly what time the event was to end, I was just confused about the situation that the collecters had. It's like saying why you have collectors available at the beginning of the event, when you know that it'll be a while before people actually start using them. If it takes time to stock up on tokens to be exchanged, then it would also take a while to exchange it themselves.
But thanks a heap for taking this issue into consideration, that's really helpful.
This is why it's handy to just ignore the people whom you know have no idea what they are talking about, and focus on the ones that actually want to know
It would have been the dragon festival that I was thinking about, where there was a collector that stayed a week after the event ended. I think that was a good idea, because as I understand, the collector was there but the minigames were unavailable? This ensured that the casual gamers wouldn't have to come into the game at a certain time to empty their tokens in exchange for the reward. I would've thought that the reception of that idea was good, but if it wasn't, then that's just too bad for us, really.
It doesn't bother me to have two stacks of tokens in my inventory. I also knew exactly what time the event was to end, I was just confused about the situation that the collecters had. It's like saying why you have collectors available at the beginning of the event, when you know that it'll be a while before people actually start using them. If it takes time to stock up on tokens to be exchanged, then it would also take a while to exchange it themselves.
But thanks a heap for taking this issue into consideration, that's really helpful.
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But I want to ask that you please keep them in the tone of suggestions, and don't move into the area of demands.
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Ephidel
Passing over that oddly-worded jab at me...
Sorry about that, Gaile. I sort of overreacted on the matter. I didn't mean to make it sound like a demand or anything. I guess all of the complaints I kept seeing on the forums got to me, and I wanted some answers. Since you've affirmed that it's not a trivial matter, I guess I have no place to talk.
No harm done, I hope.
Sorry about that, Gaile. I sort of overreacted on the matter. I didn't mean to make it sound like a demand or anything. I guess all of the complaints I kept seeing on the forums got to me, and I wanted some answers. Since you've affirmed that it's not a trivial matter, I guess I have no place to talk.
No harm done, I hope.
shoyon456
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If I remember correctly: Last year they went away with the end of the mini-games, which caused quite an outcry. This year they were around longer than last year's Canthan New Year Festival, actually. There was an event when the collectors were around for about a week -- perhaps that was the dragon Festival? However, the designers felt that having the NPCs in place that long was an unnecessarily lengthy extention of event time, and they prefer to keep things on a tighter timeline in the future.
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Anyways, thanks for posting gaile and clarifying some of this up... if only you did this for some of the more dicey threads :P
Ascalon Runner
Why not just add a lunar token collector and victory token collector to Sunqua Vale whenever someone in the party has the aforementioned items in their inventory? It might take a little programing effort but once it's done, the Guild Wars programing team might never have to touch that particular line of code again.
vixro
I knew the event would end at noon, because that's what it said on the front page. I was sure to turn in all my tokens around 11:45am. This gave me enough time to play what games I wanted to do and use the traders before they disappeared. When they went away at noon, was I surprised at all? No, because that's when Anet said they'd go away.
All I'm mad about is repeat names on the beetle racer list taking up space for those that would have placed top 100 and got a mini if it were unique players. Either way, as Gaile has said, if it were a simple fix it would be done.
All I'm mad about is repeat names on the beetle racer list taking up space for those that would have placed top 100 and got a mini if it were unique players. Either way, as Gaile has said, if it were a simple fix it would be done.
Oink The Pig
It definitely seems problematic that the methods of receiving tokens stay open until the announced end of the event, but the method of disposing of them leave at the exact same time. People's natural inclination is to continue engaging in those activities until the very end, particularly when one such activity can lead to a very rare miniature (Rollerbeetle Racing). At the end of that activity, they are left with a bunch of items in their inventory that they can no longer get rid of, but which they don't want to trash because of the value they hold at the next event.
I can understand keeping the Rollerbeetle Racing NPC around so winners could collect their Rewards, but I think most people don't understand why the same courtesy couldn't have been extended to everyone else with regards to the Lunar Tokens, particularly when the towns remain decorated. In addition, in the distant past, a new build would signal the end of an event, and some people still seem stuck on that.
I think future events might run smoother if there's an announced end to the quests/minigames/etc. that produce items that can only be traded in during the event, and then an announced end to when those quest givers and collectors (and, in this case, Lucky Hochei to dispose of loose tokens) would be leaving that's anywhere from 1-12 hours later. One hour would let people just to get out of whatever they were in and cash things in, while up to 12 hours would let people who forgot to cash things in the night before to log in when they get home to dispose of the items.
This sort of staggering seems especially important if there's ever another event that provides collectible items that are never ever used again (hello, Jade Wind Orbs).
I can understand keeping the Rollerbeetle Racing NPC around so winners could collect their Rewards, but I think most people don't understand why the same courtesy couldn't have been extended to everyone else with regards to the Lunar Tokens, particularly when the towns remain decorated. In addition, in the distant past, a new build would signal the end of an event, and some people still seem stuck on that.
I think future events might run smoother if there's an announced end to the quests/minigames/etc. that produce items that can only be traded in during the event, and then an announced end to when those quest givers and collectors (and, in this case, Lucky Hochei to dispose of loose tokens) would be leaving that's anywhere from 1-12 hours later. One hour would let people just to get out of whatever they were in and cash things in, while up to 12 hours would let people who forgot to cash things in the night before to log in when they get home to dispose of the items.
This sort of staggering seems especially important if there's ever another event that provides collectible items that are never ever used again (hello, Jade Wind Orbs).
Burning Blade
looks like my 70 lunar tokens going to recycle bin 
stretchs
I understand a week is a bit too long, but 24hrs after the event's end allows everyone in all timezones at least time to get rid of their remaining items. Many of us may have idled overnight and didnt get a chance to relieve ourselves of quite a few things that have no value except during that festival. If the event ended at noon pacific time, that is 2pm cst where i live and most if not all people would have had school/work on Monday so we wouldnt have been able to get rid of those excess items.
Just my 2cents
Just my 2cents
Dryndalyn
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I too was stuck in the same situation... in fact last week i ended up trashing 300 or so jade orbs because there was simply no convenient place to keep them anymore.
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