Revive the old "elite missions"

Okay i dont know if anyone posted something like this allready if so feel free to lock or remove.

DoA is the "best" way to make money of all elite missions. But where is the love for the older elite missions.

The deep and urgoz had chests added in the end. Though the drops were getting comon pretty soon. Should they add new items to the chests? new greens? new golds?

Tombs is imo an elite of Tyria. Every elite mission got a chest for either finishing all quests and for ending the mission... Why didnt tombs get a chest?

Agree or disagree please post your ideas here.

Tombs is, in my opinion, ridiculously easy. Any B/P team with a halfway decent puller and a monk can absolutely destroy the tombs. I have done neither DoA, Urgoz, or the Deep, so I can't really comment on those.

But I agree, chests need to be ended to make the trip more worthwhile. The Tomb's greens just are not going for premium price anymore.

/agree

they should revamp these areas, as they are very good for premoting, cross playing/interaction

the worst thing they ever done was bring out heros it has killed "teamwork"
i used to love the deep and urgoz now i dont botheras it takes too long for nothing and i think anet must be blind as EVERONE who is anyone are all doing DOA, they really need to try and level out these areas so certian items arent over farmed, which kills the economy after all it would be great to see all the peeps that used armbrace scam do it for nothing, and a old area become leet again!

Tombs too easy thats why but id like some New golds for urgoz JUST NOT INSCRIABLE ONE FFFS

Tombs doesnt worth adding a chest, it allready worth shit for a hour run. Niether doa will be best way to make cash, but it'll take twice longer since there are twice better/more weapons.
The problem anet did is limiting the way for peoples to make money to one option, grind.

Remove the scroll system in urgoz and deep and have fun with pug.

The tomb might not have a chest but you get some nice greens upon finishing it.

Asking Anet to "fix" the falling value of rare items by adding more rare items will not fix the "price problem". In 6 month those new rare item will have been over farm to and we'll be back to square one.
Anet is in no way responsible for the over-farming of green and gold weapons. Asking them to "nerf" some area will not resolve anything either. We will find a way around the "nerf" and the problem will come back.

I'm not blaming farmers for wanting to make some fast plats, i'm just stating a fact.

We as a community inflicted this problem on ourself and we got no one else to blame but ourself.

Sad but true.

I dont blame Anet for any of this tho.. but how would you see how an "older" elite can be revived???

Special luxon weapons wich require jade and special kurzick weapons wich require amber? a bit like them destroyer weapons?

That would be a viable solution, since the price of those could not go down the drain like the price of most greens.

Ex.: A destroyer bow cost around 50k with materials. i cant hardly see some one selling those for 10k.

Might be a nice way to introduce those contest weapons to the game. Would prevent the first one to be drop from being sale for 567 gazillion gold, and then in 6 months having everybody saling them to merch because the skin became too commun.

The OP isn't a suggestion, and this thread is a discussion. Moved to Riverside.

imo I think should receive urgoz and the deep, like DoA their own outposts, where players would find also some new NPC's.

NPC's similar to those in DoA... some traders, which would give to player special new weapons and and/or an valuable item, like the armbrace of truth and the coffer of whispers, which can give you something out of a random list of items, where also rare minipets would be under...

I think, the Deep and Urgoz should be the elite missions for those rare asian minipets for a unlimited source for those minipets - the rarest ones have then drop rate, like ghostly hero or mallyx then...

each elite area would have then some own minipets.

The Elia area of Kanaxai would provide then such special items, like the armbraces/coffers, which would have the chance to drop minis like:

Mini-Kanaxai
Mini-Shiroken
Mini-Vizu
Mini-Yeti
Mini-Naga


while in the other elite area would players have the chance to get through those items a

Mini-Urgoz
Mini-Zhed
Mini-Panda/Polar Bear
Mini-Oni
Mini-Grawl

For beating both elite areas more then 10 times, the player would receive as present from an other NPC then a Mini-Leviathan ^^

I think, when this would be made by ANet, then those 2 elite ares would be instantly stormed by massive floods of players and those elite ares would become equal aboit interest from players to go to them to play those elite areas more often, other then going only into DoA for making money

prophecies hat no own elite area, it has only the "core" elite areas, the underworld and the fissure of woe...imo very sad ..

Prophecies should receive as its own elite area a new realm of the gods... I'd love to see the realm of dwayna or melandru.

Dwayna's realm could be the Sacred Sky Empire of the Gods, where players could explore then the Holy Temple of Dwayna and the other Temples and Pallaces of the other Gods to search the gods for their divine courage tests the players have to fulfill to become immortal (For Grenth the player would have to solve the Underworld, he would have no temple or so in Dwayna's realm)

This Elite Area coulld be reached then only by 1 way... a group of players which wants to reach the outpost (a temple on a floating Island Ring in the Sky) thrrough ending a new elite dungeon, whoch would have 25 Stages !!!

It would be the Divine Tree of Life Yggdrasill A huge Tree Dungeon, which would be protected by the Elfes (there were Dwarfs in GW, there are Centaurs in GW..so there also must live somewhere Elfes in a divine forest, they must not be playable, but at least somewhere exist in the game world, living very isolated from the humans and other races.

For entering their sacred lands, they could be even Enemies XD
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Melandru's Realm could be a huge forest maze, again with a new elite dungeon, guess what it will be ? right..again the Tree of Life Yggdrasill ^^.....so 2 different realm concepts around the Tree of Life Yggdrasill.. I want to see the tree ingame ^^, it woudl be automatically the biggest imaginable dungeon of all ^^, getting up from its roots to its crown and fight then there some huge bird bosses, the Garuda, the Quetzalcoatl and the Rokh (Roc), and Feng Huang, which would be Warrior/Paragon, Ele/Dervish and Monk/Ritualist and Mesmer/Assassin based bosses

Quetzalcoatl > Ele/Dervish
Turul > Mesmer/Assasin
Roc > Warrior/Paragon
Feng Huang > Monk/Mesmer
Garuda > Ranger/Ele
Elwetrisch > Necromancer/Ritualist

(all names of mythological birds of different mythologies, ok, the Quetzalcoatl has a splitrtet view, soem see him as weather bird, others as snake ...)

Howeve,r those special huge bird bosses would be the guardians of the Tree of Life Yggdrasill


what do you think about these concepts ?

agree, they should add something to make these elite missions morei nteresting, as otherwise its not worth it... you spend 2hours~ for urgoz, then open the chest and get req13 crap skin... c'mon, its just rediculous(wrong spelling ftw:P)... not sure what they should do, but something must be done for sure... i know they are busy with GW2, but there is still GW out and its still their game!

and about kurz/luxon armors, i agree, it would be the best way to add contest items, tho there would probably be the problem that kurzicks can only buy kurz weps and luxons only lux weps(NPC wont trade with player of opposite faction)- still this can make market a bit more active, as kurzicks will be buying lux weps and luxons kuz weps. and maybe... these 2 traders could be added at the end of urgoz/the deep, after you kill kanaxai or urgoz the weaon trader would spawn and you can trade yu mats for wep then... would make both missions more interesting again and players will come there again.

~Horus

O_O How about the people with out factions? O_O I want the weapons from design a weapon contest I especially like the dragon shield in the honorable mentions which i believe should of been in the top finals

/signed, but Tombs are too easy. I think that Ring of Fire is harder. I mean, I can in an hour clear Tombs with h/h.

Me, Splinter Barrage R/Rt with pet.
N/Mo from Sabway hero
2x Splinter Barrage R/Rt's with pets heroes
Healer hench
Healer hench
Fire hench
Fire hench

And it's easy. Even easier in 2 people.

The Deep And Urgoz should be open access, no scroll and no town ownership. I always hated the limited access to these areas.

Also, allow the use of H/H in them.

It's a shame the best suggestion seems to be to add new stuff. There was once a time when people did an elite mission for fun, not more e-peen stuff. Ah well.

what about those ppl without access to NF? they cant get tormented weps but can buy them from others... what about those without access to EotN? they cant craft their own destroyer weps, but can buy them from others... Actualy Factions deserve their own unique weapon crafter... and if they would require jadeites or ambers, they should be harder to get, not with faction points... Weapons would be acquired too easily... maybe some new drops in the deep and in urgoz... to craft something which can be traded for weapons...

The whole point of campaigns is that there is added material and unique things to each and everyone.

I would really like to see the drops in Urgoz and the Deep become inscribable. That would drive me to grind Urgoz again like I used to. It may even motivate me to resurrect FooL as a Hfff guild and bring back the faction wars of old, when guild faction meant more than just reduced lockpick prices.

Bring incribable weapons to Urgoz!!! FTW!!! and watch it fill up with twelve man Ursaway teams in a matter of seconds. lol...

Seriously, bring inscriptions to Urgoz, Deep, UW, and FOW. It isn't like it would tip the balance of the game.

How about actually opening up the outpost area to Deep and Urgoz? Not everyone wants to waste money buying stupid scrolls to find out that the outpost is empty. How bad decisions ANET can make, I mean really?

mm i kinda like that amber thingy it would raise their price maybe bit that mini thing is just.. Stupid it would ruin all rare minis.. But yeah i dont mind that hard getting urgoz cause my guild owns Hzh -.-

I would love to see Urgoz busy again I really had a lot of fun there back in the days

Tombs still has a good crowd as does SF but something new might be nice

Go say that in the thread on Sardelac, and see how long until Yawgmoth rips into you...

I agree, though.

You need to be able to draw people together in a way that will encourage groups trying difficult areas they are not familiar with.

When you could farm the vamps in Urgoz there were large groups there because of the easy farming. But, as farmer got bored, many of them would form groups to try the mission out. You don't dare just "tryout" UW or FoW or you lose your entrance fee if you fail. You don't dare go to urgoz or deep to look for a group because you won't find enough people and you will have wasted your scroll.

Maybe they need to have a single staging area for all the elite missions. A place where you can choose do do any of them and where, if you wipe, you return to instead of being kicked out.

Then people going for the easy ones like TPK would also be in a spot where they could join up with groups who are tutoring the harder ones or get a pug to try out something they have never done before.

Basically, elite missions are and will remain dead until you can entice enough people into them to make forming a group a reasonable probability.

I don't mind throwing away the entrance fee to UW or FOW to try it. They aren't that hard to do so odds of not getting your moneys worth are slim.

Urgoz and he Deep - well I wouldn't waste a scroll knowing nobody is there - they need to do Elite mission days or something for them.

Perhaps we can make an Urgoz Day - Saturday or Sunday all day long?

i don't pay mind to angry posters

DOA gem prices dropped fast AFTER UB's farming the heck outta it

That's actually something good. If they drop low enough, people will start getting them to use them instead to sell them.

Get to use >>>> Get to sell.

You have to admit that UB made gems available to the market in general. Previously, DoA was dead and only farmed by like ten guilds/alliances that I remember. I don't know much about European or Asian guilds, so if there are more than ten American/Canadian guilds, then you anyone can chirp in on them. DoA used to take an eternity to complete... and HM was something that no one wanted to waste their time on.

I just hate where the sell is at with gems now. It sucks.

Okay but this thread is about the other elites

Why not just allowing PvP traders access to the areas. Possibly as a drop for PvP players a celestial signet?

Require NF, Factions, Proph respectively for the missions?

I really don't like Phoenix Tears idea of just adding more minipets.
I still think the Deep and Urgoz are tons of fun. I just don't expect to go without a good alliance/guild group. If you want to do them, you still can. You can't "force" people to go back to older content. People stoped playing (read, not farm) UW/SF/Tombs/Urgoz/etc because they got bored with it becuase it is older content. People will always gravitate towards the newer zones.

URSAN LFP DEEP ;
URSAN 10 LFP URGOZ ;
URSAN LFP TOMBS ;

no thx =)

I agree. I really like the mini Oni and the mini Shiro'Ken, but because they're a limited quantity high end item most players will never see it.

/signed to give us the option to acquire these items by playing the game itself instead of sitting around power-trading or getting lucky in a contest.

Deep and Urgoz can be easily done without UB builds... Im positive the deep can be done faster without Ursan then with..

Deep and Urgoz are missions you can do in a casual way cuz they are not too long and both fun to do.. The reason i made this thread is to see if there are ways to motivate people to do these missions more

Yeah, but UB is more idiot proof for the Deep. So even if another way is better, it won't be used.

Tombs: Stupidly easy. A B/P team can beat it in like half (sometimes one third) of the time a normal party can do it. People only B/P that place now, IMO it doesn't deserve a chest. The Phantom Chests still yield some fair stuff, the Greens are worth some value, the whites there are usually worth 70g+ (usually 100g+) apiece, not to mention the potental for ectos.

Urgoz/The Deep: In all truth I never bothered with these missions, as soon as I got Factions (and NF, I got Proph Dec. 2005 then went on a hiatus in late 2006 then bought Factions and NF at the same time in June 2007) and beat it, I was like "THANK GOD IT'S OVER! *loads up Nightfall*". It should be open access though, the whole town ownership idea is bullshit anyway because the main towns rarely change ownership anyway, and the elite areas are PvE yet the access is based on PvP? WTFBBQ!

FoW and UW are just fine IMO, they have and always will be. They are always nice income and since Favor was changed, the Americans finally get some time in there. I remember when Europe hogged favor until like 11PM where I live, East Coast in the USA, and mind I'm a student - not to mention 3/4ths of my guild were Europeans, and I was so pissed at them getting 4 sets of FoW whilst I had to stick to farming Ettins (which I cannot even do anymore since ANet nerfed their drops).

The Deep is ridiculously easy and short... with the necro split

However, Urgoz still posts a bit of a challenge in that it just take a little longer than most people are willing to deal with for such crap rewards. However, this article has motivated me to organize a guild run at Urgoz again. FTW!!! just for old times sake.

We dont need new reward for something old. We need a new content. A new SF type update with new elite zones/missions/monsters/skins. Even if that means we have to pay for it.

Hopefully something that requires some work to get through so the prices wont collapse the first week.

My guild/alliance does runs through these old elite areas-mostly for the fun of it and to get us some Zodiacs

But compared to other "high-end" weapons, the market on Zodiacs is kinda of a niche-although you can sell a q9 for a decent amount if you can find a buyer.

Although I wish they would make a Zodiac spear

To be honest, I really don't see the point of reviving old elite areas if all we are gonna find there are ursan groups. The only place you can get a decent non-ursan group at the moment is FoW.