Ways I use my heroes, (by amount of use and frequency):
N - MM almost everywhere. SV against some bosses, SS sometimes.
P - Motivation for both heal and damage.
Rt - Channeling and some restoration.
Mo - Prot, and sometimes heal.
E - Some fire damage.
D - necro orders with wind heals.
Me - Domination in some HM.
R - Used them a bit for hero b/p, but now, wherever b/p was good, a stack of paragons with the proper support is even better. stuff like frozen soil or eoe are better mounted on someones secondary, and the little interruption I need is taken care of by my monk/mesmer heroes, various KDs all around, and plain old killing.
A and W - in most pve situations, will not deal nearly as much damage as a proper E or Rt, and will barely supply any protection to the party. (Mainly Necros and Paras, but sometimes other profession as well, can supply a nice combination of damage and party support in a good synergy of skills).
So between the use of paragons, and the very little need to tank things due to minions and plain fast-killing, is there any use left for Ranger, Assassin, and Warrior heroes, or are they forever damned to be just some extra storage slots and fff runners?
Warrior, assassin and ranger heroes - are they any good? where and how?
foo
aapo
They're good for hfff runs, but not much else. Melee in general is rather viable party choice, but because of how hero AI works those warriors and assassins will disengage as soon as you start kiting yourself.
Shaz
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They're good for hfff runs, but not much else. Melee in general is rather viable party choice, but because of how hero AI works those warriors and assassins will disengage as soon as you start kiting yourself.
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Ranger have some uses. But Warrior and Assassin I won't use unless I have to, actually I have never use my Assassin heroes yet
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zwei2stein
W: Huh? Warrior heroes are pretty good, even with their kiting problems.
WY! provides reliable party protection, you can always slot purge signet on them and/or succor.
Earthshaker based builds top that with some nice disruption.
A: Not much, true. Some people might run them as crit scythe or crit barrage or crit interupter.
Neither is really good if you have primary heroes.
R: BHA, Choking gas. Usefull in some PvE.
Pets and spirits distract ai same way like minions do.
WY! provides reliable party protection, you can always slot purge signet on them and/or succor.
Earthshaker based builds top that with some nice disruption.
A: Not much, true. Some people might run them as crit scythe or crit barrage or crit interupter.
Neither is really good if you have primary heroes.
R: BHA, Choking gas. Usefull in some PvE.
Pets and spirits distract ai same way like minions do.
payne
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They're good for hfff runs, but not much else.
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ranger: splinter barrage mainly
'sin: uber great heroes...critical siphon str - works amazing in HM
I D E L E T E D I
BHA + Epidemic Ranger > HM
nuff said
nuff said
gnome
to be honest i never use warriors or assassins as heroes. their AI means they can't pull off attack chains quickly and never use skills in the right order. having two melees in a team seems like a waste of space to me, when others things do much more damage and provide better protection, like a warder for instance, and that you only need one 'tank' or 'something to take the aggro off the casters.' warrior/sin heroes cannot do that job anyway because, like you said before, they begin to kite and break combat as soon as you do (really bad when your a monk). i also find i have to call targets to make them fight in the first place.
Rangers, on the other hand, are extremely useful. BHA/volley/splinter causes some extreme damage, as well as protection from volatile casters. also they have interrupting skills as good as or better than lots of players. pyre is at no. 4 in my most used heroes list, after a nuker, a prot monk, and a warder. when me and my friend go dungeoning an interrupter is always there. it may not seem like it, but rangers do save lives.
Rangers, on the other hand, are extremely useful. BHA/volley/splinter causes some extreme damage, as well as protection from volatile casters. also they have interrupting skills as good as or better than lots of players. pyre is at no. 4 in my most used heroes list, after a nuker, a prot monk, and a warder. when me and my friend go dungeoning an interrupter is always there. it may not seem like it, but rangers do save lives.
Toutatis
I don't use Warrior or Assassin heroes much, but I use Ranger heroes quite frequently. A BHA Ranger hero can be extremely useful when my party goes up against multiple enemy spellcasters. The Ranger keeps one caster quiet, I focus my own interrupts on another caster, and the rest of the team has a bit more breathing space to kill the others.
On the occasions when I use Warrior heroes, I usually give them "Watch Yourself!" and "Shields Up!" as some party protection. Quite effective in a lot of cases.
On the occasions when I use Warrior heroes, I usually give them "Watch Yourself!" and "Shields Up!" as some party protection. Quite effective in a lot of cases.
aapo
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BHA + Epidemic Ranger > HM
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'nuff said
Tyla
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Technobabble > BHA + Epidemic Ranger
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BHA + Epedemic Ranger - Put on Volley and make another hero bring Splinter Weapon.
Danax
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Technobabble > BHA + Epidemic Ranger
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Crom The Pale
With the right builds any hero is of use, it all depends on your skill unlocks and your play style really.
I run rangers all the time with great effectiveness. They can do so much good to a party.
Warriors are very usefull for the great deal of dmg they can dish out and the minimal healing they require.
Assassins are ok for a few areas, not a huge fan of them myself but they do have a few builds that the heros run extremely well and can dish out very fast boss kills when use correctly.
I run rangers all the time with great effectiveness. They can do so much good to a party.
Warriors are very usefull for the great deal of dmg they can dish out and the minimal healing they require.
Assassins are ok for a few areas, not a huge fan of them myself but they do have a few builds that the heros run extremely well and can dish out very fast boss kills when use correctly.
Malice Black
I use Koss all the time. With the right build he's a pretty solid hero with good DPS.
Stormlord Alex
Assassins and Warriors tear through PvE like a knife through hot butter; as with all physicals they pwn face.
However, the AI on Warr and Assassin heroes is so epically bad...
... Stick with Paragons and Necros.
As for Ranger heroes... they're ok and use interrupts well with that silly reflex, they just happen to suck with the best PvE ranger elite - BHA. When I take Ranger heroes, I force BHA usage myself.
However, the AI on Warr and Assassin heroes is so epically bad...
... Stick with Paragons and Necros.
As for Ranger heroes... they're ok and use interrupts well with that silly reflex, they just happen to suck with the best PvE ranger elite - BHA. When I take Ranger heroes, I force BHA usage myself.
Kahlindra
I use my Pyre a lot to interrupt. Going 2-man with H/H he's always in there. Koss hangs around as an 'extra' who gets shoved in the party when a generalist build is needed.
I managed to choose the 'not ranger' option all the way through NF on my warrior and really regretted it at the end when I wanted interrupts.
I managed to choose the 'not ranger' option all the way through NF on my warrior and really regretted it at the end when I wanted interrupts.
lazuli
ranger heros+BHA=daze on demand
hax reflexes with interrupts+recurve
whats not to like about them?
hax reflexes with interrupts+recurve
whats not to like about them?
crazybanshee
I used my koss to get legendary vanquisher and guardian (before gwen came out) Set up correctly, he's got a high survivability and was often the one who stayed alike the longest and rezzed just in the nick of time to save a mission. Don't use sin hero much, but BHA ranger > over powered hm bosses.
the_jos
Warrior: yes, I have a team with 2 para + warrior heroes quite often.
Sin: dunno, never tried them and can't think of a good team around them.
Ranger: as mentioned the BHA hero or generic hero. Currently doing some testing how they perform with beastmastery. Seems to be ok so far, but need to level their pets up first.
Sin: dunno, never tried them and can't think of a good team around them.
Ranger: as mentioned the BHA hero or generic hero. Currently doing some testing how they perform with beastmastery. Seems to be ok so far, but need to level their pets up first.
strcpy
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Technobabble > BHA + Epidemic Ranger
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Gimping my warrior just to bring it isn't > than having a good warrior build along with a BHA ranger who also has a nice effective full skill bar. Nor does everyone have a high Asuran rank (yes, even those of us going through HM don't - especially those of us farming said points to *get* to the high rank).
wetsparks
Seeing as how you are only limited to 3 heroes (shakes fist at ANet) I don't ever take dervish/warrior/assassin heroes. Those three hero spots are just to important when warrior henchman aren't that far of a drop from them compared to the drop of other hero to henchman professions. Rangers have their spots to dominate certain areas but paragons and necromancers dominate my hero skill spots.
Zahr Dalsk
Ranger heroes are useless, unless you want to completely shut down an enemy monk.
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Crom The Pale
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Ranger heroes are useless, unless you want to completely shut down an enemy monk.
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A hero is only as good as the build you give them!
rick1027
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I have to dissagree with you there. They can deal out nice dmg/conditions and instantly change targets to interupt when needed.
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Olim Chill
Warrior heroes can be very useful. I always bring Koss along. With the right build he can be a tenacious workhorse and do signifcant, steady damage.
Ranger heores can be quite beneficial as well, but I tend not to use them.
I've never felt the need to bring an Assassin.
Ranger heores can be quite beneficial as well, but I tend not to use them.
I've never felt the need to bring an Assassin.
Numa Pompilius
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Also, splinter-barrage ranger & critical barrage assassin does some really serious damage. I admit I rarely bring any warrior hero, though; normally I have minions tanking and if there are no minions I'd rather take a Dervish than a Warrior.
EDIT: Rangers don't suck with BHA. The problem is that they use it as their first attack, while the enemy is still charging/chasing, and therefore they often miss. Give the ranger Hunters Shot and he'll use that instead while the enemy is moving, and BHA when the enemy stops. Works.
Also don't forget to have Epidemic on at least one hero.
Tunn Tavern
Never as good (well....) as peeps, but I like my hero minion master. They are much more useful if you take the time to get them some decent elites.
Quaker
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So between the use of paragons, and the very little need to tank things due to minions and plain fast-killing, is there any use left for Ranger, Assassin, and Warrior heroes, or are they forever damned to be just some extra storage slots and fff runners?
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Perkunas
I play in Prophesies 90% of the time. I use Factions for quick easy max armor. I use NF for the heroes you can grab real quick, Koss, Melonni, Dunkoro, Talhkora, 1 of the Acolytes, and Olias. I don't know enough about the Assassin to bother with her.
I use hero classes that I have the most experience in. I have played all the classes at least a little. My mainstays are R, E, W, Mo. My 'teams' consist mostly of combinations of those. In teams of 6 or 8, I sprinkle in N, Me, another W (axe/hammer), E (if fire, I change my build to Air), or Protector. When I get more into NF or GW:EN, I wll experiment more with the other classes. Right now, these heroes do their jobs as I expect them to. I have 2 R1 survivors, Prophesies born, using these teams.
I use hero classes that I have the most experience in. I have played all the classes at least a little. My mainstays are R, E, W, Mo. My 'teams' consist mostly of combinations of those. In teams of 6 or 8, I sprinkle in N, Me, another W (axe/hammer), E (if fire, I change my build to Air), or Protector. When I get more into NF or GW:EN, I wll experiment more with the other classes. Right now, these heroes do their jobs as I expect them to. I have 2 R1 survivors, Prophesies born, using these teams.
Ku Ku
I personally thought Sin hero'snt worth the bother till i had to get my mesmer through factions with very limited heros. It was my sin hero that made me create my own Sin :P. I find them better in pairs but good for damage and body blocking.
My warrior i have recently replaced in favour of my dervish hero - as he used to tank using a W/R build or a W/E build and he tends to do the job and keep my booties free of monster slime.
My ranger... wow... you mean you dont use Broad Head Arrow on them? Rangers set as interrupts have better response times than humans and are generally pretty nails at getting them in, theyre also reasonably well aied and stay of out the fray pretty well!
My warrior i have recently replaced in favour of my dervish hero - as he used to tank using a W/R build or a W/E build and he tends to do the job and keep my booties free of monster slime.
My ranger... wow... you mean you dont use Broad Head Arrow on them? Rangers set as interrupts have better response times than humans and are generally pretty nails at getting them in, theyre also reasonably well aied and stay of out the fray pretty well!