The Language Of Guild Wars

StormDragonZ

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Don't ask how I came up with this thought, but I'm just looking for opinions and thoughts from anyone who reads this thread.

This thread will mostly reflect something I don't think many people have thought about for GW2: The language and wording.

What do I mean by this? "Curse" words such as damn and bastard.

You don't see them in Guild Wars (unless I'm blind...), but is it possible to think GW2 will push a little into that area of words? I was just wondering if you'd want to see this kind of language in GW2, or just keep it "friendly" with the wording.

EDIT: I must be blind for overlooking Damned Clerics and Kessex Peak.

Also, I'm prepared for the random GO RED ENGINE stuff. If it occurs, I can't help it, so blah blah blah.

Thank you for reading this thread.

garethporlest18

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I don't care either way. Anet should keep it smart though.

Absolute Destiny

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Quote:
Originally Posted by StormDragonZ
You don't see them in Guild Wars (unless I'm blind...), but is it possible to think GW2 will push a little into that area of words? I was just wondering if you'd want to see this kind of language in GW2, or just keep it "friendly" with the wording.

Rurik says "Balthazar be damned" in the Ruins of Surmia cutscene...

Inger

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ever hear of damned clerics? lol


i always found it ironic how they were censored in the chat

MisterB

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http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Damned_Cleric
If you have the chat filter on, this enemy is censored if you call the target.
GW has a few "bastard swords," but none of them are labeled as such.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Lesser_Highlander_Blade is one example of a bastard sword, off the top of my head.

I don't think it makes sense to include more curse words, since doing so will increase the ESRB rating. ANet wants return customers, and I don't see why they would go above a "Teen" rating like they have now.

Bryant Again

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Kessex Peak is also censored in chat : )

The Bard

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there's no reason why they'd want to use bad language in their game... unless they want to keep people from buying the game.
cursing in general just proves a persons inability to use the language... =/

Dallcingi

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Ya just turn the filter on lol.

blurmedia

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Operative 14

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If it's not necessary I wouldn't want them to add it.

That being said however, if it is a descriptive, such as Damned Cleric, or to convey emotion, such as Balthazar be damned, I think that's okay. I wouldn't want some character running around using f*** every other word though. Overall, I think they strike a good balance in the game as it is now.

Jecht Scye

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The language they use now is fine. I wouldn't want them to amp it up.

LeoX

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Well if they introduced more crude language then it would push up the rating, this would maybe mean that there would be a new audience, a one which is more mature in age.
It's fine as it is i think, though. Language like that i think is better in single player games or at least not MMOs.

Nadia Roark

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bard
there's no reason why they'd want to use bad language in their game... unless they want to keep people from buying the game.
cursing in general just proves a persons inability to use the language... =/
Don't be ridiculous. People frequently curse in moments of stress or duress, and any writer looking to make a reasonable facsimile of these emotions would do well to take advantage of this. I have a hard time taking character anger seriously if they say stuff like "Well gosh that sure makes me darn mad."

Kusandaa

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Eh, I don't mind the language used, but I find it hilarious that Anet censors their own stuff (such as Damned Cleric). Wouldn't mind a higher rating, I stumbled upon one of these genitalia-drawing 12-year-old earlier...

Dr Strangelove

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While I would certainly prefer an M-rated game with exploding Charr and a potty-mouthed Rurik, it's not going to happen because it's not as profitable.

RhanoctJocosa

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People actually play with their filter on? lol?

jon0592

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blah blah blah blah blah corsair seamen blah blah blah

RPGmaniac

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Operative 14
If it's not necessary I wouldn't want them to add it.

That being said however, if it is a descriptive, such as Damned Cleric, or to convey emotion, such as Balthazar be damned, I think that's okay. I wouldn't want some character running around using f*** every other word though. Overall, I think they strike a good balance in the game as it is now.
That's the only reason to swear in my opinion is to convey strong emotion. Other than that, nah it's fine the way it is.

Kusandaa

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa
People actually play with their filter on? lol?
The second I saw the option, I took it off. Some still play with it though, I mean not everyone's slack about the language issue...

NathanMurray

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Absolute Destiny
Rurik says "Balthazar be damned" in the Ruins of Surmia cutscene...
Doesn't Rurik say bastard when your fighting the charr in Rin or something like that. Maybe some other area but he says the charr are bastards I think.

DaCatInDaHat

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I don't think that having GW2 filled with cursing would have any positive affect at all. Most people, young or old, are playing GW for fun and (sometimes) relaxation. They are not playing to listen to cursing. Also, it does not help diologue or storyline to have cursing.....so, why?

MithranArkanere

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I find more vexing a polite speech trying to harm than a dirt-mouthed one.

Biostem

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There are different levels of curses. Saying "damn" or "son of a bitch" isn't all that bad, IMO. I don't think there's a need for any NPCs to be dropping the f-bomb, though. You can get anger and frustration across w/o such strong language.

As pointed out by others, by using such strong language, you move into the M-rating, which in turn could end up reducing overall sales (doesn't Walmart have a policy against mature games?).

Dr Strangelove

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaCatInDaHat
I don't think that having GW2 filled with cursing would have any positive affect at all. Most people, young or old, are playing GW for fun and (sometimes) relaxation. They are not playing to listen to cursing. Also, it does not help diologue or storyline to have cursing.....so, why?
Most adults curse fairly often in casual speech. Things tend to come out strangely when writers are restricted from using specific words, whether those words are curse words or adverbs.

There's an important difference between making an effort to use curse words, and using them as a normal part of speech.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Biostem
As pointed out by others, by using such strong language, you move into the M-rating, which in turn could end up reducing overall sales (doesn't Walmart have a policy against mature games?).
No, pretty much everywhere will sell M-rated games, just not to people under 17. However, most stores will not sell AO (adults only) games.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bard
cursing in general just proves a persons inability to use the language... =/
Some people forget that not all characters are made to be intelligent. There are times when cursing would fit a character, but is left out because of said reasons of raising the rating and losing buyers.

You can't see me

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I believe they should use the language that is suitable for the situation. Sure, there would be a lot more cursing from soldiers in battle, which IMO would be a tad more realistic, but not going overboard, versus writing the NPC text:

"G'day you F*cking B*st*rd, what the F*ck do you want?"

Taurucis

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Quoting some quote I heard...

Quote:
If you drop the f-bomb when you drop a sandwich, what do you say when an airplane drops a 300 pound block of concrete on your foot?
If you curse all the time, it begins to lose its effect. It becomes just another everyday word. And a vulgar one at that.

Abedeus

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taurucis
If you curse all the time, it begins to lose its effect. It becomes just another everyday word. And a vulgar one at that.
Watch ,,Le Petit Tourette'' South Park episode. Cartman realised, that if he told everyone he has Tourette, he can say whatever he want. But he was swearing so often, that finally he couldn't filter what he said, for example, he said that he touched his cousins weeen... Yeah, awful. But hey, he asked for it.

Or one of the older episodes, when people say ,,$hit'' about 110 times (there is a counter on the screen, so people know when the say it) and finally they got super BORED with it. And they almost destroyed the world, but I ain't spoiling your fun by watching.

Operative 14

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Most adults curse fairly often in casual speech.
Though I think its important in that case to make the distinction between the definition of 'adults' based on chronological age versus mental age.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by blurmedia
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Captain Quimang is hilarious. Of all the anglophones on Earth who know what that word means (very few), the vast majority probably learned it from the GW chat filter.

Dr Strangelove

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Operative 14
Though I think its important in that case to make the distinction between the definition of 'adults' based on chronological age versus mental age.
Ok, I'll qualify that. I have never met an adult who doesn't occasionally sprinkle curse words into their vocabulary. There's a huge difference between swearing every other word, and swearing when appropriate.

Alleji

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Quote:
Originally Posted by creelie
Captain Quimang is hilarious. Of all the anglophones on Earth who know what that word means (very few), the vast majority probably learned it from the GW chat filter.
I still didn't.

What does it mean?

N E D M

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Originally Posted by Danika Zu Heltzer
Lyssa be damned! I didn't see that coming!
Popular NPC tactic to curse the gods

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Ok, I'll qualify that. I have never met an adult who doesn't occasionally sprinkle curse words into their vocabulary. There's a huge difference between swearing every other word, and swearing when appropriate.
Gotta agree with this. I certainly don't curse often, but I can let it fly if I'm in a very bad mood or I'm excited among friends. Pretty much everyone I know is like that; with the occasional exception like the "f*** every other word" people, or the perfect little angels who use non-vulgar expressions instead. I do censor myself if the situation/environment calls for it. I really don't see a big deal with it, but if someone does, I respect it.

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Doesnt Vekk say Damn Bukkah?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jon0592
A Sticky Situation

blah blah blah blah blah corsair seamen blah blah blah
' chuckles to himself '

Would a gore filled expletive heavy GW 2 appeal ?.........yeah for me it would, but Anet will want to cater for a broader audience so it will i think probably stay as is ...

enishicz

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterB
I don't think it makes sense to include more curse words, since doing so will increase the ESRB rating. ANet wants return customers, and I don't see why they would go above a "Teen" rating like they have now.
It's T because it promotes binge drinking and sugar consumption while partying like crazy XD

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Angelic Upstart
' chuckles to himself '

Would a gore filled expletive heavy GW 2 appeal ?.........yeah for me it would, but Anet will want to cater for a broader audience so it will i think probably stay as is ...
I like a bit of gore. Profanity I have no problem with, generally. But it really depends how much. I'd much prefer them to keep it as a teen game and have actual intelligent dialogue than fill all their dialogue with profanity.

Bare in mind that it also depends on the era. Judging by the medieval era that GW is set in, "damn" and "bloody" are probably incredibly offensive pieces of profanity. The words we use today to swear were either perfectly innocent words at some point in history, or just didn't exist until recently.

Angelic Upstart

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Yeah agreed, whilst i stated expletive heavy, i didnt mean 'f' words and the like, just profanity that reflected the time period the game was set in.

That said i dont have any issues with the language as it stands.