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Sirugel Kai

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Join Date: Oct 2007

18 Feb 2008 at 21:32 - 1

On Guild Wars with the lowest setting my fps is 8-16
On Guild Wars with the highest setting my fps is 5-6
Here are my system thingies =X (I use a laptop)

::Processor::
AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-58 1.90 GHz
Memory (RAM): 1983 MB
Sytem Type: 32-bit Operating System

I use Windows Vista Home Premium
I have a Laptop
I got this laptop around 3 or 4 weeks ago
It is made by HP
Its duo core

Edit: more

System:
Model: HP pavilion dv9500 notebook PC
processor cores:2
64 bit capable: yes

Graphics
Display adaptert type: NVIDIA MCP67M
Total available graphics memory: 799MB
Dedicated graphics memory: 64 MB
Dedicated system memory: 0MB
Shared sytem memory: 735MB
Display adapter driver version: 7.15.11.5665
Directx version: direct x 9.0 or better

Soo.. is there anyway to increase my fps without buying anything?

Aera

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18 Feb 2008 at 21:39 - 2

Wow...something is definitely wrong with FPS like that.

What's the videocard?

Sirugel Kai

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Join Date: Oct 2007

18 Feb 2008 at 21:41 - 3

Errr... How do i check? xD Its something by nvidia

I bought the most up to date laptop when i got it.. and it apparently had a very good video card =x

Not sure if this helps.. but this is my comptuer rating thing in System and Maintenance

Processor: 4.7
Memory (RAM): 5.3
Graphics: 3.1
Gaming Graphics: 2.6
Primary Hard Disk: 4.6

The Meth

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18 Feb 2008 at 21:41 - 4

Thats really, really bad. Since you got it just a few weeks ago I assume its not the video card, since anything in the last 4 years can run guild wars better. I have ran it on a radeon 9600 myself, and it does fine at mid settings.

I bet its a Vista problem, Vista always likes to act up and slow down your computer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai

Errr... How do i check? xD Its something by nvidia
I bought the most up to date laptop when i got it.. and it apparently had a very good video card =x
Not sure if this helps.. but this is my comptuer rating thing in System and Maintenance

Processor: 4.7
Memory (RAM): 5.3
Graphics: 3.1
Gaming Graphics: 2.6
Primary Hard Disk: 4.6

I have no idea what those computer ratings are, is it some kind of numbers from the manufacturer?

I don't know how it works in vista, but in XP right click on the desktop, go to properties, then go to the settings tab
you will see something along the lines of "X monitor on NVidia Geforce (number)"

Unless you have a geforce 5x series or something, you shouldn't be getting such poor fps. And if you do have a geforce 5x series, take it back asap, you got royally screwed

Kattar

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18 Feb 2008 at 21:43 - 5

Mine's an Nvidia Go 6150 and I get about what he gets, so it's probably that.

Integrated graphics = fail.

lordpwn

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18 Feb 2008 at 21:44 - 6

You neglected to mention one of the most important factors affecting the framerate: your video hardware. I could probably have googled the specs had you included the laptop's model number in your post.

Anyways, those framerates look pretty awful, so I'd guess it's a cheap integrated chip like an Intel X3000 or a Radeon X1050. Not much you can do about that besides buying a better computer. Laptop video hardware is practically impossible to replace most of the time.

You _could_ try messing with the video driver's own detail settings, but I doubt you'd see more than a few percent increase; it would still be pretty much unplayable, and that would come at the cost of making everything even blurrier than it normally looks on the lowest settings.

Aera

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18 Feb 2008 at 21:44 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katsumi Rikyu

Mine's an Nvidia Go 6150 and I get about what he gets, so it's probably that.

Integrated graphics = fail.

Even integrated graphics should give more FPS.

Kattar

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18 Feb 2008 at 21:47 - 8

Yeah they should, but that's what I get. Even with 2 gb of ram and XP.

Kinda sucks. Although one of my buddies has a program that changes how your NIC handles packets. He said he when from about a 250-300 ping on WoW to about 80 ping.

So I'll give that a shot sometime this week and get back to everyone.

Sirugel Kai

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Join Date: Oct 2007

18 Feb 2008 at 21:48 - 9

I'm guessing this is my model number

Hp pavillion dv9600
service tag | dv9620us

Edit: heres more stuff ;D

System:
Model: HP pavilion dv9500 notebook PC
processor cores:2
64 bit capable: yes

Graphics
Display adaptert type: NVIDIA MCP67M
Total available graphics memory: 799MB
Dedicated graphics memory: 64 MB
Dedicated system memory: 0MB
Shared sytem memory: 735MB
Display adapter driver version: 7.15.11.5665
Directx version: direct x 9.0 or better

Kattar

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18 Feb 2008 at 21:54 - 10

Yeah, he has the updated version of the card I'm running, the Nvidia GeForce Go 7150M graphics card.

Larcen

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Join Date: Jul 2007

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18 Feb 2008 at 21:59 - 11

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...=45273&lang=en

Those are his specs, and the only problem I see is Vista. If you know enough about windows, Vista specifically, start killing those useless/worthless processes and/or find a way to boot into a minimalistic session and try playing then.

If I can play satisfactory (14-18 fps) on a Toshiba Satellite M35X-S111, that is nearly 6 years old, you should be able to do just as well if not loads better.

Sirugel Kai

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18 Feb 2008 at 22:01 - 12

Well if all of that is apparently so good then why is my rating so low
Processor: 4.7
Memory (RAM): 5.3
Graphics: 2.0
gaming graphics: 2.2
hard disk: 4.6

(i refreshed the rating thing)

A few days ago i got a new graphic driver from nvidia

apparently i down-graded or something >.>
<.<

The Meth

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Join Date: Jan 2007

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18 Feb 2008 at 22:05 - 13

I checked around, a NVIDIA MCP67M is a Geforce Go 7150M. Definitely not top of the line but nowhere near old enough to prevent you from playing. You should use the drivers that came with your laptop, AFAIK Nvidia doesn't directly support laptop drivers, they have to be supplied by the manufacturer.

Kill Vista!

Sirugel Kai

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18 Feb 2008 at 22:07 - 14

Too bad i think ive done all to vista that i can possibly do.

FXCW

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18 Feb 2008 at 22:08 - 15

You can download drivers for your laptop here: http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?

Just go to Nvidia's site, look at which are the latest drivers for your card find them on the site I gave you and follow the instructions. I use it for mine and it works just fine.

Sirugel Kai

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18 Feb 2008 at 22:13 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by FXCW

You can doanload drivers fo your lapotp here: http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?

Just go to Nvidia's site, look at which are the latest drivers for your card find them on the site I gave you and follow the instructions. I use it for mine and it works just fine.

Thanks for that link

ill download some of those and come back with whatever changed
This time ill actually watch what im doing >_>

lordpwn

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Join Date: Mar 2007

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18 Feb 2008 at 22:14 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meth

AFAIK Nvidia doesn't directly support laptop drivers, they have to be supplied by the manufacturer.

This depends on the laptop, but in my experience HP usually messes with the hardware ID's so Nvidia's (or any other hardware company's) drivers won't recognize the hardware, forcing users to get the drivers through HP. The Omega drivers may recognize some laptop hardware Nvidia's official ones don't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meth

Kill Vista!

Seconded. The preinstalled Vista my HP laptop came with had so much useless junk it took over three minutes to boot and by then had eaten up enough RAM it ran _Firefox_ slower than my previous laptop with far worse specs. The computer felt like it was running twice as fast after I repartitioned the drive to get rid of the HP reinstall crap and manually installed XP on it.

The Meth

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18 Feb 2008 at 22:16 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirugel Kai

Too bad i think ive done all to vista that i can possibly do.

If you are semi-computer literate and have a windows XP disk, go install that. I bet on XP you would be able to run the game maxed or near-max.

I really bet its some kind of problem with vista eating up your low amount of available graphics memory. Your card has 64 meg, so if vista is taking up alot in the background to display its nice shiny menus then your game has nothing left.

EDIT: The minimum system requirements for "Vista Premium" is 128 meg of video ram. The main reason being that it runs Aero, try to see if you can disable Aero. I can't help you on how to do that, I upgraded from vista to XP a long time ago. 64 megs of video ram technically "Supports Aero but is not Premium Ready".

JAK3US

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Join Date: Apr 2007

18 Feb 2008 at 22:25 - 19

Dual boot with XP if you dont want to uninstall Vista.

My laptop that i got for Christmas had integrated graphics, and i was getting 20-15 FPS. Added XP to the computer and it easily achieves 30-25 FPS, which is a drastic change.

Conclusion:
Anyone with borderline FPS (24 is the border) who also runs Vista should
(a) Spec more System Ram to VRam
(b) Put XP on their computer
(c) Both

If you're not getting better FPS, its a driver or hardware problem, but i guarantee you that it runs better on XP.

~Jakeus

DarkGanni

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18 Feb 2008 at 22:45 - 20

Personally I'd say install windows xp operating system to free ram OR install more ram modules to counter the heavy system resources by vista. Also upgrading to the latest drivers help, defragment your harddrive and run Guild Wars with the -image command to download all possible data files. Keeping your computer clean is also important, I suggest CCleaner here's link: http://www.ccleaner.com/

Hope that helps.

- Ganni

Molock

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18 Feb 2008 at 23:12 - 21

I can run GW on my work laptop and get more FPS than that. My laptop has a GMA 950, 1gb RAM and gets 20-50 FPS... The problem probably isn't Vista, my laptop runs on Vista also.

Its really weird, you should be getting more FPS

I have a question though, can you tell me your FPS in kamadan ad1 and in Isle of the nameless. Just post them here plz.

Sirugel Kai

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Join Date: Oct 2007

19 Feb 2008 at 00:12 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molock

I can run GW on my work laptop and get more FPS than that. My laptop has a GMA 950, 1gb RAM and gets 20-50 FPS... The problem probably isn't Vista, my laptop runs on Vista also.

Its really weird, you should be getting more FPS

I have a question though, can you tell me your FPS in kamadan ad1 and in Isle of the nameless. Just post them here plz.

Well, I followed everyones tips ( fixed vista, checked stuff, got the latest drivers)
And i didnt notice a difference at all =/

And to molock:
Kamadan ad1:
Lowest details: 8-10
Highest details: 5 - 6

Isle of the nameless:
lowest details: 13 - 14
highest details: 7-8

I might go look around to see if i can find an xp disk anywhere

jimmyboveto

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26 Feb 2008 at 02:06 - 23

From my experience RAM doesn't have a lot to do with the fps. I'm playing guild wars with an middle/low end graphics card with 768 MB of RAM, and I usually get around 20fps. Not much, but more then what you are getting at least. Something must be seriously wrong.

voldermord

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Join Date: Jan 2008

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26 Feb 2008 at 14:04 - 24

erm, imo and exp. of changing cards, proc, and comparing their differences..i think everything has a role in fps.

Processor increases fps slightly, i changed from a single core to dual core and experienced a 10-15fps increase @ max settings. The previous one was no lag and so is the new one. I guess the system compromises fps for less jerks..although low fps WOULD look like jerky..

Graphic card does have the major role here, 64mb of vram is just too little for GW, imo i was first running on 5200FX 128mb and i had like 20fps@ max..upgraded to 7300GS budget card and i get 38fps max..in battles..recently changed to 8600GTS OC and i get a max of 45fps. New drivers everything.

Than..i changed my main board to one of the latest and fps jumped to 75+. Nothing else was added. Thus i guess its the bandwith ur mobo can handle and process btw processor and GPU.. i have changed ram from 256 to 512 to 1gb to 1.5 to 2..and id say 1gb would be enough. Anymore and there is no diff..unless u alt tab alot and browse, music etc.. 512mb is fine. 256 is just..impossible with windows xp.

For vista, my friend has a vista com running on 512mb ram and 64mb vram shared..meaning 448mbram left..and it lags like mad on 2d games, so i cant comment on gw..

I suggest upgrading ur specs or if ur on a laptop, kill unnecessary processes. Defrag is your friend. Kill anti virus as its a ram sucker. Msn, Iexplorer etc.
My friend on 512mb and 128mb vram even went to the extent of killing explorer.exe to play gw...and reenabling it afterwards for smoother gameplay..and he can achieve 25fps at lowest settings in battle.. Of course, avoid dist ones..
on dist1 he gets 10-15fps..kamadan..

hope that helps..

edit:

To ts..on answering your qn of increasing fps, ur vram is now @64mb i presume, and can go to a max of 446or 512mb. Increase ur Vram via bios during startup. Press Del or F1, depending on your system. Find the Shared Video Memory and change it to max. I think you have enough ram, 2gigs i guess. or 256mb would suffice.Also, your lappy could be running hot. When they get hot..they slow down..no kidding..get sufficient cooling..

Ku Ku

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26 Feb 2008 at 16:15 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aera

Even integrated graphics should give more FPS.

My pc has intergrated graphics (the dreaded intel 82945G series in fact) and i have better fps than that - my Pc was brought about 6 months ago now...

...Have you tried reinstalling the drivers? When i first loaded up this pc i had major trouble with GW simply because the drivers that had been preinstallled were bugged (And wouldnt let me reinstall, i had to manually remove... hurrah for prebuilt pcs

) So maybe check you have the latest installed clean?

Xcalibur the Great

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28 Feb 2008 at 15:10 - 26

on most notebooks you'll rarely ever get a fully dedicated graphics card. most notebooks will come with intergrated graphics card that shares (rather pulls) memory off the RAM of your system to share w/ card
so based on your specs, you have 2gb of ram w/ 1983mb avail which leaves you with 64mb shared to your video card.

given that your video card is set to 64mb, you will experience extremely low framerates at any level.

what you need to do to correct this is to go into the BIOS and set the graphics adapter shared memory to 256MB. and this should pretty much solve your problem.

llsektorll

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28 Feb 2008 at 15:39 - 27

back when i was playing this game on a shitty comp before i made my new one... i had this problem.... what you want to do is...

1. go full screen. usually playing in windowed when windows has to render background screens and windows it takes more gpu power.

2. run at a low resolution.... if you are on a lcd you screen may get blurry if you are running anything other than your native resolution. CRT's should not have any problems.

3. put gfx on lowest and turn off anti aliasing.

4. definitely turn off post processing

5. update graphics card drivers

6. and look into buying a new card asap....

Pasha the Mighty

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28 Feb 2008 at 16:29 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by llsektorll

back when i was playing this game on a shitty comp before i made my new one... i had this problem.... what you want to do is...

1. go full screen. usually playing in windowed when windows has to render background screens and windows it takes more gpu power.

2. run at a low resolution.... if you are on a lcd you screen may get blurry if you are running anything other than your native resolution. CRT's should not have any problems.

3. put gfx on lowest and turn off anti aliasing.

4. definitely turn off post processing

5. update graphics card drivers

6. and look into buying a new card asap....

He has a laptop, so getting a new card would be kinda hard

Kattar

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28 Feb 2008 at 16:49 - 29

That, and my laptop doesn't allow me to adjust RAM allocated to the gfx card in the BIOS.

Kinda sucky.

voldermord

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29 Feb 2008 at 06:12 - 30

impossible, every vram bios has a shared memory amount modifier..

Pasha the Mighty

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29 Feb 2008 at 09:51 - 31

no they don't, I wanted to do that with my amilo pa 1538, but they don't give you the option in the bios

voldermord

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29 Feb 2008 at 10:04 - 32

weird..ok..i would suggest to update bios..but dont do it if ur not tech savvy..1 little crash and there goes ur lappy..recovery methods are a pain -.-

Admael

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05 Mar 2008 at 04:14 - 33

Since you're using Home Premium, you can kill Aero to free up some allocated RAM. Since my dwm can eat up to 121k, and without Aero, dwm eats 5k max. Vista doesn't really hog that much memory without Aero.

FXCW

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05 Mar 2008 at 07:34 - 34

I don't see any difference in RAM usage with Aero on or off, plus its pretty ;P

Bigger Redd

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05 Mar 2008 at 10:16 - 35

i have the dv-6700 laptop, just a tad lower in spec than yours

tk-57 cpu
2gb memory
GeForce Go 7150M

I get around 12-20 fps in kamadan at storage, using high detail EXCEPT disabling post process effects. With that checked, it'll slow to 8-15fps. also, using the -noshaders switch gives me a decent boost by about 5 fps.

Isle of the nameless runs fairly smooth @ 25-35fps with these settings.

Of course, I did know it wasn't going to run as nicely as on my desktop, but it is still playable.

Necro Quink

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05 Mar 2008 at 13:17 - 36

I've used to have low fps. This was due faulty drivers and inconsistant system. Now I have a new system (6months old) with Dual Core Processor 4GB ram, 2x Geforce 8800GTX 768MB each running Vista Ultimate 64bit. Mostly running one grafic cart because it makes to many noise.

My FPS is around 80+ with everything on highest detail in every outpost/area.

My laptop runs same stats only with a grafic cart 8400GS

FPS on laptop on highest detail is around 35+

Numa Pompilius

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05 Mar 2008 at 13:53 - 37

I would suggest the OP and everyone with very low framerates on nvidia-based computers to first go to www.nvidia.com and download drivers for their graphics and/or chipset. I suspect that's where the problem is.

Necro Quink

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05 Mar 2008 at 14:02 - 38

I agree with Numa.

Try to minimize spyware as much as possible. Some games are sensitive to spyware (Call of duty series for example). Defrag the GW.dat file with the program mensioned in one of the other threads. It reduces the number of files enormously, so all files are found much faster.

Placing a mid range graphics card and increasing your memory abit can help too.

The Meth

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05 Mar 2008 at 14:20 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

I would suggest the OP and everyone with very low framerates on nvidia-based computers to first go to www.nvidia.com and download drivers for their graphics and/or chipset. I suspect that's where the problem is.

As far as i know Nvidia doesn't directly support the laptop drivers, thats the job of the manufacturer. It might work, but it might not. Worth a shot though.

Necro Quink

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05 Mar 2008 at 15:47 - 40

Most laptop manufacters have a build-in application that auto-updates your entire system of the latest drivers. You can find it at the manufacters website. Just need to know the model etc to find the right software.