Bow position
TwinRaven
From an archery standpoint, the vertical allows for a greater pull length. Tilting the bow slightly diagonal allows laeger breasted women the safty of firing without the self-inflicted nipple injury. This is, however NOT prefered. They will often buy a leather padded guard (sometimes stitched into the shirt/pocket providing a modicum of breast protection). If you have ever fired a bow, you'll know the value of a good wrist guard....I can't imagine what that equates to in "nipple pain"...I'm sure there is not comparison.
Curse You
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Originally Posted by TwinRaven
From an archery standpoint, the vertical allows for a greater pull length. Tilting the bow slightly diagonal allows laeger breasted women the safty of firing without the self-inflicted nipple injury. This is, however NOT prefered. They will often buy a leather padded guard (sometimes stitched into the shirt/pocket providing a modicum of breast protection). If you have ever fired a bow, you'll know the value of a good wrist guard....I can't imagine what that equates to in "nipple pain"...I'm sure there is not comparison.
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wraithe
i prefer vertical..i think it looks more realistic..but some char look good firing horizontal..
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Curse You
If it hurts so much, why not do what the Amazons did?
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Shyft the Pyro
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Originally Posted by Curse You
If it hurts so much, why not do what the Amazons did?
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DarkWasp
Well theres also a big difference in arm size.
Male rangers look muscular, females look toned.
Maybe their arms would wear out of they fired verticly all the time.
However, they can swing fellblades. If they wanted realism, male wariors and maybe dervishes would be the only ones able to swing those things that fast.
(But yeah, when female eles and necrros do the verticle its freaking awesome)
Male rangers look muscular, females look toned.
Maybe their arms would wear out of they fired verticly all the time.
However, they can swing fellblades. If they wanted realism, male wariors and maybe dervishes would be the only ones able to swing those things that fast.
(But yeah, when female eles and necrros do the verticle its freaking awesome)
cataphract
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Originally Posted by gremlin
Anyone else like to see crossbows ?
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The crossbow is a weapon for disposable troops since its handling requires little to nothing training. The bow is quite the opposite. Archers of many armies were highly trained, some even from childhood. Not everyone could use a bow efficiently but a crossbow was a no-brainer. In medieval Italy every household had one. Much like american households have a shotgun. Point, click, forget.
No crossbows, please.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by TwinRaven
...If you have ever fired a bow, you'll know the value of a good wrist guard....,...
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gremlin
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Originally Posted by cataphract
Not me.
The crossbow is a weapon for disposable troops since its handling requires little to nothing training. The bow is quite the opposite. Archers of many armies were highly trained, some even from childhood. Not everyone could use a bow efficiently but a crossbow was a no-brainer. In medieval Italy every household had one. Much like american households have a shotgun. Point, click, forget. No crossbows, please. |
Interesting argument against crossbows and it is true you can train someone to reasonable accuracy with a crossbow in a few hours.
The Longbowmen of the day started as children and spent 10 years or more to build up their strength and accuracy.
But if we do follow that for GW then only Rangers or an equivalent class should use bows.
In GW all the skills are "no brainers" since all it takes is a little money and a few minutes to allow any character to use another skill.
Personally I would like an asura repeating crossbow that needed a high expertise to use because it was so complicated.
Or a 1200 lb Siege arbalast that required great strength to use.
cataphract
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Originally Posted by gremlin
Personally I would like an asura repeating crossbow that needed a high expertise to use because it was so complicated.
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Let's take a bow as an example: requirement 9 Marksmanship, 15-28 damage range. That's all fine, but also allows non rangers to use a bow with no effort and next to nothing difference than a ranger. And that's not logical. In order to make weapons unique to a unique profession, they should somehow be tied to that professions primary attribute. This, however, would not be quite good enoguh because we'd like to allow other professions to use all weapons. Hence the dual requirement. Like this:
Bow; damage 15-28 (requires 9 Marksmanship); base damage range +5 (requires 9 Expertise). Same principle would be applied to every other weapon. This would accomplish something I really miss in GW - a feeling of a truly unique profession. It's not good when everyone can wield everyone else's weapon with almost same success.
Miss Puddles
my bows are almost always taller than my ranger is.
sideways it is
sideways it is
mrmango
Add bowstrings and arrows too. :P
genofreek
My derv holds hers vertically, and strikes a very heroic pose before firing. 
I wouldn't change a thing.
distilledwill
Ive noticed dervishes have a very rigid stlye of firing, with their legs straight and their body turned to the side. I think thats quite cool.
Lady S Shiva
male ranger was the first char i ever created, also the first char that got deleted, cause i don't like the way he shoots
a year later, made a female ranger in faction, she looks prettier and shoots prettier, ^_^
a year later, made a female ranger in faction, she looks prettier and shoots prettier, ^_^
cosyfiep
I dont play my ranger much, but I do have a mesmer ranger and I notice that she likes to do both horizontal and vertical with her bow.....
(same bow in the same battle, she changes positions, maybe because of the skills she is using??)
(same bow in the same battle, she changes positions, maybe because of the skills she is using??)
anonymous
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Originally Posted by doinchi
That would be quite nice actually. In addition choosing which is you "Main" hand would be cool. So if your left handed, you can wield your weapon on your left.
I mean its something I notice and would like to change, but it doesn't keep me up at night hehe. |
gremlin
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Originally Posted by cataphract
Expertise requirement is what should have been done with bows. Although, implementing a dual requirement on weapons and shields would be much more realistic.
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It's possible they didn't bother because they figured the prime class user would have more powerful skills to boost the base damage of the weapon.
For the most part this is true
It would be interesting to see how gw would work out if the secondary profession was much more limited than the prime.
That would make the prime class much more important, you would still be able to use skills and weapons of your secondary class but much less than at present.
DarkGanni
Vertically for me but I don't mind vertical.
crazybanshee
I prefer vertically, I just feel like the horizontal firing is kinda.. ghetto. I noticed that my female ele will sometimes fire one way, then start firing the other way. Figured those lousy bikini armors she's wearing were getting in her way
Liselle Morrow
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Originally Posted by anonymous
I thought left handed people held the bows in their right hand so they could pull the string with their left? I'm right handed and I pull the string with my right hand.
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Would be a nice thing if you could choose which hand to hold your bow with, though I can't say I care all that much. After all my ranger is already firing horizontally, which looks pretty and is something I'd normally not be able to do at archery without spearing the people next to me with the ends of my bow :P
If they started making it realistic they would also have to start adding bow strings, quivers, a finite arrow supply...etc etc. Now be honest who here would grumble at having to stock up on arrows at the merchant? *raises hand*
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by genofreek
My derv holds hers vertically, and strikes a very heroic pose before firing.
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A11Eur0
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Originally Posted by Inger
Really now... I've never seen that before, every female ranger (including my own) that i've seen has held their bow horizontally.
In terms of what the style means, in GW its just a matter of looks... now in real life I'm sure most ppl will say that firing a bow horizontally won't generate the same amount of power as vertically. |
Oh, and firing vertically gives you more vertical aim control, horizontal firing gives you more horizontal aim control.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by crazybanshee
I prefer vertically, I just feel like the horizontal firing is kinda.. ghetto. I noticed that my female ele will sometimes fire one way, then start firing the other way. Figured those lousy bikini armors she's wearing were getting in her way
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
You don't generate less power firing horizontally..you're still putting the same force into the string thus into the arrow. The difference is the added friction of the arrow against the bow itself when fired horizontally, more of the arrow has potential of touching the bow as it is launched.
Oh, and firing vertically gives you more vertical aim control, horizontal firing gives you more horizontal aim control. |
cataphract
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
You don't generate less power firing horizontally..you're still putting the same force into the string thus into the arrow.
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While firing horizontally you are unable to pull the string behind yourself thus greatly reducing the force available. Your own body becomes an obstacle. That is not the case while holding a bow vertically and you are able to pull the string just a little bit behind your ear. This pull, however, can still be increased by the use of a thumb-ring which enables you to pull the string even further.
Less pull = less force delivered. It's physics 101. A shortbow with its small pull does not have neither the range, nor the penetration of a longbow.
Shadowmere
well the style the bow is fired really dosen't affect me too much, some animations are more fun to watch than others but all in all i don't have to pay too close attention to them.
however i really really like the idea of choosing your characters off-hand. I want my character to be a lefty just like me!
Southpaws Unite!!!
however i really really like the idea of choosing your characters off-hand. I want my character to be a lefty just like me!
Southpaws Unite!!!
gremlin
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
You don't generate less power firing horizontally..you're still putting the same force into the string thus into the arrow. The difference is the added friction of the arrow against the bow itself when fired horizontally, more of the arrow has potential of touching the bow as it is launched.
Oh, and firing vertically gives you more vertical aim control, horizontal firing gives you more horizontal aim control. |
I am sorry to say it but that is incorrect.
The longbow in common with all the other simple bows have a rated pull weight and draw distance.
Mine was 60 lb at 28 inches
Every inch difference in pull distance increases or decreases the pull weight by 2 lb "although there is a rapid drop-off when the draw distance gets very small.
Holding a bow horizontally I can pull mine to 23 inches that's a reduction of 10 lb at least.
Vertically I can draw to 29 inches or if pushed 32 inches or 62 lb to 68 lb
That's a pretty important difference if your trying to penetrate armour at over 100 metres.
When you draw a bow you are not using arm strength but your back and shoulder muscles, vertically this works well and allowed archers of the past to draw very powerful bows of 130 lb and more this would be totally impossible using just the arms
Its also pretty hard to aim when you fire horizontally.