My rambling thoughts on the community.

Well I have to say I feel it is, hence the reason I'm against it.

PvE skills and title effects are optional when you can complete areas as fast as someone of equal skill who does have them without using them yourself.

i agree with this wholeheartedly. if there is a broken feature or something desperately needed im all for us pushing improvements. but day in day out we see people rather than giving constructive input, they label anet as omgwtfbbq epic PHAIL. and when people give constructive input they get bashed.

Play PvP. Your opinion will change.

But why? Look at other games. Months of grinding to gain advantages. In some, over a year of hardcore playing to reach the top of the ladder when it comes to a few skills/titles/attributes. Guild Wars is nothing compared to them. Sure, you can compare it to other things in guild wars itself, but nothing there takes significant time. It only looks like enough because nothing else is even close.

So because other games are worse it makes it better?

I base it on what I enjoy and what I dont. Im not saying there is or isnt to much. Im saying for me there is to much. That the ammount there is has a negative effect for me.

While by another game or someone elses standards it might have very little what people are looking for in games varies vastly.

It all comes down to how you look at it. You see Guild Wars as Guild Wars, I see it as just another gameplay style compared to other games like it. But I suppose there's nothing more to say than we disagree on this point.

I'll say what I dislike more than any QQers or people who complain about QQers are the people who post in nearly every thread on Guru, asking for a mod to close the thread.

1. A forum is for discussion, so what is a forum without opposing sides?
2. If you get opposing sides, you're bound to get debate. If you can't get used to it in here, I'll say you'll probably be suffering later on in the corporate world.

Agree to disagree ftw.

As much as I try not to get involved with these kind of threads...
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I agree 100% with the OP... <.<

*EDIT* And btw 10k faction is the work of an easy afternoon... Some people can make that in an hour...
If you won't even work that hard (which takes 8 AB games at the very most), then you have no business playing a Role Playing game. Besides, all the quests they send you on in the meantime more than help reach that number.

I agree with OP , but Dan the Noob is right.

PvP got boned out of Favor system, HoH drops (with zaishen chest), LONG title grinding (you can't argue pvp titles take a long long time lol).

PvP definately got the short end of the stick, people can argue, but ask anyone just how satisfied they are with pvp compared to before.

Someone saying QQ to everything is not an opposing opinion, it's a flame and degenerates the discussion to the point of liquidating the mind into a shapeless lump similar to a violent car crash.

If you were standing at a bus stop and someone asked you which presidental canidate you were voting for and then after you replied, they said "Well, I disagree and here's why.", you would continue to have a debate with that person.

If the same person screamed "YOU NEED TO VOTE FOR MY GUY AND BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T YOUR A FAG AND YOU NEED TO FIND A PLACE TO GO QQ SOME MORE!", you'd probably punch them in the face.

I agree with the above. That said the OP & CougarThe Tall imparticular made some good points.

If I may offer my opinion as a relatively new player. . .

Certain aspects of the game are outstanding. Yesterday I was having a bad day and just figured I'd wander off & explore a little. I ended up quite far from any Outpost and the game crashed.

When I re-started it took me right back to where I was. Saved me tons of time trying to get back there.

I've been learning how to play not using any pre-builds. When I finally made it through Dasha Vestibule using my own skill bar I had a sense of accomplishment.

As far as making money . . .

Like everybody I want to be rich. As CougarTT stated in his post though, I can get everything I NEED by completing missions.

To make some cash I participated as much as possible in the Canthan holiday then sold off 30K in fireworks. This gave me enough gold to buy myself a pet and some new armour, things that are nice but not needed.

My character is finally progressing so I'm hoping I can learn some "farming" techniques.

On Titles . . .

I really like the idea of the Titles. I think some people may be obsessed with attaining them but for me they're a nice little reward.

Again, some of theses titles can be gained just through normal game-play (those are the only ones I'll ever get).

The community here . . .

I have to say that in the short time I've been coming here I've found it to be overall a good group of people. That's why I decided to kick-in a donation.

You're always going to have trolls and people flaming but compared to some forums I go to this place is nothing.

I've also noticed that Gaille posts here. Nice to have a person from Anet that actually posts on a forum giving accurate information.

In conclusion . . .

What I like about GW (NF at least) is that it rewards you for playing the game as intended but doesn't FORCE you into the cookie-cutter player mold.

I've just completed quests and so far I've gotten Sunspear Castellan & Lightbringer titles and I'm about 2% shy of my first explorer title.

I know they may be the easiset titles to get in the game but guess what?

They're mine & I earned them by having fun. Isn't that what it's all about?

I think sometimes people go over the top when they criticise Anet but most of the time they're just trying to help Anet to improve the game.

Another thing: I don't understand all the hatred for PvX wiki, it's really helpful to beginners who aren't uax'ed and can't afford to buy lots of skills.

Would you rather mess around with a mending war and have 'fun' getting wiped or learn how to play good builds and become a better player?

Most of those 'elitist pricks' are that way because they don't want to want sub-par people dragging them down, especially when it comes to PvP or high end area's that take a lot of effort to do.

It's just like work, would you like to team up with somebody who's stupid and useless? Of course not, you'd want to team up with someone a similar level to you or better so you can learn. I'm sorry that's the way the world works.

I dislike titles but i am pretty sure loads of people love them too, fair play to them. They had to give us something to do until GW2 comes out. Titles are quick and easy to implement which allows Anet to spend more time on GW2; it's a lot better than nothing.

That’s just my opinion, for the record 90% of the time I try and help people, give advice and not be rude.

The 10% would be GvG (when people aren't doing they're job) and when i am tired and just can't be bothered - i am sure that happens to everyone.

The simple fact is that half the people I see who make mistakes NEVER learn, EVER, they still go on thinking their mending wammo is good. "They'll learn from their mistakes" is good in theory, but far from in practice.

"Elitist pricks" will always exist, but so will retarded noobs in denial who never see their own mistakes.

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QFT.

Except that it seems most any person who poses an opposing argument, complains about any aspect of the game, or shows his dislike for Anet (unlike the OP who's lavishly piled it on) these days is called QQ. And thus runs the high risk of getting his thread or a random other thread he's posting in, closed. So exactly defined by whose terms?

Actually, I'd be more inclined to take someone a little weaker than I am at work. Then I'd be able to teach them, hopefully bringing them up to my level in order to be a suitable partner, or a valuable asset somewhere else.

If they prove actively hostile to learning, of course, then I'd reconsider.

To the OP:

I'm not going to repeat my own personal beefs here, because they'd just be muddying the waters in this particular discussion, except to mention that I do have them... and yet Guild Wars is still high enough up in my list of games of choice that I frequent a forum devoted to it. However, going to the core of the issue, there's a quote I think is relevant here. I can't remember exactly how it goes or who said it, but the general gist is:

"The true patriot is not the one who refuses to hear any criticism of his nation, but who does everything in his power to improve it."

With the exception of the odd player who's abandoned GW for WoW and is trying to encourage others to do the same, the OMGIMQUITTING4EVAH crowd, and other such lowlife, everyone who posts a criticism of the game on the board is doing so out of honest intent to make the game better. You might disagree on whether they're right, and I might disagree on whether their right, and the two of us may disagree on whether they're right or not, but at the most basic level, they're all trying to do what they can to improve the game with the tools they have available.

All that said, some people could stand to be a little more polite in the way they couch their criticism - it's for their own benefit after all. People are more like to read and think about an argument that is presented politely, after all, while if they feel unsulted they're much more likely to stick their heels in... and I'm sure that goes for the development team as much as it does for other posters.

I don't find this forum to be especially welcome to newcomers, and quite frankly, the majority of so-called "experts" who post here take the game (and their relative importance in it) far too seriously. Constructive criticism is one thing - sarcastic, inflammatory, and demeaning criticism is another. Telling people to develop thicker skins is such a cop out - and why on earth should people change their perceptions to accommodate your anti-social and bellicose natures? Funny enough, the people who advise others to do so are often some of the thinnest-skinned individuals in the game, if their responses to perceived insults is any indication. Flaming is so much easier when you're hiding behind the anonymity of the internet, but see how far that gets you in real life. This entire board is /epicphail, given the service it purports to offer the GW community.

To the OP

Yes, there are many QQers in this forum, which is why i participate in this forum. Instead of posting a mere thread to antagonise them, set an example by being helpful, arguing in a civilized manner and ensuring newcomers to behave properly.

What leaves me perplexed is the level of maturity that members have. Things such as cat pictures annoy me to the very core, causing me to usually type /requestlock whenever i see one. Furthermore, many posters feel that the internet allows them to leave their brain and maturity somewhere in the other room, allowing cheap, fruitless behaviour to take place.

These are such things i despise. But it is hypocritical of you to ramble against something which is the exact opposite of what you see it as.

Perhaps i shall bring this bleak black and white outlook with a colourful example.

It is like the communist arguing his tiredness of the fascist.

You argued points against grinding, ursan etc. i completely agree with you. But such is the difference of thoughts between people, and while you think reaching level 17 or commander is not a grind, another would find it extremely tedious, particularly if they have done the quests required on 3 characters already.

overall however you are right. People are just not willing to adapt i guess

I think there is a lot of truth in that statement. I'm relatively new here and was excited to find this board so I could learn more about the game and to hopefully have some questions answered that I have had for some time. Being new to this board, but not boards in general, I used that very little known search button to look stuff up before posting. After finding people with the same questions I had and the "answers" given to them, I was less than elated. I figured either everybody already knew the answers and found it necessary to berate the OP, or they had no idea but felt it necessary to berate the OP in order to look cool. Instead of this being a tremendous resource, it was a tremendous dissapointment. I'm guessing it has to do with the average age/maturity level of the users. Oh well, it's not a perfect world I guess.....

*Sigh*
There's an old addage we old farts used to say alot:
A community is what YOU make of it.
I haven't seen many of the naysayers-complainers that are posting in this thread NOW...post many encouraging, uplifting..humble posts on guru before?
A little humility, and good sportsmanship goes a long way.
Myself personally..being as my english sux you know what, preffer the more humerous approach, but..at least it gets my points across...

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