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Originally Posted by Trelliz
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What is a bad player?
Elisabet Ramsey
TheRaven
I wish more pugs were willing to help out newbie players instead of kicking at the first sign of weakness. Perhaps then we would have better players. Instead the bad players just stay bad and don't say anything for fear of being kicked/cussed out.
A while ago I was in a forming pug for Duncan's Dungeon in Slaver's Exile, HM. We had 7/8 and needed a tank to go. We'd already been out to the dungeon once and had to return because someone didn't have the dungeon unlocked....Grrr...even after everyone said they did in town.
We reformed the team back at town after finally figuring out who the culprit was. We had been waiting a long time to get started and just needed that elusive tank to start.
A tank finally joined, but he admitted that he'd never done the dungeon before. He pinged the common Obsidian tank build used here but said he'd need coaching. My team was willing to take him along and help him out although we were a bit nervous. (This was Duncan HM remember)
Well he died on the way running to the dungeon, but a 2nd runner got us there. Once inside, he turned out to be a decent tank. He wasn't perfect by any stretch but he got the job done. He was very good natured and had a good sense of humor when he died. Our monks and necro were very experienced with the dungeon and coached him. They would flag the map and tell him to "stand here" and he listened well to the instructions.
After the first few mobs he asked us to critique his performance honestly. He said please don't tell me I'm doing "fine" if I'm not. I want to learn and improve.
This tank was a good player. He wasn't the most polished tank I've seen, but it was a pleasure doing the dungeon with this pug. Everyone did their job and helped the team succeed and we finished Duncan in about an hour.
A while ago I was in a forming pug for Duncan's Dungeon in Slaver's Exile, HM. We had 7/8 and needed a tank to go. We'd already been out to the dungeon once and had to return because someone didn't have the dungeon unlocked....Grrr...even after everyone said they did in town.
We reformed the team back at town after finally figuring out who the culprit was. We had been waiting a long time to get started and just needed that elusive tank to start.
A tank finally joined, but he admitted that he'd never done the dungeon before. He pinged the common Obsidian tank build used here but said he'd need coaching. My team was willing to take him along and help him out although we were a bit nervous. (This was Duncan HM remember)
Well he died on the way running to the dungeon, but a 2nd runner got us there. Once inside, he turned out to be a decent tank. He wasn't perfect by any stretch but he got the job done. He was very good natured and had a good sense of humor when he died. Our monks and necro were very experienced with the dungeon and coached him. They would flag the map and tell him to "stand here" and he listened well to the instructions.
After the first few mobs he asked us to critique his performance honestly. He said please don't tell me I'm doing "fine" if I'm not. I want to learn and improve.
This tank was a good player. He wasn't the most polished tank I've seen, but it was a pleasure doing the dungeon with this pug. Everyone did their job and helped the team succeed and we finished Duncan in about an hour.
Faure
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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
That's not the definition of NOOB/NEWBIE where I come from.
NOOB = Idiot Moron Stupid Dumb Ignorant Retard Loser NEWBIE = New to the game or experience: Just beginning to learn (they have a short period of time to catch on about 2 weeks and if they haven't by then then they are moved up in ranks to NOOB!) <grin> Sorry, but, wiki isn't the be all know all of definitions and what they mean if you believe that then YOU are a NOOB! haha |
.Apart from that of course everyone is completely free to give their own intepretation to a word
. Just wanted to point out Noob originates from newbie
Terraban
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Originally Posted by Faure
No, that's why i posted definitions from 4 different sites
.Apart from that of course everyone is completely free to give their own intepretation to a word . Just wanted to point out Noob originates from newbie |
Doesn't mean they are the same thing....
Redfeather1975
It was so long ago when the word first appeared people probably use it now in place of newb without knowing how it came to be. But Knightfall is right, Noob was originally used to offend people.
kratimas
There are no bad players.
Krat
Krat
angmar_nite
A bad player is one who cannot get his job done in the most efficient way possible, whilst maintaining an attitude others in his presence can tolerate.
Kos Luftar
I'm a BAED player. Just ask my guild!
angmar_nite
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Yichi
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Originally Posted by kratimas
There are no bad players.
Krat |
Made In Ascalon
IMHO, the only bad players are the ones who refuse to listen to constructive criticism or advise, taking it as a personal affront. They are stubborn, arrogant, and immature, destined to make mediocre accomplishments and weigh down their teams in any format. They also cause drama.
A new player may do badly at first, but if they're a good player, they'll learn from their mistakes, perhaps research better strategies, accept advice from their guild members or friends, and eventually do well.
A new player may do badly at first, but if they're a good player, they'll learn from their mistakes, perhaps research better strategies, accept advice from their guild members or friends, and eventually do well.
pumpkin pie
they gone bad when you see pus and worms oozing from them.
kratimas
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Originally Posted by Yichi
what game are you playing?
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arsie
I'll take a weak player over one with a bad attitude.
Then I'll take a weak player who is willing to listen and learn over one that does not, which kinda means he has a bad attitude.
Then I'll take a weak player who is willing to listen and learn over one that does not, which kinda means he has a bad attitude.
Yichi
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Originally Posted by kratimas
Guild Wars and you?
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Avarre
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Originally Posted by Yichi
same game. and trust me, there are a shitload of bad players in this game.
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tmakinen
There are so many different criteria for 'being a bad player' that the union of all of them most likely consists of every player in GW.
My new motto: "All players are bad, only some of them more obviously so"
- an unskilled player
- a selfish player
- a dishonest player
- a player unable to learn from mistakes
- a player with an attitude problem
- a player unable to express himself in a coherent manner
- a player with a real life who cannot play 80+ hours a week
- anyone who disagrees with me about fashion issues
My new motto: "All players are bad, only some of them more obviously so"
Avarre
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Originally Posted by tmakinen
There are so many different criteria for 'being a bad player' that the union of all of them most likely consists of every player in GW.
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I bet he would have been good at GW, too.
MirkoTeran
Cole Sear: I see bad people.
Malcolm Crowe: In your dreams?
[Cole shakes his head no]
Malcolm Crowe: While you're awake?
[Cole nods]
Malcolm Crowe: Bad people like, in graves? In coffins?
Cole Sear: Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're bad.
Malcolm Crowe: How often do you see them?
Cole Sear: All the time. They're everywhere.
Malcolm Crowe: In your dreams?
[Cole shakes his head no]
Malcolm Crowe: While you're awake?
[Cole nods]
Malcolm Crowe: Bad people like, in graves? In coffins?
Cole Sear: Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're bad.
Malcolm Crowe: How often do you see them?
Cole Sear: All the time. They're everywhere.
tmakinen
Thanks for a good laugh, MirkoTeran
Yes, that's a good and rational criterion, and one with which many players (with reservations me including) can agree. However (and I believe that we have discussed this before as well), it is not the only possible criterion. A guild of role playing people might have a vastly different opinion. The recent Mallyx debacle and the ensuing epic 'discussion' on these forums gave a very interesting insight to yet another - even more subjective - criterion that some people seem to apply, that only the small group of people to which the player happens to belong is 'leet' and everybody else is 'bad'. Quite honestly, people who consider themselves 'bad players' are few and far between, and it's a perfectly human condition that everybody picks a criterion that shows themselves in good light.
As long as an universally agreed and objective criterion for determining a bad player doesn't exist all we have are subjective opinions. They are useful in the sense that people with similar opinions will be able to gravitate together (unless, of course, they happen to be discordians ) and thus play the game as they wish it to be played, in a supportive environment. However, discerning the difference between opinions and facts is also desirable because taking one for the other is what flamewars are made of.
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Originally Posted by Avarre
When I think about bad 'player', I consider that to be someone who is bad at playing the game.
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As long as an universally agreed and objective criterion for determining a bad player doesn't exist all we have are subjective opinions. They are useful in the sense that people with similar opinions will be able to gravitate together (unless, of course, they happen to be discordians
) and thus play the game as they wish it to be played, in a supportive environment. However, discerning the difference between opinions and facts is also desirable because taking one for the other is what flamewars are made of.
Darkobra
A lot of warriors are terrible players. Then again, it applies for every game I've ever played with a warrior. Barbarians in Diablo 2, Warriors in this...
Grasping Darkness
imo a bad player is someone who trolls pve outposts about how they pwn all in pvp and then get bitch slapped in pvp by pve players, then QQ about how theyre gonna get someone banned who they lost to and put together armor sets like this
oops i didnt black out the name fully
oops i didnt black out the name fully
masta_yoda
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Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness
imo a bad player is someone who trolls pve outposts about how they pwn all in pvp and then get bitch slapped in pvp by pve players, then QQ about how theyre gonna get someone banned who they lost to and put together armor sets like this
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cebalrai
A bad player is one who doesn't try to get better. Either they don't think there's room for improvement or they lack the capacity to learn from their mistakes.
Taurucis
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Originally Posted by Darkobra
A lot of warriors are terrible players. Then again, it applies for every game I've ever played with a warrior. Barbarians in Diablo 2, Warriors in this...
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The bad warriors are usually the ones you find standing in the outposts spamming "TANK LFG" "WORRIER LFG" "LFG LFG TAKE ME U NOOBS" and all of the good warriors have already gone into the mission/dungeon.
I don't even play my Warrior for tank&spank, most of the time I'm sword DPS with maybe... one or two defensive skills, depending on what zone I'm in. It may be my job to make sure that monsters don't go for the backline, but it's not my job to mitigate damage. That's what the prot monk (Prot monk, not bonder) is for.
Another good example of bad players are the ones who adhere to tank&spank like flies to flypaper. They're too afraid to do anything new even in an easy area like FoW, so they just stick to what they heard works - ob flesh tank (overkill for FoW) 4 nukers, one heal monk, one bonder monk (again, overkill for FoW... and shatter enchantment > bonders) and a BiP (just to keep the bonder happy). My guild and I have gone in with groups like... a warrior, paragon, a few necros, two monks, and a mesmer... without any nukers, we still do fine and we have even more fun because we don't stick to what's been tried and done so many times it's disgusting.
@Grasping Darkness
Some guy in my guild and I love that picture, I think the priceless part is how he's saying "WAT" like he has no clue.
Zahr Dalsk
People who feel the need for a tank.
carnage-runner
Imo... You got BK's... (Bad Kids, just shortened it a little) These types of players don't listen, don't help, and generally seem to be doing everything within their ability to screw you and your group/team over. Then you got Noob's. Newbs. Newbies. N00bs. And any other retarded variation you have. They seem to be screwing up alot, but they just don't know better. They learn and listen, or they become BK's.
The BK is the worst type of player to encounter because they are actively working against you, and generally succeed. Seeing as it is so easy to screw up a team.
You want the WOrSt players in guildwars... Well that's what they are. BK's. They tend to sit in the BK lounge and eat Junior Whoopers because they are so pathetic and what not.
The BK is the worst type of player to encounter because they are actively working against you, and generally succeed. Seeing as it is so easy to screw up a team.
You want the WOrSt players in guildwars... Well that's what they are. BK's. They tend to sit in the BK lounge and eat Junior Whoopers because they are so pathetic and what not.
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by Darkobra
A lot of warriors are terrible players. Then again, it applies for every game I've ever played with a warrior. Barbarians in Diablo 2, Warriors in this...
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ogre_jd
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
It is a common first class for people to start out with. People just think swords/axes are cool. Thus there are a lot of "newbs" (not noobs) who play as warriors, so a bad perception sticks (generally on Wammos).
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- Tain -
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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath
A bad player is somebody who doesn't learn from his mistakes and doesn't want to.
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Sir Pandra Pierva
a bad player is a person who thinks 1v1 scrimming is what makes you pro.
anyone who calls themselves pro at a game, unless they get payed to play.
anyone who calls someone a noob for blinding a warrior or blocking their attack chain.
that is a bad player.
anyone who calls themselves pro at a game, unless they get payed to play.
anyone who calls someone a noob for blinding a warrior or blocking their attack chain.
that is a bad player.
freaky naughty
A bad player is a player who can't beat the game in normal mode. Easy as that, no need for all these complicated definitions.
Yichi
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Originally Posted by freaky naughty
A bad player is a player who can't beat the game in normal mode. Easy as that, no need for all these complicated definitions.
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ogre_jd
PvP isn't the entire game, Yichi, nor even a big part of it for many people.
truemyths
Bad Player = anyone with one of the below:
- no sense of humor
- intolerant of imperfection
- intolerant of people who "know less" than they do
- unkind
- Unwilling to help others
- no sense of humor
- intolerant of imperfection
- intolerant of people who "know less" than they do
- unkind
- Unwilling to help others
Res Ipsi
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Originally Posted by Taurucis
Another good example of bad players are the ones who adhere to tank&spank like flies to flypaper. They're too afraid to do anything new even in an easy area like FoW, so they just stick to what they heard works - ob flesh tank (overkill for FoW) 4 nukers, one heal monk, one bonder monk (again, overkill for FoW... and shatter enchantment > bonders) and a BiP (just to keep the bonder happy)..
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OT: A bad player is someone who gets through the missions/quests/etc. by riding on the coattails of very good players, then boasts about how "leet" they are to anyone who will listen.
beregond
My definitions of bad players:
Someone said it before, but people who sit around saying they can pwn you in pvp, but they never can.
Unfortunately a lot of warriors are noobs, and its frustrating dealing with them in groups. I've seen a lot more noob warriors then any other class.
People who just spam lots of cussing, or have innapropriate behavior in the local chat, whcih is why I always turn mine off now.
People who don't listen to directions in a group, and end up making us lose because they did something stupid.
Those are a few. I don't do a lot of pvp, but in ab's and Fort Aspenwood, leechers get annoying...I concider them very bad.
Oh yeah, and that too for sure.
Someone said it before, but people who sit around saying they can pwn you in pvp, but they never can.
Unfortunately a lot of warriors are noobs, and its frustrating dealing with them in groups. I've seen a lot more noob warriors then any other class.
People who just spam lots of cussing, or have innapropriate behavior in the local chat, whcih is why I always turn mine off now.
People who don't listen to directions in a group, and end up making us lose because they did something stupid.
Those are a few. I don't do a lot of pvp, but in ab's and Fort Aspenwood, leechers get annoying...I concider them very bad.
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OT: A bad player is someone who gets through the missions/quests/etc. by riding on the coattails of very good players, then boasts about how "leet" they are to anyone who will listen.
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HuntMaster Avatar
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Originally Posted by Harmless
It all depends on what you value.
For me: Bad players = 1. People with bad attitudes. 2. People who like to cause other people pain and grief. 3. People who try and take advantage of you. 4. People who are too lazy to do for themselves and want others to do for them. Good players = 1. Friendly, helpful, considerate, generous. 2. Like a challenge, like to learn. 3. Have a good sense of humor, don't take things too dang serious. 4. Don't think they are better than everyone else. |