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Mordiego

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22 Feb 2008 at 15:44 - 1

I doubt someone can say something against the oppinion that Ursan Blessing is ruining the game economy. Since it was introduced we can observe gigantic depreciation of value on many of the prestigous game items...

In addition it enabled countless hordes of noobs to enter (and thus spoil) some of the elite in-game areas. I am not even visiting DoA any more because of that fact.

In my oppinion it should be either removed or seriously nerfed.
What do you guys think?

PS. I do have the skill and my Norn is at R10 (for those with the intention of flaming)

Stockholm

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22 Feb 2008 at 15:50 - 2

No, it should not be nerfed or removed, if it helps more players to experience parts of the game that they othervice would not have done then thats good.
I'm sorry for you if it depriciates your valubels, but it's a game.

Kattar

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22 Feb 2008 at 15:54 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stockholm

I'm sorry for you if it depriciates your valubels, but it's a game.

Yeah, basically. And there's thread about this everyday as well. Search button is your friend.

Team Ramrod

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22 Feb 2008 at 15:56 - 4

No, because I could care less about the economy, and I care about getting tormented weapons for cheap.

Orange Milk

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22 Feb 2008 at 15:59 - 5

It needs removed.

Over 1100 skills in the game, billions of build options, all reduced to one "Blessing" and thats it, all you need. Such a waste.

I don't care that "noobs" can use it, I don't care that it helps people experience other areas, I don't care about it "de-valueing" things, I just think it's down right stupid.

Uber Mass

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retired from gw [agro] still ftw

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:02 - 6

we defo need to nerf down the threads about ursan blessing..

still needs to be nerfed tho but chances are they not gonna do it anyways

Tyla

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:02 - 7

It needs to be nerfed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Over 1100 skills in the game, billions of build options, all reduced to one "Blessing" and thats it, all you need. Such a waste.

This.

I care less about the economy.

It also cuts down myself to Guild and H/H because the alliance is stupid and wants only high ranked.

But seriously, there are enough threads for this. Post there.

Mouse at Large

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:07 - 8

I've not really contributed anything to this debate, but my purely personal view is as follows.

The few times I've played with Ursan users in PUGs, they have been, without exception horribly selfish and apparently unskilled players. Here's and example. For some illogical reason, I like helping players through THK. In a recent group, the only Ursan decided he was invincible and despite everyone else agreeing to camp the king, rushed off and aggroed multiple groups. Despite our best efforts we wiped.

I'm not saying all Ursan users are like this, but I don't use Ursan, and in future will probably avoid pugging with Ursan users.

However, I don't see any need to nerf it. Just make a small change so any toon with Ursan equipped shambles about with its knuckles dragging on the ground, so I know who to avoid.......

Koudelka

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:09 - 9

Far more significantly for me might I add is the total narrowing of builds. I can rarely get into a group in ToA because everyone is either Ursan, HB, or a "noob". It's pathetic. Ursan shows little skill, and is a breeding ground for elitism (i.e. use HB, WoH or get lost). I am all for nerfing the blessing.

N1ghtstalker

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:10 - 10

/signed
i used to go DoA and now not anymore
why? Ursan
noobs are flooding DoA and an experienced player like me doesn't go there anymore
it's all to waste
i liked the old system wich was much better
but now this stupid ursan thing RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs everything up

t00115577

Wilds Pathfinder

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:12 - 11

LOL

URSAN

OWNS

EVERYTHING!!

BUFF URSAN FTW!!!!!!!!!!!

+1 free posts roflmao

Tyla

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:17 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mouse at Large

The few times I've played with Ursan users in PUGs, they have been, without exception horribly selfish and apparently unskilled players.

Agreed.
Some mate of mine was running an Ursan monk and ended up rushing mobs and dying in HM.
Dunno why he did it though....fool he was!

pfaile

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Orlando

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:25 - 13

I have only done a UB group once for Urogz. It was actually fun. Sorry, all of my drops were crap, but I had fun. After it was over I dropped UB and went back to my regular build, and I continued to have fun. In the future if I want to go do another elite area and I find a group that will have me along I will go along, if they say they are going to go as a UB group, I will go UB... to have fun. I could really care less about the economy.

Linksys

Jungle Guide

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:27 - 14

Yeah Ursan makes things really easy. Less challenge and risk. But lower the prices for expensive items in the trade market? Heck yeah. Infact make Ursan even more powerful.

Milennin

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:28 - 15

I joined an Ursan PUG in DoA yesterday and finally managed to beat one of the areas. I think it was great fun, at least much better than the Obsidian Tank crap.=D
Ursan makes Domain of Anguish fun.=P At least I don't have to join some random elite guild or have lots of experienced friends to beat it now.^^

RTSFirebat

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:34 - 16

/no no no

I wish there was a way to nerf you people QQing about UB. Stop whining.

Maria The Princess

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Aequitas Deis

22 Feb 2008 at 16:37 - 17

i dont care about economy, i just dont want to be forced to use ursan everywhere i go and need to join a group....

i mean seriously, if i really wanted to play like this, i would make a whole bunch of diffrent looking warriors instead of my 10 (1 of each class) characters.

MirkoTeran

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:38 - 18

Is it a good time to say "I told you so"?

Linksys

Jungle Guide

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:40 - 19

I'm usually a ranger and have never been turned away from an Ursan group for not being a warrior. Also I don't recall being in a group that strictly only wanted Ursans and a monk or two. You may find groups that will let you do other builds.

carpboss

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:41 - 20

i dont no if yall was around but after gems price droped in doa no 1 woudd go there.ursan has brought life back to doa and give u someting to do.anyways y nerf ursan all 4 of the gems can be farmed ne way 2 or 3 man for titans/margo in foundry e/a build fot torments and solo trap veil. most of the gems have not even drop to where they was right after every1 stoped doing doa.it was after all stoped going to doa that the gems price went back up.then ursan came and droped them again.also ursan let u get stuff for ur HOM that u would not been able to get with say a mes or like a sin.

t00115577

Wilds Pathfinder

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Mo/

22 Feb 2008 at 16:42 - 21

you wanna use different builds, do it with your guild

Ye can be

We Hate Ursan But We Are [POOR]

RiKio

Krytan Explorer

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:46 - 22

Why are you still posting here, if Anet won´t take care?

Anet wants clients, and, unfortunately, those clients want an invici-mode-like skill. So, it isn´t Anet, it is the large number of bad players who want a godmode.

Also, UB was desgined for allow professions like Mesmer and Assasins to play in groups in PVE. Removing or nerfing the skill would be the end of the PvP-oriented professions.

Solas

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:47 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordiego

I doubt someone can say something against the oppinion that Ursan Blessing is ruining the game economy. Since it was introduced we can observe gigantic depreciation of value on many of the prestigous game items...

Dupeing and inflation have also contributed yet you have not mentioned these.FDS and IDS have also lost value but we didnt cry ursan.

Also anymore people 55 then ursan.... 55-ing takes only a glance every few secounds, it allows any area without enchantment stripers or heavy healing to be solo'd. even the Uw and "elite area " can be duo-d in HM, and there are 3 -man farm teams for DoA

Quote:

In addition it enabled countless hordes of noobs to enter (and thus spoil) some of the elite in-game areas. I am not even visiting DoA any more because of that fact.

How Dare they Go to an area in a gmae in which they paid for! everyone started somewhere...

Honestly does Tank with eles behind a wall really require skill?..no it doesn't (Was ele, was boring as hell)so ursan doesn't lower the skill level. (Ursan More fun)...but then again ...does fun belong in a video game?

Quote:

In my oppinion it should be either removed or seriously nerfed.
What do you guys think?

Unless 55 is nerfed i see no reason to nerf ursan. Fun>Grind

I dont have anything against 55-ers, so no flames please.

Darkobra

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:49 - 24

This is the best parody thread EVER! .... Wait. No. You can't be serious. You just can't. You had all the points of the whining down perfectly to such a point that they even conflicted each other.

fanatic 's faith

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:49 - 25

It should not be removed at all. It gives ALL players the possibility to join in elite missions etc. The price of armbraces shouldn't be at 100k+35e.
Ordinairy weapons should be able to get by evreyone, without having to spend days on farming.Although the RARE items may remain high priced, because you have a cheaper version of those same skins etc.
You shouldnt be super rich to buy a torment item. 50k would do IMO.

N1ghtstalker

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:56 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by t00115577

you wanna use different builds, do it with your guild

Ye can be

We Hate Ursan But We Are [POOR]

We Hate Ursan But We Got [Skill] is better

Artorius.Maximus

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:56 - 27

Does it really matter, the economy already sucks. Ectos were 8k a year and a half ago, shards were 4k then. Now Ectos are around 5kish and shards are around 2kish. Look at it this way, you can go get your FoW armor for about 2/3 the cost that it used to be.

PS: I don't bother to use Ursan Blessing (partly because I haven't bothered to grind to r8+) because I can handle most anything without it with a good group.

payne

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:57 - 28

floggin the dead horse ftw

weres my cookie?

U Wanna Die

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:59 - 29

I think the damage should stay the same, and basis should remain, but it should have a different time basis. It may stay the same, but it should be limited to only X minutes or something so it doesnt stay forever.

You can't see me

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22 Feb 2008 at 16:59 - 30

Depriciation is already here. It's too late to save it.

/Not Signed.

Venture

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22 Feb 2008 at 17:01 - 31

I guess I am a hypocrite, I always complain about ursan then find myself using it. I mainly play a sin and especially in factions its hard to get into groups, except if you have high norn rank and ursan. The main thing I see as a weakness with ursan is that you require someone else to heal you, other than that its just about invincible. I find it odd that one skill has replaced the need for a good build, and some thought in how to use it.

Drakken Breathes Fire

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22 Feb 2008 at 17:06 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

/no no no

I wish there was a way to nerf you people QQing about UB. Stop whining.

You are my hero.

And yes, all you babies need to either have your nuts drop or stop playing all together.

majikmajikmajik

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22 Feb 2008 at 17:07 - 33

i see this post and think when is the 600/smiter gunna be nerfed cuz they deflated the price of a maxed q9 perf sygain axe black dyed to free/3k? which used to be 50k...

/not signed

quit bitching and QQ to your mommy!

t00115577

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Mo/

22 Feb 2008 at 17:09 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakken Breathes Fire

You are my hero.

And yes, all you babies need to either have your nuts drop or stop playing all together.

Ye i agree 100%, theres no way that when you Ursan in DOA and your flogging away 5 vs 20, like some damn scene from 300 'THIS IS WHERE WE HOLD THEM!' that you dont honestly love it

Go on, admit it, you love it

Drakken Breathes Fire

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22 Feb 2008 at 17:23 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by t00115577

Ye i agree 100%, theres no way that when you Ursan in DOA and your flogging away 5 vs 20, like some damn scene from 300 'THIS IS WHERE WE HOLD THEM!' that you dont honestly love it

Go on, admit it, you love it

THIS IS WHERE WE FIGHT, THIS IS WHERE THEY DIE!!

*edit ps close kthx.*

Dronte

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22 Feb 2008 at 17:26 - 36

Its too late already.

Pleikki

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22 Feb 2008 at 17:28 - 37

I think it should be removed from those parts of the game its not requirement like that quest. But from all farming places and exploable areas it should be removed. to use it you dont need talent.

Richardt

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22 Feb 2008 at 17:57 - 38

For those that have had experience with the Ursan running off and getting killed.....I can say that the idea that Ursan=Invicible comes from....well...the community.

It really frustrates me when people say it requires no skill-you're just hitting the same repetitive buttons. Well......that's true for any build lol. The fact is that you still still need to know the area you're going into. The difference between Ursan and a "balance" group is that Ursan is a little more forgiving with mistakes.

I don't think Ursan should be nerfed. And even if it was, it'd still be used! It won't change anything. And TBH I'd rather have someone with Ursan tanking that some guy with some random skill bar that gets the party killed every. single. time.

It's A Me

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22 Feb 2008 at 18:00 - 39

[QUOTE=Artorius.Maximus]Does it really matter, the economy already sucks. Ectos were 8k a year and a half ago, shards were 4k then. Now Ectos are around 5kish and shards are around 2kish. Look at it this way, you can go get your FoW armor for about 2/3 the cost that it used to be.[QUOTE=Artorius.Maximus]

Yeah, thats true, but theres less money going around for players who have just started or havent been playing since then. Lower ecto prices doesnt make it that easier to make cash in the game, there are still plenty of ways for people to make money, its just harder to start off now imo.

On topic, I dont think ursan shouldnt get nerfed, it gives people a chance (like myself) that want to do an area with minimal hassle because we dont have the time to sit down for hours on end for one quest/ area. Sure i could learn to do it the old way, and im not a bad player either, but if it gives people a better opportunity to have a go at these harder areas, then let them.

Oh, and the economy was gonna go down no matter what, ursan helped, but like other people said there are loads of other reason why the prices were going down on high end items.

And there are tons of other posts like this, just search -_-.

RedNova88

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22 Feb 2008 at 18:07 - 40

IMO Ursan should have been a gimmick like the wurms in NF but it's too late for that... Just don't use Ursan and take pride in the fact that you're not resorting to easy easy easy easy easy mode to accomplish whatever it is you're doing.

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