Any use for Locusts Fury?

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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Since I PvE mostly is there any good use for this skill? I haven't used it for a while so I was curious. Normally I stick with mobius strike as my elite but I was thinking LF+critical agility might be a good combo for my sassi... Most non-boss mobs don't live long enough to justify Mobius for me unless there is a healer around. Any thoughts about it?

Shogunshen

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

You're giving up AoE damage and substituting a vastly inferior DPS. Stick with MS/DB.

xDusT II

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Melbourne

There's not much point buffing your default attacks on a sin.

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

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You really need to go some to make it work - essentially, stacking +dmg buffs on to your attacks to get the most out of it - Strength of Honour, Conjures, Splinter Weapon, Orders... stuff like that.
If you've got a friend with you, Great Dwarf Weapon is ideal with Locust's Fury.

yum

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/E

fear meh or SY

Bohya

Bohya

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Vabbi

Farming Crewuk [fcuk]

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I use a good dps PvE build sometimes on my sin (When I'm bored and can't be arsed using attack skills normaly)

Attributes:

Critical Strikes 12+1
Fire/Water/Air Magic 9 (I sometimes use vigorus spirit instead)
Dagger Master 8+2

Skills:



The other 3 skill slots I usualy fill in with quick recharging attack skills with death blossom.

Try the build out for yourself. It can dispatch guys relitively quickly. (Not tested in PvP)

Keekles

Keekles

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Floating amongst the ethereal seas of placating breezes.

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I make one of my heroes run locust's fury with flurry while I put great dwarf weapon on them ._. Then throw barbs on what they're hitting and watch the numbers fly.

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw
Any use for Locusts Fury? short answer: no

RedNova88

RedNova88

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
short answer: no What about Drunken Master+Critical Agility+Locust's Fury+Conjure? I've never tried it all together but I have tried Crit Agility with DM and they stack so that makes things nasty for your enemy.

C2K

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedNova88
What about Drunken Master+Critical Agility+Locust's Fury+Conjure? I've never tried it all together but I have tried Crit Agility with DM and they stack so that makes things nasty for your enemy. Critical Agility maxes out your Increased Attack speed, so unless you are using it for movement speed, DM is wasted here.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

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used to be good w fear me but now thats dead so no

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Other than being a bad skill, no.

Axel Zinfandel

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

P/W

Personally, it's good for indefinitly spamming SY, and along with a bunch of damage buffs (Strength of Honor, Orders, Conjure (possibly), Splinter weap, Great Dwarf) it can be deadly.

It's fun to use it with Vigorous spirit and Way of Perfection, but I can't think of anytime you'd need that much sheer healing. Survivor maybe :/

For Locust's to really shine you need a party based on it, which is only good some times. Or like someone said, stick it on a sin hero and use GDW on him. Indefinite knockdown is always fun.

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Strength of Honor, Critical Agility, Locust's Fury and a Conjure = ftw. (Yes Strength of Honor and a Conjure stack)

tehshadowninjar

tehshadowninjar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

Nite

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I've never seen much point in Locust's Fury except getting high crits and never going below 20 energy with 37 energy max.

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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Well, my thoughts of it is it is sort of like an IAS in that in increases your damage by about 50% and if an IAS is a necesity on warriors, maybe sassis should consider using something similar from time to time. My only reluctance would be that sassis tend to rely on dagger chains for damage. Thus I asked.

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

warriors have weapons that do damage. sins have skills that spike faster than you can blink. so sins dont get a weapon that does damage on its own, locust's sucks...

Jaigoda

Jaigoda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
warriors have weapons that do damage. sins have skills that spike faster than you can blink. so sins dont get a weapon that does damage on its own, locust's sucks... That's why you bring damage buffs. Seriously Order of the Vampire and Strength of Honor bring you up to around 90 DPS. No, it's probably not QUITE as nice as MBlossom, but it's very nice for building adrenaline or for high-energy skills.

Off-topic
If it takes you 3-5 seconds (or more) to blink, you should really go see a doctor.

And yes, I know you were (90% chance) sarcastic and/or not serious.

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaigoda
That's why you bring damage buffs. Seriously Order of the Vampire and Strength of Honor bring you up to around 90 DPS. No, it's probably not QUITE as nice as MBlossom, but it's very nice for building adrenaline or for high-energy skills.

Off-topic
If it takes you 3-5 seconds (or more) to blink, you should really go see a doctor.

And yes, I know you were (90% chance) sarcastic and/or not serious. Id like to see you maintain OoV and Strength of honor on a sin while keeping up critical defenses/agility and not dying.

those buffs can be put on a MS/DB sin to. its not really an argument...

Bobby2

Bobby2

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Join Date: Jun 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
Id like to see you maintain OoV and Strength of honor on a sin while keeping up critical defenses/agility and not dying.

those buffs can be put on a MS/DB sin to. its not really an argument... QFT.

/12chars

Jaigoda

Jaigoda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

IGN Eat Scythes

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
Id like to see you maintain OoV and Strength of honor on a sin while keeping up critical defenses/agility and not dying.
What do damage buffs have to do with survivability? Hell, OoV would actually IMPROVE your survivability through the life steal (it'd be more than 30 health per second, or the equivalent of 15 pips of health regen).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
those buffs can be put on a MS/DB sin to. its not really an argument... That it true, but MBlossom isn't affected by buffs as much as Crit Locust, since it has a slower attack speed, albeit not much, about .25 seconds, but that's still quite a bit when you're using damage modifiers. Also, Ebon Battle Standard of Honor and Great Dwarf Weapon on an Signet of Illusions mesmer (or just someone with 10 in each of the titles) would add another ~70 DPS. It still probably wouldn't be quite as high DPS as MBlossom if it had the same buffs, but would have the advantage of being able to build adrenaline and energy faster, which allows it to use more utility (especially since the core of the build is only really 2 skills, 4 if you include Crit Defenses and Crit Eye).

The Meth

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

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Using locusts fury is about the same idea as a ele casting an elite version of conjure weapon and trying to kill things by wanding. Locusts only helps normal attacks. Daggers have pathetic auto attacks.

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaigoda
would have the advantage of ... Locust's Fury has the advantage that it can be run on heroes - you can't screw up an attack chain if there's no chain to screw up

Though unless I'm running something like a smiter or orders derv or something that buffs physicals silly, I prefer Siphon Strength or Crit scythe.

Jaigoda

Jaigoda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

IGN Eat Scythes

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Meth
Using locusts fury is about the same idea as a ele casting an elite version of conjure weapon and trying to kill things by wanding. Locusts only helps normal attacks. Daggers have pathetic auto attacks.
But the difference is that daggers and their skills allow for the fastest attack speed in the game. THAT's why conjure flame won't work on a wander but will on a Crit Locust.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Locust's Fury has the advantage that it can be run on heroes - you can't screw up an attack chain if there's no chain to screw up

Though unless I'm running something like a smiter or orders derv or something that buffs physicals silly, I prefer Siphon Strength or Crit scythe. I will say that there are better builds for assassin, especially for damage, but I just want people to understand it's not as crappy as people make it out to be. Yes, you have to build heavily around it, but it's still fun to play around with, and it still does have its advantages as mentioned above.

Coloneh

Coloneh

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Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaigoda
What do damage buffs have to do with survivability? Hell, OoV would actually IMPROVE your survivability through the life steal (it'd be more than 30 health per second, or the equivalent of 15 pips of health regen).
bacause your using 2 slots on your skill bar, that could have been used for survival skills or utility. apart from that, your using 3 professions and 2 elites, unless of course your using these on another character slot, and then do i even need to explain why wasting two characters to make one almost as effective as another build is a bad idea?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaigoda
That it true, but MBlossom isn't affected by buffs as much as Crit Locust, since it has a slower attack speed, albeit not much, about .25 seconds, but that's still quite a bit when you're using damage modifiers. Also, Ebon Battle Standard of Honor and Great Dwarf Weapon on an Signet of Illusions mesmer (or just someone with 10 in each of the titles) would add another ~70 DPS. It still probably wouldn't be quite as high DPS as MBlossom if it had the same buffs, but would have the advantage of being able to build adrenaline and energy faster, which allows it to use more utility (especially since the core of the build is only really 2 skills, 4 if you include Crit Defenses and Crit Eye). sure, MS/DB isnt affected as much by these damage buffs, but it seems like your ignoring the bonus AND AoE damage.

and now your wasting, what? 3 characters? to make your locust's fury sin not suck. so you have a necro wasting its elite and 1 pip of energy regen, and a mesmer, a compleatly sub-par class in the first place throwing out buffs to melee which can still easily be countered by simple block/blind/hex shutdown.

I dont see how you can even consider this an alternative to MS/DB

afya

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

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