Swearing and GW

artay

artay

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Australia

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cacheelma
Try NOT attacking people next time and stay on topic.
Kind of ironic considering the amount of times you told the op to "suck it".

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by thehoweller
Am I crying, no...

I just think it's hypocritical that Anet bends for 12 year olds who turn off filters, then whine because their minds hurt.
Usually adults, especially adults with kids.

thehoweller

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It's the adult's responsibility to raise their own children, not Anet's.

The fact that Anet provided a content filter gives parents enough utility to manage these things on their own.

It's crazy that we have to watch our language because some 30 year-old dead beat with a child on their lap, is typing "F$@$ You!" in team chat, and simultaneously turns around and refers someone in General chat, for swearing.

It's obvious that personal responsibility is vacant in this country.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

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Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

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Quote:
Originally Posted by artay
Kind of ironic considering the amount of times you told the op to "suck it".
....which is on-topic because he got banned justly and there's nothing you can do about it?

Your point being?

Tatile

Tatile

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Quote:
Originally Posted by thehoweller
It's obvious that personal responsibility is vacant in this country.
It's not just your country (which is that? America? UK?), it's global. There's a 'blame someone else' culture in society these days, which probably comes from a combination of things: Laziness; Ignorance; Cheap Lawyers and Cheap Lawsuits; Piles and Piles of Government Legislation. People seem to be saying "Why should I control myself? Other people can do that for me, and I can blame them when I get hurt."; it's not good and I'm hoping there's going to be a big backlash in the near future before this all gets too far out of hand.

Self control is good *thumbs up*
Blaming someone else for your own failings is bad *thumbs down*

Now back to the swearing: perhaps it's parents that don't want their precious snowflake to see bad words that are reporting, but not realising that little Bobby Jr. already knows these words and has turned the filter off?

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

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The Ascalon Union

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Isn't this thread about someone not having self-control and swear in public (thumbs up in your case), and then came here and blame someone else for not using filter/not strong enough to take the words (which, as you said, thumbs down)?

thehoweller

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tatile
Now back to the swearing: perhaps it's parents that don't want their precious snowflake to see bad words that are reporting, but not realising that little Bobby Jr. already knows these words and has turned the filter off?
Yeah, I agree entirely...And you made me laugh.

It's not my responsibility to make sure little Timmy doesn't hear the F word...F that!

thehoweller

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cacheelma
Isn't this thread about someone not having self-control and swear in public (thumbs up in your case), and then came here and blame someone else for not using filter/not strong enough to take the words (which, as you said, thumbs down)?
I don't see a content filter when you walk downtown...I see one on Guild Wars.

Enough said...This is a game, not life.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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I think people tend to forget that when you buy GW, you're paying for a 'lifetime' membership to Anet's happenin' private club. Like any private club, there are a set of rules (ToS, EULA) members must abide to, or they're out. It's really that simple.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

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The Ascalon Union

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Quote:
Originally Posted by thehoweller
Enough said...This is a game, not life.
What's the difference? It's the people that play the game who are offended by it, not the in-game character, silly.

Kebab

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2008

United Kingdom

Dark Escape

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Just take some deep breaths if something is going wrong. If ANet don't want swearing in the game, that's their decision and not yours. You agree to the terms of playing so stick to them.

It's not difficult to avoid swearing. Especially considering you have to type it.. not just say it. :/

thehoweller

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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
I think people tend to forget that when you buy GW, you're paying for a 'lifetime' membership to Anet's happenin' private club. Like any private club, there are a set of rules (ToS, EULA) members must abide to, or they're out. It's really that simple.
Of course. I still have the right to disagree with what's ridiculously unchangeable.

thehoweller

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If you don't want to read the word F$%&, turn your filter "On"

If you don't care, turn your filter "Off"

If you're an idiot, turn your filter "Off", then complain that you saw something that offended you.

Tatile

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cacheelma
Isn't this thread about someone not having self-control and swear in public (thumbs up in your case), and then came here and blame someone else for not using filter/not strong enough to take the words (which, as you said, thumbs down)?
Sorry, but I'm slightly confused: not having self control is bad and goes with blaming someone else, also bad. The person who reported them probably had their filter off, and found the '---'s excessive, and possibly thought that the OP used such words all the time.

Yes, my analogy wasn't exactly what I wanted to say (apply to as you may, it falls apart. Hmm, where have I seen that before? *glares at assorted philosophers*), and isn't clear it seems. Let me see if I can work on that:

OP shouldn't swear so much, should take responsibility for their own actions. ANet has a Terms of Service agreement as per the standard for their area (?), which also allows them to have a certain rating because viewing 'bad' language is a choice. Reporter realised ANet's ToS, figured OP did aswell, but was ignoring it, so reported OP for excessive use (some personal experience may fall into this as well). ANet agreed with Reporter's judgment, made OP temp-banned.

ANet has responsibility to police (as it were) their servers.
Reporter is helping ANet do their job.
OP screwed up and got annoyed, decieded to let everyone know that they can't handle people taking offense to their words?

*shrugs* That's all I've got.

Edit: Unless people get offended by hyphens. I know a lot of people have no idea what a hyphen is (my last name uses one:
Me: 'Hyphen, D, A...'
Them: 'Wait, what's a hyphen?'
Me: 'A floaty line.'
Them: 'Oh, ok.' (proceeds to spell and say my name wrong for the next six months)

arcanemacabre

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by thehoweller
Of course. I still have the right to disagree with what's ridiculously unchangeable.
And when it's in their best interest to keep it the way it is in order to sustain a 'T'een rating, I'd rather it be unchangeable.

Kumu Honua

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

So many people saying "There's a content filter!".

Anet have stated by their temp-ban to the OP that they do not consider the existence of said filter to be justification to allow him to use foul language in public chat. In fact it solidifies the position of the "prudes" and THEY are the ones in the right where the OP is in the wrong and deserved his punishment.

He now needs to take this lesson to heart and choose another channel to vent his frustrations...

Nanood

Nanood

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Legion Of The Dark Sun

Forum fights are as lame as in game chat fights.. If you get banned for a reason live with it. I feel more for the people who get banned for no reason.

thehoweller

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I'm honestly done.
I understand that what Anet says, is what goes...

My argument is that, people aren't responsible for their own actions anymore,
and Anet's supporting that.

Anyways, you guys have fun with your circlejerk and patting Anet on the back.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

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The Ascalon Union

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Quote:
Originally Posted by thehoweller
My argument is that, people aren't responsible for their own actions anymore,
and Anet's supporting that.
And yet you defend the OP for getting banned by Anet because of HIS OWN ACTION?

Isn't this "hypocrite"?

TPike

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ju-On
Ok, just to clear some things up.

1. I did not and do not swear or harasse other players.
2. I didn't type in swear words to by-pass the filter.
3. I was getting killed doing the hatchling quests in NF. First time I said
"---- I'm stuck", the second time I said "this is a ----ing joke why do they make normal mode so ----ing hard", and third time "I can't ----ing believe how piss weak dervishes are" or something to that effect.

Then I got the suspension message for 71 hours.
And rightfully so IMHO.

There's just no need for you to be typing that in chat.

I'm an Admin on a popular FPS server and I'm a toughie when it comes to in-game chat.

If you're on TeamSpeak or Vent it's very easy to get surprised or killed and yell "What the _ _ _ _ " . It happens to a lot of us.

I don't have a problem with that all. In fact in Teamspeak you can use whatever language you want as long as you're not abusive to another player.

What I have a problem with is when people go out of their way to type expletives in Chat. It is totally unnecessary and just demonstrates a lack of maturity and control.

You never know who's playing on the other side and what they may or may not be offended by.

I believe it is YOUR responsibility as a gamer not to offend other people.

I don't care if the game is rated "T" or "M" - you never know if some brilliant 10 year old is taking advanced calculus so his parents let him play a game supervised as a reward.

Sound far-fetched ? Maybe, but I know of several parents who allow their kids to play CoD4 or BF2 on our servers but would never dream of allowing them on TeamSpeak.

jonnieboi05

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Meat Axe and TPike: i 100% agree with you. you've got a strong, solid opinion on the matter. your title for the forums should be "master debator" :P

Ju-On/OP: sorry you got banned. it happened, and it won't be lifted for 3 days, so, it's time to bust out the good 'ol tv and watch some flicks.

Chacheelma: you're not acting any better than anyone else. i read all of your posts in this thread, and i am surprised how no one has said anything to you yet. you're really adding a lot of fire to the flame, and you yourself, seem like you like to flame. just take it down a notch or two and be more supportive than the back-sas. it's not that serious. ^^

Zahr Dalsk

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Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Why do they even have a chat filter if they ban people for it anyways?

Just for the record I swear all the time. Why? Because one, there is a filter and if people don't like swearing they can turn the filter on. Two, because if someone is too faint-hearted to handle a bit of language, they don't belong on the internet.

To Cacheelma: I'd watch your stick-up-the-rear attitude in real life; it's apt to earn you a solid beating.

Grasping Darkness

Grasping Darkness

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

anet bans people because they pwn hypocracy. it's ok for them to create and display mass murder but no swearing while doing so. also gaile gray lies flat out to children for personal profit but swearing is bad anet staff is fcked in the head. deal with it? i guess. we have no other option
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
To Cacheelma: I'd watch your stick-up-the-rear attitude in real life; it's apt to earn you a solid beating.
lol for sure

Meat Axe

Meat Axe

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Join Date: Jan 2007

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People don't get banned for swearing. They get banned for swearing excessively, or swearing in a certain context. And, to me, the OP admitted he swore in such a way that someone could take offense to.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ju-On
First time I said
"---- I'm stuck", the second time I said "this is a ----ing joke why do they make normal mode so ----ing hard", and third time "I can't ----ing believe how piss weak dervishes are" or something to that effect.
To me, for a start, I see that as swearing excessively, especially since those three statements were probably within a minute or so. Secondly, the last thing he said, "I can't ----ing believe how piss weak dervishes are", would sound to me like a trolling attempt if I didn't know the context. Of course not everyone in public chat would get the context of what he said. I can clearly see why he was banned, and it wasn't just because he used a naughty word.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
Meat Axe and TPike: i 100% agree with you. you've got a strong, solid opinion on the matter. your title for the forums should be "master debator" :P
Thanks... I think. :P

Biostem

Biostem

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Join Date: Oct 2007

It's actually quite simple: GW is ANet's playground. Play by their rules or leave. End of story.

Zahr Dalsk

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Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Probably some Dervish player got angry at him insulting Dervishes and /reported

jonnieboi05

jonnieboi05

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Biostem
It's actually quite simple: GW is ANet's playground. Play by their rules or leave. End of story.
very true.

TPike

TPike

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Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
Meat Axe and TPike: i 100% agree with you. you've got a strong, solid opinion on the matter. your title for the forums should be "master debator" :P
Thanks, I'm gonna have to use that quote as a sig somewhere

jonnieboi05

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TPike
Thanks, I'm gonna have to use that quote as a sig somewhere
lol, my pleasure. i would love to see that signature. xD

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

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Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
Chacheelma: you're not acting any better than anyone else. i read all of your posts in this thread, and i am surprised how no one has said anything to you yet. you're really adding a lot of fire to the flame, and you yourself, seem like you like to flame. just take it down a notch or two and be more supportive than the back-sas. it's not that serious. ^^
First of all, this isn't about me. I see no reason to be supportive to someone who got banned justly and still has the nerve to blame someone else. Feel free to disagree with me, see if I care.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
To Cacheelma: I'd watch your stick-up-the-rear attitude in real life; it's apt to earn you a solid beating.
Mind your own business, will you? Again, this thread isn't about me. And you can rest assure; whatever I get by my personal actions, I'm not gonna cry about it and blame someone else when it's my own fault.

Tyla

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Join Date: Sep 2006

They might as well remove the Filter if people are getting reported with it there for swearing.
But seriously, don't do it in All Chat...

Grasping Darkness

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lol this video totally sums up gw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Owu...eature=related

gw community needs to study the following links
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your
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Fril Estelin

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Swearing is not acceptable, because it's not needed and it encourages a form of discourse that can lead to aggressive behaviour. Of course people swearing all the time won't see it this way and the excuse of "everyone is doing it, so get over it" is always convenient.

Language was invented to communicate, and swearing is a bit like adding guns to your means of expressing ideas, it defeats the purpose of communication and turns a dialogue into a PvP arena. You want to communicate angryness and hate? There's sport for this (or a psy if it gets too far). And if there's nothing angry or hateful in your swearing, then why in the world wouldn't you want to drop it in-game? (it sometimes amazes me that we're calling ourselves "civilised nations" and we have to fight for the freedom to swear as if it were a matter of importance, sometimes disregarding with disdain the right of others not to be "hurt" by the swearing by simply treating them of bigotry)

Back to the OP, I doubt that Anet just bans on swearing without having good evidence that someone is bypassing the filter or behaving very aggressively towards other players.

P.S.: this article may shed some light on the point I'm trying to make:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10240997

Ju-On

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LoL. Nice work Fril Estelin, are you signing up for the tought police when the far left takes over the world....Have you ever stop to think that if people swore more often then there maybe less violence in the world. You have your utopia, I have mine. Mine is built on freedom of expression, yours is built on repression. Should I send myself off to the gulags for indoctrination now?

So, I have indeed learnt a valuable Anet lesson. Turn off chat and swear like a sailor in my Guild channel Now if only I could work out a good build to H/H my way through NF and not have to deal with prudes who can't handle ---- appearing on chat....

And I am definately not blaming anyone for my being banned. I swore about how crappy the game design is and got banned. SO BE IT. I'm just a little miffed at how Anet has chat filter options and still bans people for swearing. It dosen't make sense.

MisterDutch

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#1: The rules clearly state that swearing is a suspendable offense

#2: You broke the rules intentionally

#3: You got suspended because of it

#4: Accept the fact that you did something wrong and don't do it another time.

IT'S THAT EASY

Whether it's sad when people get offended by filtered words or not has got nothing to do with this. You broke the rules, you pay for it. If you don't agree with the rules, then DON'T PLAY THE GAME.

Capice?

Fril Estelin

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ju-On
Mine is built on freedom of expression, yours is built on repression. Should I send myself off to the gulags for indoctrination now?
I think this message clearly shows why you could have been banned. You don't need the swearing to be aggressive, as you clearly show. And stop your non-sense of people feeling abused by "----", no one is. I'm very happy that Anet attemps, with their limited means, to tackle the issue of aggressive behaviour because people like you make the game much less enjoyable. Call me whatever you want, police or bigot, I don't care if it comes from you because you showed in this thread what kind of person you are.

The funny thing is that if we were to continue exploring the idea you underline above, you'll end up in a paradox or hypocrisy (the paradox situation being the one where you're not hypocrite of course). Freedom of expression and swearing leads to ask what swearing is expressing. Emotions obviously, so what's the point of expressing these negative emotions, what message are you sending? "I'm pissed off by this" or "I hate that"? So why not say this instead of swearing? Or may be you're not really expressing anything, it's more speaking like the people you know, who themselves swear because everyone is doing it around them? And no one, of course, wonders what they're trying to "express".

Freedom of expression IS an utopia. Racism is not tolerated (well not in Europe, I know that it is more tolerated in the USA and european racists host their website in the USA because of that) and thus absolute freedom does not exist. The right to talk should always be balanced by the duty of respect. Without a balanced approach to communication, you may end up in a world without much sensibility and where everyone will insult each other without really caring (that's the paradox: insult no longer means anything, people are talking aggressively for no real reason since no one cares).

And if you're lookin for a good PvE Heroes build, try Sabway

Tyla

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
And if you're lookin for a good PvE Heroes build, try Sabway
<3 Sabway, broken energy management, 66% damage reduction by weakness.
If it wasn't for the broken energy management of soul reaping heroes will be nowhere.

[Morkai]

[Morkai]

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Only read half the thread, cos it's a fight-off between OP and the Jester guy. Anyways, don't swear in local chat, swear over vent, or rage irl, it's what i do. I get half way through typing if i'm all raged up then think "eh? what's moaning about something in local chat gonna do except attract flamers". So stop typing, and vent rage irl.

pamelf

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Australia

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I've never understood why people find swearing offensive. I find people NOT swearing offensive (or at least projecting their choice onto me) since I find it a perfectly valid form of self expression and don't feel that anyone in this world has the right to tell me what words I can or cannot say...

Besides, culturally some words are offensive in some countries and not in others. The word "fanny" for instance means something very different in Australia than it does in America.

If you find swearing offensive turn on the chat filters and stop imposing your opressed sensibilites on those who don't give a damn. The only time agree with reporting (to some extent) is when people purposefully try to circumvent the chat filter. But even then, seriously, on the scale of bad things to do in game, does swearing really count as a bannable offense?

Fril Estelin

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pamelf
If you find swearing offensive turn on the chat filters and stop imposing your opressed sensibilites on those who don't give a damn.
Then why aren't you doing it yourself? "We" don't "give a damn" about you feeling offended so stop "oposing your opressed sensibilities" by simply stopping to oppose what we're saying. I mean, if you're telling people to ignore their sensibilities, you should show the example and forget yours, shouldn't you?

I guess that if you're able to show us how swearing is important to communication (and not for keeping you calm), then you've got a valid point. If not, Anet will continue to ban based on aggressive behaviour (but I don't believe the OP than they banned him for "----").