The Darkpower Alchemist Revealed Pt 1

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

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The Circle Of Nine[NINE]

E/N

My character in this topic is my Darkpower Alchemist himself. He is an E/N lvl 16 at the moment. Potential exists in this elementalist build that is creative,and yet still untapped.I have never used a Necro before,so I am new to the necro powers and am still experimenting.I wonder,will he be effective in more than PvE? Is he destined for greatness,or will he be a sad case of change your secondary once you can? Give me opinions on the Profession. Once again,thx for all the input.

TGgold

TGgold

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Flying Gophers

Rt/P

Well, think of a build and maybe we can help a little ^_~
It sounds cool, so work on it a bit more. I don't see too many E/Ns around.

Robster Lobster

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

What's your primary Ele build? Air and Water work well with some of the Necro line, especially Curses. And Blood Magic can help if you have health problems in PvE.

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

Jungle Guide

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The sad fact of the matter when it comes to all Elementalist builds early on in PvE is that they become fire heavy due to Fire's damage output. Air does damage,but only at skill levels of 10 or higher. Fire,on the other hand,will dish out good dmg by a skill level of 6 or 7. Water and Earth don't even exist offensively until half way through Kryta,which means that the majority of elementalists,like myself,all use fire. I want to create an Aeromancer with the ability to raise minions.I will work on this build and post my findings.

Deamus

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Queen's Guard

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I can't wait to see what you find for E/N, i'm one too and lookin around I'm startin to wonder if I made the wrong descision or not, anywho. Could someone give some examples of how curses and such work with air and water? I'm kinda sorta GW illiterate, so break it down for a newb =P

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

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I realize that even though I like the Air Element, it is very limited in the scheme of power. 2nd to Fire is an understatement.It is dwarfed by fire. Almost to the point of non existence. The reason Curses and water will work well with air is that curses breakdown armor,water saturates the surface of said armor, and air does better armor penetration while curses and water spells are invoced( hope I spelled that right!).This is what makes the E/n a dangerous anti warrior build. I need to experiment more with it to get a skill list for any E/Ns to try out.

DeanBB

DeanBB

Forge Runner

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Just look for complementary skills between the two professions, such as weakness + stoning or spinal shivers + cold damage, which could also be from the staff attacks.

I wouldn't bother with raising minions with a necro secondary since your max Death = 12, compared to a "real" MM with Death = 16. There's a big difference between the two, especially against monsters level 20-28.

Vampiric Gaze, Life Siphon, Offering of Blood - all good blood spells for an elementalist but require an investment in the attribute to be effective, thus detracting from Fire (or whichever) and Energy.

LightningHell

LightningHell

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Mo/

I suggest using the curses line.

My favorite element is Earth, but use whatever you like.

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

Jungle Guide

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I just created a Air/Blood build as a test run for my new Perfect Godly Ghost Staff.It went well in Piken for a solo run,now I'm off to test it in Yaks.As my air power increases,Ill be adding to this thread.E/N is very fun to play. The MM thing is a thought,but 12 is good when no MM is available. It may not be better than 16,but it seperates the players of skill from the players of pure build sets.Being a MM is useful for my elemental uses as well. I was told once that If I do 1, I shouldn't use the other.I think that is pure nonsense.The power of the Elementalist is the fact that he is the multitaskers dream.MM is a build,but to mix it with an element gives opportunity to be a force to reckon with in a PvE setting.Keep the comments coming.I'll post my first real E/N build in my next thread.

Stahls

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

NY

E/Mo

I've been an E/N since I started (although I change to E/Mo sometimes) and I like it. I used to do death magic w/ fire that worked alright. Now I use blood with fire and take only two necro spells. Life Siphon and Offering of blood. Life siphon wiht aura of resoration keeps me healed (i immediately cast siphon on at least 3 enemies before concentrated on nuking them) and when I get low from a meteor shower or incendiary or w/e i use at the time, I cast offering to give me 15 more energy. (aura basically takes away half of the sacrafice for it to work)

I'm playing with it more, but here's my build right now...

Flare/Conjure (just to spam something while recharging big guns)
Immolate (again, spam it)
Incendiary Bonds (nice burning/damage to multiple enemies when in a group)
Meteor shower (you know why)
Glyph of Lesser (cheapens the shower and incendiary)
Aura of restoration (keep myself healed)
Life Siphon (keep health while damaging slowly)
Offering of Blood (keep energy)

Fire-14
Energy-14
Blood-10
(does this sound right? i'm not looking at my char)

it works ok, i'm probably gonna switch immolate for something with a bit more power. Although firestorms now obsolete, i sometimes use it to clear melee from me. Maybe pheonix and fireball for flare and immolate? Any suggestions?

Note: I don't pretend to be good at builds, so you more experienced guys may think this build sucks.

Gianakas

Gianakas

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2005

Somewhere, USA

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I'm also an E/N...I didn't stay on the topic long, but I also went into the business of finding an effective build..I experimented with Earth Magic and Blood, as well as some Curses. It works reasonably well, but isn't all-powerful. I'm interested to see what builds this thread might produce, especially since I'm too lazy to go back and change my secondary again! : p

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

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I have recently used this build:

Conjure Lightning,Lightning Orb,Lightning Javelin,Spiteful Spirit,Consume Corpse,Aura Of Restoration,Res Sig,and another spell that escapes me at the moment. This is used with 8s in Air,Death,and Curses, and an 11 in Energy. To achieve the spread,I used an energy head piece with a sup rune of Energy Storage(+4 total). And I'm not lvl 20 yet,so this has promise. Comments?

Robster Lobster

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist
I have recently used this build:

Conjure Lightning,Lightning Orb,Lightning Javelin,Spiteful Spirit,Consume Corpse,Aura Of Restoration,Res Sig,and another spell that escapes me at the moment. This is used with 8s in Air,Death,and Curses, and an 11 in Energy. To achieve the spread,I used an energy head piece with a sup rune of Energy Storage(+4 total). And I'm not lvl 20 yet,so this has promise. Comments? I'd strongly advise using an Air head piece and a sup rune of Air magic, 8 doesn't do that much damage, 12 does.

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

Jungle Guide

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On the contrary,8 does considerable damage,since the spells being employed recharge in 3 to 5 seconds.My Ghostly Staff is Air damaged based,so conjure lightning is doing double damage with it,plus it has a recharge for all skills and a death skill recast of 20%.I spent my chips wiselyEventhough your point is valid in that 12 is better than 8, Energy Storage is what keeps the ele living. No spells,no healing,no life.Btw,I have purchased a headpiece for all elements and equipped them with sup runes for each.It's a must for all my ele characters.Knowledge is power,keep the comments coming.

EveHell

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Urban Heroes

N/

A build im havin fun with at the moment uses Fire / Energy Storage and Death magic.


Fire - Lvl 15-16
Energy -Storage - 11-12
Death - 6-8

Aura of Restoration
Flare
Fireball
Lava Font
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Firestorm
Consume Corpse / Soul Feast
Necrotic Traversal

Use Aura First then kill 1 enemy preferably an enemy stood in a group using flare / fireball. Use Necrotic traversal to teleport to that enemies location poisoning others around him. Quickly use Lava Font probably killing others. Use Consume Corpse or Soul Feast to keep your health topped up as enemies die.

This obviously has its weaknesses, some enemies cant have their corpses exploited exploited for example (The enemies that can't have their corpses exploited tend to be weak against fire magic anyway and can be easily killed with your fire skills) and also your elementalist armor is weak (Lava font tends to scatter your enemies so you dont take too much damage once you teleport amongst enemies) but I have found I can solo all the way to and in Kryta usin this build.

My Elem/Necro is fairly new and i havnt had chance to try the other attributes such has earth, water air etc so any comments about improvin this build usin other attributes would be welcome

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

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I've been a bit busy capping skills in the southern shiverpeaks with my characters,so forgive my tardiness on my skill list updates.I still find the E/N to be a force when it is properly used.This is my current skill list:

Flare,Meteor Shower,Phoenix,Aura Of Restoration,Spiteful Spirit,Consume Corpse,Soul Feast,and my Res sig.

This is my current skill build,since I am in the Shiverpeaks,and fire rocks out there.I have experimented with earth spells as well, such as Aftershock,Earthquake,Crystal Wave,and Obsidian Flame.This line of spells can be powerful and opens up many an opportunity for damage expansion,yet,they need high attribute numbers to be fully useable,and their attacks of note like Earthquake and Obsidian Flame cause exaustion.Exaustion is the elementalist's concscience.Use a certain powerful spell too much and your "Conscience" kicks in for your overindulgence.Earth takes patience and careful planning to be truely useful to its full potential. Water,is my sticking point at the moment,since it lacks the killing power of the other 3,even at high levels of attribute investments.It's best as a Earth defense backup.Such as Ward Against Foes+Deep Freeze+Maelstrom,to hinder movement and spellcasting.Post more ideas and lets talk more about the necro aspect of the build in the next posts.

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

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Also,Firestorm is nearly useless now. I think you should find a new spell,unless you are purposefully trying to spread out the aggroed monsters and make it more difficult to kill them?

Sinjin

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mile High Club [mile]

Mo/

No offense - but your character is mediocre.

Consume Corpse / Soul Feast ? - let the necros exploit corpses. They'll be better than you at it anyways. Nothing more irritating to a necro than not having corpses to exploit b/c a silly a ele is eating them and teleporting everywhere.

Spiteful spirit? - you've got excellent ele elites, even in fire - utilize them. Find yourself exhausted? go cap Glyph of Energy, it's in the So. Shiverpeaks.

Try to fit fireball and/or incindiary bonds on your bar - both are very good.

Basically, your character is spread so thin - he/she doesn't seem to do a single thing well. It's like a monk that tries to heal, protect and smite.

I'm not trying to be mean - but your character clearly lacks guidance. Do one or two things with focus, and do them well.

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinjin
No offense - but your character is mediocre.

Consume Corpse / Soul Feast ? - let the necros exploit corpses. They'll be better than you at it anyways. Nothing more irritating to a necro than not having corpses to exploit b/c a silly a ele is eating them and teleporting everywhere.

Spiteful spirit? - you've got excellent ele elites, even in fire - utilize them. Find yourself exhausted? go cap Glyph of Energy, it's in the So. Shiverpeaks.

Try to fit fireball and/or incindiary bonds on your bar - both are very good.

Basically, your character is spread so thin - he/she doesn't seem to do a single thing well. It's like a monk that tries to heal, protect and smite.

I'm not trying to be mean - but your character clearly lacks guidance. Do one or two things with focus, and do them well. Well,well,well,...a nay sayer in the midst! Alrighty,Sinjin,let me put you to the test! You obviously either play a pyromancer or a MM necro,since you're so concerned with them and not my build. Fire is overdone,so I use it where it works best. Against Water based foes and Undead,fire owns.Yet,you think I'm too spread out.You are not the first to believe that to be the case,so I welcome you to the 85% who don't ever play the game to its full potential.As an E/n,it is my duty to stay alive in order to be effective as the elementalist. Dead eles don't help the cause of the team.The spells I use from death magic are used as needed,similar to healing signets. A good MM doesn't even use every dead corpse on the field,so why shouldn't I have a self heal with me?SS is an awesome elite spell that doesn't cause the enemies to run and works well when a warrior can hold aggro,so I find it to be a well used spell.Just because I can't echo it without Glyph of renewal,doesn't mean I cant use it.You are very opinionated,yet,lets continue this line of discussion.With My Air magic at 11,Death and curses at 8, and enegry at 11,I am a great damage dealer and provide myself with self healing at the same time. Yet,I still don't have all 200 att points.My build in air/curses/death/energy storage is unique since I know what I am doing. Fast attack spells,coupled with proper equipment and heal skills that not only bring back health,but when neccessary mana energy as well,make my E/N an intergral player on a team.Hell,I'm so focused,I even have a suit for every element on this character. I change up depending on my enviornment. I have staffs for air,earth,fire,and water,as well as death,blood,and curses(just for when I need to dedicate myself to a solitary element or skill base). I've been a battery,an MM,and a Curse/Air/Energy build,and all worked without a problem. You,my friend, are just one more person still stuck with the old ways of non versatility for your characters.I don't break the rules,but I bend them really well.In PvP,it is neccessary to specialize depending on your team makeup,but in PvE,I can be a multitasking beast. Let go off Mommie GW's apron strings and let the creative juices take you somewhere you are afraid to go.To originality

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

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Off the subject,let me say something else to any who read this thread.This is a discussion about E/Ns. If you have never played one or the other,you can not possibly understand the concept of such a powerful character,so I accept that you may feel it is mediocre.Yet,I feel that a character,whatever it may be based on,should be as versatile as possible in order to stay alive. Being secular isn't going to create that ripple in the pond that will someday reach the ocean.In observer mode,I see no differences between the Gale/Axe warriors or Monk/Necros, or Areomancer/Monks on any side of any field. What seperates you from them(generalizing atm) is pure comfortability with your team,and desire.Every IWAY in the Tombs is using the same build,yet, you guys are waiting for a nerf build instead of attempting to adapt to the circumstances.You still all charge the same target that leaves your healers open. You still all call the guy that thinks different a noob,because he doesn't agree or doesn't know(derogitory term IMO),instead of teaching and debating your position.You still all want to be pyros because it deals the most regulated damage,yet every character build can defend against it better than the other elements.Get inventive.Mesmers are scary because they cast spells that bypass armor,shut down entire skill bars,and cause confusion among players n the opposing team,yet most still go chasing monks right out the gate,while the mesmers are wrecking your team. Their monk most times doesn't even get killed in the insueing chaos,while your's have died twice.If this doesn't apply to you,then don't worry about it,but if it does,then step your game up. Study builds and find out the most dangerous build setups you can see,and watch for them to become the most popular(IWAY,Echo SS,Echo Nuker,Glyph mages,Aero spikers,etc)These work due to team effort and coordination,but none are original. They are just regurgitated builds being pimped by a better coordinated group.Originality and forward thinking seperates the best from the copycats. Think about it,but no need to comment on this statement..

LightningHell

LightningHell

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Join Date: Aug 2005

Hong Kong

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Mo/

I do not play a E/N, but I do play a E/Me(Mo, sometimes). Still, "Can not possibly understand" and "Such a powerful character" doesn't sound sensible. No offense.

I have one suggestion, although it might not be taken.

If you are beyond the Jungle (As I was, way beyond, when I was on my first character at that level), then by all means tell me

I'm assuming you are level 18 or so, and is willing to play a support character.

(140 attribute points)

Energy Storage: 8 +1 (9)
Earth Magic: 8 +1 +1 (10)
Curses: 10 (10)

Enfeebling Blood
Insidious Parasite
Ward Against Melee
Armor of Earth
Mark of Subversion
Aura of Restoration
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Resurrection Signet

Not having access to all the skills make it quite hard for anyone to make a build up...

Vermilion Okeanos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

For PvE and E/N, there are two things I usually do.

Summon minion as meat shields
or
OoV OoP for my 2xwarrior 1xranger henchies

Sinjin

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mile High Club [mile]

Mo/

Well... just so you know, I've beat the game and all missions with my fire/air ele - and then deleted her cuz I have all the ele stuff unlocked. I had all professions quests done as well, 200 attribs and used her for PvP e/mo smiting, even in PvE. It's really nothing to brag about, but I'm just letting you know that I'm not inexperienced when it comes to playing the ele.

It's good to see you bringing a self heal - from my monk's perspective I like that. Players that bring self defense (doesn't necessarily have to be healing) make a monk's job easier.

However, if you're going to be 11 in air - you may as well drop curses, forget the SS elite, and pack more air with an ele elite. Your curses are only at 8, although SS is a good elite, which doesn't make for a very strong SS. It's just a suggestion for improvement and focus.

Regarding your comment that I lack creavity: I don't take offense to it. But you should also know that I'm not inexperienced in PvE by any means. I'm simply past the "omg this is soo cool!!1! my build roxxors~! it's soooo orignals - ftw - ftw!!1!" stage.

(omg, my monk is sooo originals! he has bane signet, healing breeze and aegis! and from my ele side, i shoooot flares! and i'm invincibles from mist forms!!! wards help me flee! if i die, i use intervention! - exaggeration, it would be funny be funny to see)

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

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Is that supposed to mean because I see the power that SS exudes,that I am still in the ooo and aaah stage? Hardly. Frankly,SS is a great elite spell,period.It casts and recharges with decent speed,and doesn't disrupt the aggro pattern,and it kills in large groups.Cast on a non primary target,while casting mark of pain(I think thats the name of the spell,but don't quote me just yet)on an adjacent monster and call him as the prime melee target,and the damage doubles with a Curse att of 9 that does a dispersed shadow attack to all nearby and adjacent enemies.23 with SS,28 with MoP,and if you decided to use blood instead of death,you could even throw in Awaken The Blood to boost your curse lvl by 2.Being inventive is just as effective when a focused individual wields the power.Also,now at lvl 20,the 4 way build is rather effective in PvE. Air/Energy/Death/Curses works well as a damage dealer,even though popular opinion deems it "mediocre",yet,I have employed it well,and worked with various MMs and Monks with great success. I have recently gone totally ele using Water/Earth,and found it effective at higher att lvls.That isn't a speed build like the builds that incorporate Air,but it is effective none the less.Sinjin,I noticed you have resorted to mockery in your post.Have I hit a nerve? Beating the game has little to do with your ability,as we now see lvl 8s in Thunderhead keep,and you can beat this game without actually participating in the actual battles.Your bit of colorful banter is amusing,to say the least,or it can be taken as a show that you are finding it harder to come up with an intelligent rebutle.However,your comments fail to show the truth of my build's weak points that you alone seem to believe exist. Lower att stats will not be the case of worry in a situation of team play against most well organized teams.If all play their roles as they should,the team will swim through the enemy muck like a croc in the Bayou.Also,the incorporation of SS with a primary Curse Necro will only add to the damage being dealt and the speedy dispatching of our shared enemies.Change is good!

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

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BTW I have 3 accounts,since I like all my characters and don't erase them.ATM, 5 characters have all 200 att points,and are at least in the Southern Shiverpeaks and near to Thunderhead Keep. I'm good at PvE.Sharing knowledge and debating is all good,but never doubt a player's abilities due to your own.You,like I,am only 1 player in a million,literally

Nessaja

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

Darkpower Alchemist - a few things, there is no way in hell to argue with you, first of all because you make huge walls of text that aren't readable because of the lack of paragraphs.

Second, you don't post your full build with attribute points.

The numbers are currently against you so posting some form of evidence or proof that your hybrid which doesn't have acces to class specific runes or headpieces is just as effective or more effective would sure help the discussion - which you said you enjoy - even worse, there is no real discussion if you don't just post your build. On the other hand, you might have posted it but it's buried in the walls of text.

The only thing I can currently comment on is your air build which has 8 in Air Magic. You counter the argument by saying that it does do considerable damage because you cast them in quick succesion, but you're making a mistake here. If you do cast your spells a lot or in quick succesion, you benefit a lot more from having a high Air Magic, your main damage comes from Air damage, 3 damage spells use it, might aswell use it to the best of your ability.

Then I feel like you have some crazy strife to bring self healing, and at that pretty bad self healing. Aura of Restoration and Consume Corpse are both conditional heals, nothing secure. Why don't you trust the monks and do what you are good at? That being, dealing damage.

I tend to agree that your Fire/Death/Curses/Energy build tries to do too many things, and I see you pack flare which is a decent spell I suppose, but you're better off with some more AoE or spike damage. Again I see you hammering on staying alive, you realise that you're at the backline as an elementalist right... and even when you are attacked, there are monks to heal you, drop the death magic and put more in fire/curses so you kill your enemy before they have the chance to kill you.

Last, simply commenting that people are blind for innovation and only use old builds neglects the fact that your build can (not saying it is) ineffective and crappy. I feel good construcive criticsm is made and you're not taking it very well, instead you start commenting about a persons inability to comprehend your tactics, if you really do love to argue then refrain from personal comments and discuss the build.

Naz

LightningHell

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Mo/

I'm just adding on.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessaja
Darkpower Alchemist - a few things, there is no way in hell to argue with you, first of all because you make huge walls of text that aren't readable because of the lack of paragraphs.
Well said. However, I still attempt to read it, usually with success.

[QUOTE=Nessaja]Second, you don't post your full build with attribute points./QUOTE]

Good Point.

Quote: Originally Posted by Nessaja The numbers are currently against you so posting some form of evidence or proof that your hybrid which doesn't have acces to class specific runes or headpieces is just as effective or more effective would sure help the discussion - which you said you enjoy - even worse, there is no real discussion if you don't just post your build. On the other hand, you might have posted it but it's buried in the walls of text. This is another point where I don't have anything to add on.

Quote: Originally Posted by Nessaja The only thing I can currently comment on is your air build which has 8 in Air Magic. You counter the argument by saying that it does do considerable damage because you cast them in quick succesion, but you're making a mistake here. If you do cast your spells a lot or in quick succesion, you benefit a lot more from having a high Air Magic, your main damage comes from Air damage, 3 damage spells use it, might aswell use it to the best of your ability. Well let's say, Air Magic spiking is already done, many many times. That's not innovation, is it? And, if you want to cast them in quick succession, better go Me/E, copy them and get Fast Casting.

Honestly, there are many good posts out there. I'm trying to help, for one.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessaja
Then I feel like you have some crazy strife to bring self healing, and at that pretty bad self healing. Aura of Restoration and Consume Corpse are both conditional heals, nothing secure. Why don't you trust the monks and do what you are good at? That being, dealing damage. Why use Consume Corpse, firstly? You're ditching attribute points into there that can be used for many things else.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessaja
I tend to agree that your Fire/Death/Curses/Energy build tries to do too many things, and I see you pack flare which is a decent spell I suppose, but you're better off with some more AoE or spike damage. Again I see you hammering on staying alive, you realise that you're at the backline as an elementalist right... and even when you are attacked, there are monks to heal you, drop the death magic and put more in fire/curses so you kill your enemy before they have the chance to kill you. Four attributes are too much. Flare is not a good spell, given it's energy cost + it's damage. And its horrible cast time. If you want to stay alive, let the monks to do that. The quicker you kill, the hit points you'll lose less.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nessaja
Last, simply commenting that people are blind for innovation and only use old builds neglects the fact that your build can (not saying it is) ineffective and crappy. I feel good construcive criticsm is made and you're not taking it very well, instead you start commenting about a persons inability to comprehend your tactics, if you really do love to argue then refrain from personal comments and discuss the build. I innovate quite a lot. Many people do. Actually, I believe that more than half the forum are not just blind dumb@$$es who are incapable of any higher level thinking. We make builds. Have you seen me make team builds for anything? Some people say they're only mediocre, but have you ever noticed I have never stepped on the battlefield at all? I have never gone to the old Tombs of Primeaval Kings, nor have I gone to the Hero's Ascent. Nor have I participated in any Guild battle. I look at the environment, then try to make a build out of it. However, time constraints make it rather hard for me to do any serious PvPing at all.

I got off topic.

Well, getting back on topic...yes, discuss the build. When they reply something, don't say "You lack innovation cuz you don't like my build". Maybe they have some experience with it beforehand. Let's go to another person. I have a friend, who does not go to any forum. I tell him something is not good, and instead of saying I lack innovation, he asks me WHY it's bad. THEN he tries to argue back, or if he sees it's really bad, then he just absorbs the lesson.

Nuff said.

I'm only trying to help. It might be a bit harsh.

torquemada

torquemada

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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I must agree that pumping four attributes probably wont do you good.
When I started playing I had high hopes for that but you're just underpowered.

Also, I must agree that relying on a good monk is superior to self-healing spells, especially having in mind that you can use that mana for something else then (mending - ring a bell? )

Self-healing is useful when you go farming solo or with hechies, imo. Being a fire nuker (please dont flame me ) i use fast PBAoE spells with moderate energy comsumption (inferno, flame strike) in conjunction with Aura of Restoration to keep me alive in a tight spot. That's usually when I solo/take henchies. You can't discuss tactics with them.
For instance, I wanted to counter necro jade scarabs and their constant bonding/draining using mesmer interrupt spikes combed with air spiking.
It didn't work because there were just too many of them. So, once again I reverted to (PB)AoE, Aura of Rest. (added Shatter Hex, Backfire and Power Spike though). Shatter hex is very efficient with w/me and w/n builds because they tend to hex first, then rush in for the kill.

Teamplay, PvP, GvG....that's another matter entirely, one I am yet to explore.

I know it's slightly offtopic (I'm not e/n) but I'm a talkative person

Darkpower Alchemist

Darkpower Alchemist

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

NYC

The Circle Of Nine[NINE]

E/N

It's been awhile since I checked this thread,and it seems you all have an opinion about my build desciption. You want numbers,they are there. You want armor stats,they are there as well. I even have told about weapons I have used.And the most you can say about this is that you are being taken down by large amounts of text?

Fine, I'll make it more spaced,if that makes it easier to understand. Underpowered builds come in situations of PvP/GvG confrontations.The concensus thought is,high numbers for damage and let the monks heal you.But monks have a hard enough job to do,why shouldn't I be able to heal myself somewhat? My early numbers were stated due to low level situations. I started this thread when my E/N was level 12 or 13. At level 20,I still have the spread of Energy/Air/Curses/Death, but the att numbers are higher, Curses/Death at 10, Air at 14, Energy at/around 10(9).

I hope my text isn't losing anyone yet.

The fact of the matter is, I was told that my build was mediocre,yet none have probably tried to use it for themselves,which means it is only being used by myself,making it a one sided conversation of me trying to convince the masses of its usefulness. I will always lose that argument.

The previous experiments of being a MM have become obviously limited in my end results. Yet,I have realized that I can become an Anti MM with the use of Verata's Aura. That was a good day of playing.

Aeromancer is nice in isolation,yet, high damage attacks are more easily achieved and exploited in groups with a like mind and goal(ie.A Team).

Pyromancer is overdone. Geomancers are on the rise. The winds of change are blowing towards Cantha,and the new skills will bring new builds and abilities.Hydromancers are underused and underpowered on an offensive level IMO. I hope they will get a boost.

I still like SS.Awesome spell. Concetrated power is what I like most about it,even if a Necro primary can use it better than I can. Together we will use the power for the greater glory of our team.

I understand that you may not see why I use death skills,and you may feel that I should invest those attribute points in one of the other skill sets,but I have been face down in more snow,sand,and dirty water than I would care to remember while depending on another to heal me.Hence,I will ALWAYS champion the cause of bringing a self heal.

Agree or disagree, I appreciate all the comments I have recieved in this thread.

And for the record,I do trust the monks to do their job,but we all know every monk isn't good at being a healer. Every monk won't get to me in time,and every monk won't see me as a priority when choices are to be made in tough situations. Consume Corpses was used due to its ability to:

1) Remove me from dangerous situations.
2) Heal me and recharge mana at the same time. And..
3) Reposition me for another angle of attack,giving my character the chance to attack from a more advantageous perspective.

That being said,I have just explained a rule of engagement.

When you trade mobility for firepower the chance of survival increases.Also,while under fire neutralize the threat,reposition yourself and reaquire the current situation.This is how you survive,in any world. I'm done talking now.

torquemada

torquemada

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

guildless

Since you bumped this, just to add:

I'm afraid that Fire is just plain more useful in PvE then Air, considering the cost and the efficiency. In PvP it's directly the opposite. Geo's are on the rise (and rightly so) in both PvP and PvE. I love Geo, can do dmg nicely, I love warding and occasional tanking.

And Water is underused - it has great effects (slowdown) and mediocre to low damage that doesn't quite fit in in neither PvP or PvE. You can do better with other schools I think, but I'm afraid I'm not that learned in the ways of Water Magic, so don't take it for granted.

I love Necrotic Traversal (fellow Necro MM probably wouldn't). Use it in conjunction with fast point-blank AoE spells. Of course, it'd be nice if Traversal hadn't the word 'random' in description. Better yet if I tested it out (and I didn't). Just feeling a bit creative:

1. Necrotic Traversal
2. Vampiric Touch (for self-heal)
3. Inferno
4. Flame Burst
5. Grenth's Balance (for self-heal)
6. Ward vs. melee
7. Fire attune
8. Lava font/Phoneix??

Thing to pump here is blood/fire/storage. Traversal is 5 secs of Poison minumum (enough perhaps).

Just popped into my head now, during first morning cofee, so be mindful...

LightningHell

LightningHell

(????????????)???

Join Date: Aug 2005

Hong Kong

Guildless

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist
1) Remove me from dangerous situations.
2) Heal me and recharge mana at the same time. And..
3) Reposition me for another angle of attack,giving my character the chance to attack from a more advantageous perspective. 1) is not necessarily correct.
3) is also not necessarily correct.

pegasux

pegasux

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Mexico < PUKE >

Elite Rogues Inc. [ER]

I'm glad you guys bumped this thread back up cause i never saw it =(. I have been playing around with a E/N build in TA with guildies and I must say E/N is very effective in PvP but not so in PvE though IMO. I have converted my ele to basically a necro with limitless energy. This is the build that I currently use which IMO works great. Try it out and let me know what you guys think. It's actually pretty fun taking down a warrior and having them run from you =).

Energy 8
Fire 13
Blood 12 (need it for life siphon to degen -3 and give you +3)
Air 6

I know the attributes are to spread to be effective but trust me they are not.

Life Siphon
Vampiric Gaze
Blood Renewal
Strip Enchantment
Enervating Charge - For Warriors
Mark of Rodgort
Ether Prodigy {E}
Rez

Use a flame artifact with a +health and +energy, wand is a +energy also. fast cast is not useful in this build.

The point of this build is to degen the target at -10. Life Siphon does -3 and Mark of Rodgort does -7. Vampiric gaze is a self heal and also an armor ignoring skill which is great to finish off running targets with.

This is how the build is played. i find my target and hang back first. Once i find my target i cast Blood renewal, cast mark or rodgort, wand for burn (-7), cast Life Siphon (-3 Degen), then wand again. At this point in find a warrior esp the hammer ones and hit them with Enervating Charge then i go back to my original target and wand him again to keep the burn on. Now cast Blood Renewal again for your +8 regen then cast Ether Prodigy. Strip enchantment of course is used to strip whomever you want either your target or another for a quick 130 hp heal. Just rinse and repeat the process if the target isn't dead yet. The good thing about Mark of Rodgort is that they can't use Plague Touch to get rid of it, they get rid of the 4 second burn but not the Mark itself =). Another thing I wanted for this build was to waste a mesmers or necros remove enchantment spells cause you have none to remove. so make sure your monk doesn't put one on you. As a note I have found this build especially useful against monks, warriors and other ele's. Rangers tend to have an interupt skill with them at all times as to mesmers which makes a second shot of Mark of Rodgort tough at times. Necros if ready for you can also be tough since they are the masters of degen anyways.

Now for the weakness of this build...interupters that target you kill you of course. KD's are also annoying as heck. I originally uses an axe to stay close to the target so i could use Vampiric Touch but a wand is better since this way then won't know who to run from most of the time. Although an axe is funner though imo.