I thought about putting Primal Rage together with Dwarven Stab.
since PR only lasts 10 seconds and disables ur skills for 10 seconds it would seem pointless but now with DS primal rage can last 3-10 seconds longer allowing u to use skills with the effet of PR. Any ideas on what skills to put in and what weapon to use or if this would even be effective? Thanks
[skill]Primal Rage[/skill]
[skill]Dwarven Stability[/skill] --For 20...30 seconds, your Stances last 30...100% longer. If you activated this Skill while drunk, you cannot be knocked down.
War build: Primal Rage + Dwarven Stab.
Spike Stritter
itsvictor
It's still a waste of an elite slot imo.
Alex the Great
he's not calling it good, he;s commenting on the effects of the new pve only skills.
Racthoh
No IAS on a warrior is going to kill your DPS no matter what.
majikmajikmajik
well with PVE dps wont matter as much as having a good time...
jonnieboi05
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Originally Posted by majikmajikmajik
well with PVE dps wont matter as much as having a good time...
agreed. i don't use an IAS and i play warrior all the time. i am currently vanquishing my last continent for r6 koabd so i know first hand dps isn't a "must-have" in pve. with my build i use, i deal a consistant 60-70 dmg on my hits and even further to 110+ on critical hits. so... IAS isn't a 100% required buff.
for the record, i am NOT saying it's bad to have because it's not at all, i am simply stating it isn't required. ^^
for the record, i am NOT saying it's bad to have because it's not at all, i am simply stating it isn't required. ^^
Sab
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Originally Posted by majikmajikmajik
well with PVE dps wont matter as much as having a good time...
How are you having a good time when all of your skills are blacked out?
cellardweller
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
agreed. i don't use an IAS and i play warrior all the time. i am currently vanquishing my last continent for r6 koabd so i know first hand dps isn't a "must-have" in pve. with my build i use, i deal a consistant 60-70 dmg on my hits and even further to 110+ on critical hits. so... IAS isn't a 100% required buff.
for the record, i am NOT saying it's bad to have because it's not at all, i am simply stating it isn't required. ^^ Skills of any kind are not required in PvE which means "completion" is not a suitable measure of a skillbar's effectiveness. The fact is that any skill bar with an IAS (simulated or otherwise) is strictly superior than one without because it will increase your kill speed by 50%.
for the record, i am NOT saying it's bad to have because it's not at all, i am simply stating it isn't required. ^^ Skills of any kind are not required in PvE which means "completion" is not a suitable measure of a skillbar's effectiveness. The fact is that any skill bar with an IAS (simulated or otherwise) is strictly superior than one without because it will increase your kill speed by 50%.
jonnieboi05
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Originally Posted by cellardweller
Skills of any kind are not required in PvE which means "completion" is not a suitable measure of a skillbar's effectiveness. The fact is that any skill bar with an IAS (simulated or otherwise) is strictly superior than one without because it will increase your kill speed by 50%.
and that is why in my build i cause kd, allowing my nuker heroes to do their job. i can, quite effectively, kill just about any average hard mode boss within 4-5 seconds flat. as i said, IAS is NOT required.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by cellardweller
It shows nothing that you can beat PvE without an IAS besides that PvE is easy; the fact is there are few skills that can increase your overall effectiveness more than Flail/Frenzy, therefore it's a really silly idea not to bring one.
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and that is why in my build i cause kd, allowing my nuker heroes to do their job. i can, quite effectively, kill just about any average hard mode boss within 4-5 seconds flat. as i said, IAS is NOT required.
Cute. No skills whatsoever are 'required' to win, provided your AI team is kick-ass.
The fact remains though - generally speaking, builds with IAS > builds without - and I've yet to see a situation in PvE where my bar would be weaker with Flail instead of another skill.
Back to the OP - meh. No matter what you try and do, Primal Rage is a terribad skill, and builds trying to base themselves around such bad skills generally end up horribly weak. Flail and a good elite > trying to shoehorn Primal into a build, 'nuff said.
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Drunken master as an IAS if you really must do this.
DM also happens to be a stance The fact remains though - generally speaking, builds with IAS > builds without - and I've yet to see a situation in PvE where my bar would be weaker with Flail instead of another skill.
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Of course yeah... We can always start a new topic if the IAS is worth debating |
Originally Posted by Sab
How are you having a good time when all of your skills are blacked out?
Being a beautiful unique snowflake is fun
placebo overdose
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
agreed. i don't use an IAS and i play warrior all the time. i am currently vanquishing my last continent for r6 koabd so i know first hand dps isn't a "must-have" in pve. with my build i use, i deal a consistant 60-70 dmg on my hits and even further to 110+ on critical hits. so... IAS isn't a 100% required buff.
for the record, i am NOT saying it's bad to have because it's not at all, i am simply stating it isn't required. ^^ the difference is with an ias you are hitting for more or less damage but 50% more often so unless we are hitting 30-35(which with a max wep mastery should not happen) i believe you should bring an ias
Spike Stritter
though your convo. is interesting...its off topic.
Yes i understand with PR theres no IAS. but you guys arent talking about the build (if youd even call 2 skills a build xD) or giving suggestions. so lets end that here.
jonnieboi05
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
QFT.
...Cute. No skills whatsoever are 'required' to win, provided your AI team is kick-ass. so.... why would i need an IAS if my attack skills are already 3/4 activation time and i gain an instant 7 adrenal with rage of the ntouka? *ponders*
Dr Strangelove
Drunken master as an IAS if you really must do this.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Spike Stritter
Yes i understand with PR theres no IAS. but you guys arent talking about the build (if youd even call 2 skills a build xD) or giving suggestions. so lets end that here. |
Back to the OP - meh. No matter what you try and do, Primal Rage is a terribad skill, and builds trying to base themselves around such bad skills generally end up horribly weak. Flail and a good elite > trying to shoehorn Primal into a build, 'nuff said.
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
so.... why would i need an IAS if my attack skills are already 3/4 activation time and i gain an instant 7 adrenal with rage of the ntouka? *ponders*
Sorry for the probably double post...
From the damage numbers I'm seeing and the KD, I'm assuming you're weilding a hammer. 3/4 activation attacks is a simulated IAS that cellar mentioned. You are, in fact, using IAS
jonnieboi05
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Sorry for the probably double post...
From the damage numbers I'm seeing and the KD, I'm assuming you're weilding a hammer. 3/4 activation attacks is a simulated IAS that cellar mentioned. You are, in fact, using IAS
negative. an axe.edit: the skills activate 3/4. look for the skills. you can do it. :>
Crom The Pale
The skill is bad(Primal Rage), no matter if the effect is extended.
If you want higher chance of criticals then run "Go for the Eyes!", if you need extra armor pen then slap on the weapon skill "Sundering Weapon". This reminds me of old school Blackout wars 
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
so.... why would i need an IAS if my attack skills are already 3/4 activation time and i gain an instant 7 adrenal with rage of the ntouka? *ponders*
Because an IAS increases your damage output and adrenaline gain. It's not required, but it is very useful, and there's usually no reason not to have one.
Spike Stritter
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
The skill is bad(Primal Rage), no matter if the effect is extended.
If you want higher chance of criticals then run "Go for the Eyes!", if you need extra armor pen then slap on the weapon skill "Sundering Weapon". This reminds me of old school Blackout wars
I was just suggesting it to buff up the attacks-why 20/20 when u can have 20 always/ 40/20and go for the eyes mean w/p when PR means W/
blue.rellik
Well personally, as long as you realize you're running a terribaed build then run it. As long as you can distinguish it, after all running DSlash and slaughtering everything in sight does get boring eventually and it would be nice to try something unconventional
jonnieboi05
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Because an IAS increases your damage output and adrenaline gain. It's not required, but it is very useful, and there's usually no reason not to have one.
i am 'always' at max adrenaline after the 5 second recharge from RoN. i also have enraging charge in my build and it gives +4 adrenal. so, when skills are recharged i can get them back up instantly with ECN. after i pull off another combo, RoN is recharged and i can use the combo on my bar again, and when the combo is done, i use EC to give my bar max adrenal to pull it off yet AGAIN!. so... as you can see.. it's a neverending loop. i created my build i am solely 100% on 'never' giving it out-- EVER. why? well, my build is my own and i take GREAT pride in what i created and i in no way what so ever want to see it nerfed from some-1 posting it on pvx/wiki and furthermore everyone else using it. i've made builds that made it to "builds" page of wiki (before it was removed) and i've had hundreds, if not thousands, of people use my build.
having said all of this, my build is quite sound
Racthoh
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was just suggesting it to buff up the attacks-why 20/20 when u can have 20 always/ 40/20
Because you attack slow and all of your skills are blacked out for 10 seconds. You can't build up adrenaline to unload in the 10 seconds after with Dwarven Stability. Flail/Frenzy = 50% more damage on top of building adrenaline faster to unload attack skills with that wonderful +damage that ignores armour.
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Axel Zinfandel
Your only possible source of reliable IAS without completely skrewing up your bar is Weapon of Aggression's 25%. Even then, it's a pretty sketchy bar.
Primal Rage, it seems, slightly mimics Vow of Strength, but completely fails in doing so. Now if it disabled all attack skills, or provided 33 movement AND IAS, then I might see using it. Even then... I could live with it even if you added IAS and got rid of the AP, Increased movement, and skill blackout :/ odly
The only thing that would benefit from Primal Rage is swinging a scythe for the critical hits. Add Aura of Holy might to that too and you might get some nice damage.
Most other dervish enchantments last 20 sec so they might also be interesting for buffs that last as long as Primal Rage would. I don't like the idea of disabling my skills though. Maybe timing it so that Eternal aura runs out right after activating Primal Rage could get arround that ?
[DE]
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
i am 'always' at max adrenaline after the 5 second recharge from RoN. i also have enraging charge in my build and it gives +4 adrenal. so, when skills are recharged i can get them back up instantly with ECN. after i pull off another combo, RoN is recharged and i can use the combo on my bar again, and when the combo is done, i use EC to give my bar max adrenal to pull it off yet AGAIN!. so... as you can see.. it's a neverending loop. i created my build i am solely 100% on 'never' giving it out-- EVER. why? well, my build is my own and i take GREAT pride in what i created and i in no way what so ever want to see it nerfed from some-1 posting it on pvx/wiki and furthermore everyone else using it. i've made builds that made it to "builds" page of wiki (before it was removed) and i've had hundreds, if not thousands, of people use my build.
having said all of this, my build is quite sound
Or you could run the D-slash Brawling Steelfang combo and output twice as much DPS as your super secret build; and be able to consistently pump out SY.
jonnieboi05
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Originally Posted by The Phantom
Or you could run the D-slash Brawling Steelfang combo and output twice as much DPS as your super secret build; and be able to consistently pump out SY.
why would i want save yourselves in my build? that would be a complete waste of a skill. why? well, to be able to completely wipe out anything that i aggro within 8-10 seconds, they don't exactly have no where near enough time to even get close to killing anyone in my party.
anyways, enough of this rubble. i have work in the morning and i am due for my sweet bed. me being able to wipe anything out i want in GW in extremely good time and flawlessly do it is enough for me. i have done my work (hence the 28 maxed titles and only needing to finish vanq'ing elona to get 30) and it's been a smooth ride the entire way... so, i need to change absolutely nothing in my build.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
DM also happens to be a stance
Oops. Um, then 8 dead pets and IWAY. It can't fail.
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
why would i want save yourselves in my build? that would be a complete waste of a skill. why? well, to be able to completely wipe out anything that i aggro within 8-10 seconds, they don't exactly have no where near enough time to even get close to killing anyone in my party.
anyways, enough of this rubble. i have work in the morning and i am due for my sweet bed. me being able to wipe anything out i want in GW in extremely good time and flawlessly do it is enough for me. i have done my work (hence the 28 maxed titles and only needing to finish vanq'ing elona to get 30) and it's been a smooth ride the entire way... so, i need to change absolutely nothing in my build. Please leave the warrior forum and never return
angmar_nite
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
why would i want save yourselves in my build?
Why do you win PVE that muuchh???
And your obviously bsing like hell. There are shitloads of HM bosses you cant down in 5 seconds such as Willa the unpleasant without a huge specially designed hero + you spike. And your RoN and EC build has far less damage than Dragon slash even without IAS. And your builds pretty damn obvious now. FGJ, RoN, EC, Sword chain/axe chain blah blah blah.
[DE]
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
why would i want save yourselves in my build? that would be a complete waste of a skill. why? well, to be able to completely wipe out anything that i aggro within 8-10 seconds, they don't exactly have no where near enough time to even get close to killing anyone in my party.
anyways, enough of this rubble. i have work in the morning and i am due for my sweet bed. me being able to wipe anything out i want in GW in extremely good time and flawlessly do it is enough for me. i have done my work (hence the 28 maxed titles and only needing to finish vanq'ing elona to get 30) and it's been a smooth ride the entire way... so, i need to change absolutely nothing in my build. You must own Mallyx in HM than. Clearly you are the best warrior in the game with your super secret build! /jealous
Magikarp
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Originally Posted by angmar_nite
Why do you win PVE that muuchh???
And your obviously bsing like hell. There are shitloads of HM bosses you cant down in 5 seconds such as Willa the unpleasant without a huge specially designed hero + you spike. And your RoN and EC build has far less damage than Dragon slash even without IAS. And your builds pretty damn obvious now. FGJ, RoN, EC, Sword chain/axe chain blah blah blah. willa has never been hard for me personally, and while i support creativity and independance from the norm, and IAS is generally the most accepted basic standard of warrior gameplay. im not bashing anyone, but more or less coming on here to do what the moderators seemingly never do, and thats to tell you all to settle down. let Jonnie play her way, you all play your way. i use my own specialized pve hero build, and i shred most groups like tissue, 5-10 seconds max (i use the same build on my sin+hero build), and its no secret (im sure others use it too). but thats me. i enjoy the game, enjoy my heroes, enjoy my builds. how about you all do the same.
mrmango
When you post something on these forums, it's bound to get critiqued, and that's not a bad thing. not at all. good discussion to teach people who to play.
Spike Stritter
Back to the build.
So give up all hope in it? or any suggestions for it? ( no smart a**es please, i dont know if you can swear on here or not xD)
mrmango
Yea give up, Primal Rage hurts you more than it helps. It's bad even if it was a normal skill.
cellardweller
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Originally Posted by Spike Stritter
Back to the build.
So give up all hope in it? or any suggestions for it? ( no smart a**es please, i dont know if you can swear on here or not xD) Its going to be a subpar build, but that doesn't mean you can't use it... heck, if you're ok with running subpar builds, you could go all out and pick up a shortbow: [skill]Primal Rage[/skill] Dwarven Stablilty [skill]keen arrow[/skill], [skill]disrupting accuracy[/skill] [skill]signet of strength[/skill] I am the strongest! Ebon battle standard of whatever tickles your fancy [skill]resurrection signet[/skill] 
blue.rellik
Drunken Master + Beer + Dwarven Stability if you want to use Primal Rage
cellardweller
drunken master is a stance unfortunately
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by cellardweller
drunken master is a stance unfortunately
Oh snap!
masta_yoda
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
i am 'always' at max adrenaline after the 5 second recharge from RoN. i also have enraging charge in my build and it gives +4 adrenal. so, when skills are recharged i can get them back up instantly with ECN. after i pull off another combo, RoN is recharged and i can use the combo on my bar again, and when the combo is done, i use EC to give my bar max adrenal to pull it off yet AGAIN!. so... as you can see.. it's a neverending loop. i created my build i am solely 100% on 'never' giving it out-- EVER. why? well, my build is my own and i take GREAT pride in what i created and i in no way what so ever want to see it nerfed from some-1 posting it on pvx/wiki and furthermore everyone else using it. i've made builds that made it to "builds" page of wiki (before it was removed) and i've had hundreds, if not thousands, of people use my build.
having said all of this, my build is quite sound
ur build sounds bad
Adam of Tyria
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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05
i am 'always' at max adrenaline after the 5 second recharge from RoN. i also have enraging charge in my build and it gives +4 adrenal. so, when skills are recharged i can get them back up instantly with ECN. after i pull off another combo, RoN is recharged and i can use the combo on my bar again, and when the combo is done, i use EC to give my bar max adrenal to pull it off yet AGAIN!. so... as you can see.. it's a neverending loop. i created my build i am solely 100% on 'never' giving it out-- EVER. why? well, my build is my own and i take GREAT pride in what i created and i in no way what so ever want to see it nerfed from some-1 posting it on pvx/wiki and furthermore everyone else using it. i've made builds that made it to "builds" page of wiki (before it was removed) and i've had hundreds, if not thousands, of people use my build.
having said all of this, my build is quite sound
I'm not impressed.Group - "Can you ping your build?" You - "No, its too good I don't want anyone else to see it!" Usually ends in a /kick or you using crap skills without letting anyone else have constructive criticism. And btw, you having r6 KoABD certainly DOES NOT make you an amazing war. It just means you love to spend hours of your life grinding. Requiring no skill whatsoever. |
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